Giuseppe 'The Savior' Rossi - ST - Villareal (28 Viewers)

[Cirillo]

i think the reality is Rossi is quality and most honest people can objectively see that

Quality yes, More quality than what we already have - Maybe but it's questionable, Will he make the squad as a whole jump in quality - Probably not.

In a season where we have no Europe and probably going to play reserves in cup games do we need a player that is only marginally better than what we have? Lets be honest, this is not a season where depth is as critical as seasons when you're competing for the Champions League therefore Rossi is a luxury that is simply not required. Aguero is different because he is a quality SS that could take the team to the next level therefore he is required (IMO). If we can't sign Aguero then personally i'd prefer to sign a quality LW and maybe CB and let Matri and Quags play together and use DP and our plethora of mediocre forwards (DP is not mediocre!) deputize when required.

 

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[Alen]

Rossi is a player you'd love to have in a team that has Zlatan, Trez and Del Piero. Just like Mutu was the player we loved to have alongside that trio.
We're vastly overrating Rossi if we think that he's the player who will be the main star of a successful team. And you simply don't pay 30m eur for players who can;t be big stars in successful teams.

Well, unless you're Manchester City. They'd pay 30m eur for a janitor.

 

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i think the reality is Rossi is quality and most honest people can objectively see that

 

[Vinny Del Pogba]

something along the lines of Lppis saying that Rossi was his only mistake for the WC'10 squad - when he disregarded other players like Balotelli - hence his opinion on Rossi being a champ is crap

if i remember correctly Super Mario hadn't played much leading up to SA.

 

[acmilan]

Lol, no.

I meant that when some guy directly says that Rossi was the only mistake and with that he indirectly says that not taking Cassano and Balotelli to SA wasn't a mistake, I think he is lying and makes what he says meaningless.

maybe, but don't you think it's rather speculative to apply the above to Lippi's case (what he said about Rossi) and 'conveniently choose' not to do so with Moggi's words ... seems to me there is a bit too much 'personal opinion' driven speculation mixed in here to make-up for a solid argument.

what I am saying is that you grossly generalized in Lippi's case and made his opinion on Rossi seem untrustworthy based on mistakes he, supposedly, made in the past.

Yet, now, despite the Scheloto debacle, you somehow deem Moggi's opinion on Rossi "trustworthy" ... kind of seems to me you guys choose to trust someone's words based on whether it suits your personal opinion on the Aguero=greatness, Rossi=Grossi matter or not.

This being said, I also think Aguero is the better player (although not 45 mil good) and would want my team to sign him over Rossi but still ... you know, in the interest of fairness and level playing field, more objectivity wouldn't hurt

Lippi actually WAS wrong not to take Rossi to South Africa and prefer Iaquinta to him.

Considering hindsight provides us with 20/20 vision, I agree

 

[Trequartista]

Rossi is a player you'd love to have in a team that has Zlatan, Trez and Del Piero. Just like Mutu was the player we loved to have alongside that trio.
We're vastly overrating Rossi if we think that he's the player who will be the main star of a successful team. And you simply don't pay 30m eur for players who can;t be big stars in successful teams.

Well, unless you're Manchester City. They'd pay 30m eur for a janitor.

I completely agree.

Paying for 30M for Rossi to bench Quag who is marginally inferior would be madness and completely pointless.

We rather need to invest in a quality LW and CB.

 

[Vinny Del Pogba]

Rossi is a player you'd love to have in a team that has Zlatan, Trez and Del Piero. Just like Mutu was the player we loved to have alongside that trio.
We're vastly overrating Rossi if we think that he's the player who will be the main star of a successful team. And you simply don't pay 30m eur for players who can;t be big stars in successful teams.

Well, unless you're Manchester City. They'd pay 30m eur for a janitor.

This is nothing but baseless speculation. But you are, of course, entitled to your opinion.

 

[Alen]

maybe, but don't you think it's rather speculative to apply the above to Lippi's case (what he said about Rossi) and 'conveniently choose' not to do so with Moggi's words ... seems to me there is a bit too much 'personal opinion' driven speculation mixed in here to make-up for a solid argument.

what I am saying is that you grossly generalized in Lippi's case and made his opinion on Rossi seem untrustworthy based on mistakes he, supposedly, made in the past.

Yet, now, despite the Scheloto debacle, you somehow deem Moggi's opinion on Rossi "trustworthy" ... kind of seems to me you guys choose to trust someone's words based on whether it suits your personal opinion on the Aguero=greatness, Rossi=Grossi matter or not.

This being said, I also think Aguero is the better player (although not 45 mil good) and would want my team to sign him over Rossi but still ... you know, in the interest of fairness and level playing field, more objectivity wouldn't hurt

Dude, I don't trust a single thing Moggi says.

There is a difference between trusting and agreeing. I simply happen to agree with Moggi that Rossi is a good player who won't make Juve jump in quality. Just like I agree with Lippi that Rossi should have been taken to SA but I don't trust him when he says that Rossi is the only player he regrets not taking to SA.

 

[Fellas]

Rossi is a player you'd love to have in a team that has Zlatan, Trez and Del Piero. Just like Mutu was the player we loved to have alongside that trio.
We're vastly overrating Rossi if we think that he's the player who will be the main star of a successful team. And you simply don't pay 30m eur for players who can;t be big stars in successful teams.

Well, unless you're Manchester City. They'd pay 30m eur for a janitor.

Good point, I agree about that. We need players like you mentioned who can be our big star. Rossi isent that player yet and maby never will be. But the market is hard, it's hard for us to get players like Tevez,Neymar,Aguero even when they are avaible .

So probably we must find them before they become stars. Time to buy some supertalents like Piazon

 

[Alen]

This is nothing but baseless speculation. But you are, of course, entitled to your opinion.

The only baseless speculation there was saying that City would pay 30m eur for a janitor. Saying that Rossi can not be a star of a successful team, worth 30m eur....I don't think it's baseless at all. My base is watching football for a long time and watching all kinds of players. Surprises happen but it will be a huge one if Rossi proves me wrong and leads a team to huge success, being the team's main star.

 

[Cirillo]

Rossi is a player you'd love to have in a team that has Zlatan, Trez and Del Piero. Just like Mutu was the player we loved to have alongside that trio.
We're vastly overrating Rossi if we think that he's the player who will be the main star of a successful team. And you simply don't pay 30m eur for players who can;t be big stars in successful teams.

Well, unless you're Manchester City. They'd pay 30m eur for a janitor.

Where can i sign up!

 

[AndreaCristiano]

maybe, but don't you think it's rather speculative to apply the above to Lippi's case (what he said about Rossi) and 'conveniently choose' not to do so with Moggi's words ... seems to me there is a bit too much 'personal opinion' driven speculation mixed in here to make-up for a solid argument.

what I am saying is that you grossly generalized in Lippi's case and made his opinion on Rossi seem untrustworthy based on mistakes he, supposedly, made in the past.

Yet, now, despite the Scheloto debacle, you somehow deem Moggi's opinion on Rossi "trustworthy" ... kind of seems to me you guys choose to trust someone's words based on whether it suits your personal opinion on the Aguero=greatness, Rossi=Grossi matter or not.

This being said, I also think Aguero is the better player (although not 45 mil good) and would want my team to sign him over Rossi but still ... you know, in the interest of fairness and level playing field, more objectivity wouldn't hurt



Considering hindsight provides us with 20/20 vision, I agree

I seem to agree constantly with this Acmilan fan/man lol

 

[Hist]

How many goals do you expect of rossi next season? and how much does he need to score to be classified as a great purchase?
Thats a general question not to anyone is specific.

 

[Cirillo]

How many goals do you expect of rossi next season? and how much does he need to score to be classified as a great purchase?
Thats a general question not to anyone is specific.

If we signed Rossi and he scored 20+ goals that would be great, but i think if you purchase the right midfield a quag/matri forward combo would score as much as and combo with rossi in it

 

[Alen]

How many goals do you expect of rossi next season? and how much does he need to score to be classified as a great purchase?

I won't necessarily use goals to classify him as a great or awful purchase.
14 goals a season don't seem too much for a 30m eur player, but that's exactly how much Zlatan scored last year and he had an excellent season. And I won't take one single season to call him a success or not (well, unless it's a season where he scores only 2 goals or scores +25 goals).
It's gonna be about the way he plays, his influence on the pitch and on the opponents, his goals, his assists, his performances in big/important matches etc.

 

[acmilan]

Dude, I don't trust a single thing Moggi says.

feel free to substitute this in my previous post, but the main point would still remain

There is a difference between trusting and agreeing. I simply happen to agree with Moggi that Rossi is a good player who won't make Juve jump in quality. Just like I agree with Lippi that Rossi should have been taken to SA but I don't trust him when he says that Rossi is the only player he regrets not taking to SA.

that's perfectly fine, it's your opinion, after all ... but my point is this - how do you logically support that opinion/choice other than, more or less, blindly going with what suits your personal views ... that is, how do you properly justify branding Lippi's opinion as untrustworthy, as opposed to Moggi's, on the Rossi matter.

P.S. I am not saying that you don't have the right of an opinion but having an opinion is not the same as having a logically-sound point.

 

[Alen]

that is, how do you properly justify branding Lippi's opinion as untrustworthy, as opposed to Moggi's, on the Rossi matter.

To make it more clear, the question should actually be: "How do I properly justify branding Lippi's opinion that Cassano shouldn't have been taken to SA as untrustworthy, as opposed to Moggi's opinion that Rossi would be a good addition to Juve, but not a player who'll lift the team to the next level?"

Right?

 

[Lion]

i don't believe this 30m rumors at all. if we have that much money, we should put it all on a good winger, which is what this team needs.

 

[Trequartista]

i don't believe this 30m rumors at all. if we have that much money, we should put it all on a good winger, which is what this team needs.

Exactly.

 

[Joe]

20M cash + 8M bonuses doesn't sound to bad. hopefully we'll end up paying around 25M.

It would be nice to find a world-class LW for 25M, but there isn't any that are available to us.