Giuseppe Marotta (138 Viewers)

[JuveJay]

I think too much for our own good. I honestly don't think Lemina and Sandro were planned for. Nor was Coman's sale and Cuadrados last minute acquisition. We seemingly panicked a bit after the Vidal sale, and I'm pretty sure that affected our movement thereafter. It's incredible how smooth the first half of the mercato went and simply imploded thereafter. Amazing really, how it turned into what it did. First we buy Zaza for 18m and then try to palm him off, wouldn't strike me as a team with a plan or set vision in place. We tried to overcompensate in my view for losing out on our preferred AM.

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That's because, like I said, we are almost moving in one manner as far as the mercato goes, irrespective of how we are growing and evolving as a team. When you're coming off two 7th place seasons, you can surely go about and look for a opportunities, but when you've won 4 scudetti and made it to the CL final, you need to change tracks and be more decisive, but we have Hernanes to show for that level of success. Surely tells you something about our mentality and approach as a club.

I don't think you randomly buy some French kid. In fact I know it, he was a Paratici move, it's been spoken about. We've been after a left back for a long time and had Siqueira lined up so that's no great surprise. Look I don't want to start guessing about personnel or who we wanted, it's the manner of what we did this summer which has caused the problems. Some things were a little out of our hands with Tevez, Vidal is a different issue, and Pirlo was time, but instead of going for a the short-mid term option we went into a full-FM mode and decided to try to build a dynasty in one summer. Then kind of stopped half way through and went back to modest moves. It's an odd one, and maybe in a year or two we'll look at the team and think "yeah actually this is the basis of a strong squad and has years in it to become really good" but with Juve you can't have a drastic period of settling in, especially not off the back of 4 scudetti.

 

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[baggio]

Marotta clearly fucked up, especially in the way you are saying, but now the onus is on Allegri to find a combination that works, and he's just proving utterly inept in that regard. He tinkers too often and too much. We had those very good couple games before the international break, with Morata-Dybala up front, and what does Allegri do after the break? Doesn't play them again together for the next 3 matches... He needs to pick a formation, pick a starting line-up, and go with it for a run of games. Not 1-2 and then switch again. But a good run of 6-7 games to give the players some continuity. Go 4-3-1-2. Pereyra when he gets back and is healthy, but for now, try Cuadrado as the CAM, or use Pogba there, like a few games ago. Just move back to that formation, and stop fucking tinkering with things, especially with so many new players needing organization and structure in order to integrate into a new squad. Allegri has made things far more chaotic than necessary.

Look, I'm not denying he has a hand in this, but he is not the root of the problem. This team has simply not spent enough time together from preseason in my view to understand each other, the injuries haven't helped, and Allegri has not made his work easier by behaving like Ranieri. Saying it again though, this mercato did not play to his strengths. He is a tactician more than a man manager but he's having to use a skill set that's not his best attribute because of the summer that was. Also, I feel he's not a strong enough figurehead to help integrate a mentality on a team which makes his job as coach even harder, unfortunately. But that said, I don't think sacking him is the solution at this point, I simply don't trust Marrotta and co. as things stand today.

 

[Post Ironic]

Look, I'm not denying he has a hand in this, but he is not the root of the problem. This team has simply not spent enough time together from preseason in my view to understand each other, the injuries haven't helped, and Allegri has not made his work easier by behaving like Ranieri. Saying it again though, this mercato did not play to his strengths. He is a tactician more than a man manager but he's having to use a skill set that's not his best attribute because of the summer that was. Also, I feel he's not a strong enough figurehead to help integrate a mentality on a team which makes his job as coach even harder, unfortunately. But that said, I don't think sacking him is the solution at this point, I simply don't trust Marrotta and co. as things stand today.

I want Marotta fired in the spring, if we don't qualify for next year's CL. Plain and simple. But come winter break, if we are still in 10th place, Allegri has to go. Yes, Marotta is the root of the problem, but as you just stated, Allegri is not suited for team-building. He needs an already organized team without major changes happening in the mercatos. Seeing as we haven't given him this, if he can't figure out how to build this squad, we need a much more Conte-like coach to install discipline and structure.

 

[baggio]

I don't think you randomly buy some French kid. In fact I know it, he was a Paratici move, it's been spoken about. We've been after a left back for a long time and had Siqueira lined up so that's no great surprise. Look I don't want to start guessing about personnel or who we wanted, it's the manner of what we did this summer which has caused the problems. Some things were a little out of our hands with Tevez, Vidal is a different issue, and Pirlo was time, but instead of going for a the short-mid term option we went into a full-FM mode and decided to try to build a dynasty in one summer. Then kind of stopped half way through and went back to modest moves. It's an odd one, and maybe in a year or two we'll look at the team and think "yeah actually this is the basis of a strong squad and has years in it to become really good" but with Juve you can't have a drastic period of settling in, especially not off the back of 4 scudetti.

It was a Paratici move after we played Marseille in preseason and after Khedira and Marchisio were seemingly out of action for a couple of months. More circumstantial in my view, especially since it came right at the death. If it was planned, it would've perhaps happened sooner and wouldn't have been a loan with an option, more like a possible, see how it goes type. Yea maybe talking about personnel we wanted or not is a tangent, but I don't deny that even with Soqueira we were all but done on that move before abandoning him for Sandro, maybe more along the lines of, we've lost our preferred AMs, gives us a bit more budget for the Lb.

I am all for a renewed period for the team, but again, our intention of taking a step back this year, to take two steps forward was simply not executed to plan in my view, and the results show on the pitch and place us precariously the next couple of seasons, with a high likelihood of losing the players we wanted to build a future with.

 

[Salvo]

I don't think you randomly buy some French kid. In fact I know it, he was a Paratici move, it's been spoken about. We've been after a left back for a long time and had Siqueira lined up so that's no great surprise. Look I don't want to start guessing about personnel or who we wanted, it's the manner of what we did this summer which has caused the problems. Some things were a little out of our hands with Tevez, Vidal is a different issue, and Pirlo was time, but instead of going for a the short-mid term option we went into a full-FM mode and decided to try to build a dynasty in one summer. Then kind of stopped half way through and went back to modest moves. It's an odd one, and maybe in a year or two we'll look at the team and think "yeah actually this is the basis of a strong squad and has years in it to become really good" but with Juve you can't have a drastic period of settling in, especially not off the back of 4 scudetti.

 

[baggio]

I want Marotta fired in the spring, if we don't qualify for next year's CL. Plain and simple. But come winter break, if we are still in 10th place, Allegri has to go. Yes, Marotta is the root of the problem, but as you just stated, Allegri is not suited for team-building. He needs an already organized team without major changes happening in the mercatos. Seeing as we haven't given him this, if he can't figure out how to build this squad, we need a much more Conte-like coach to install discipline and structure.

Fair enough, but you do realise, Conte is possibly the man that owns that category 'man manager coach' which means we will end up with an imitation in the like of Montella, when we will try to repeat the Conte formula. And as for Marrotta going, don't think Agnelli has the vision or foresight to trigger that move. He seems like too insecure a guy, to work with people other than who he is comfy with.

 

[oldlady87]

He just bought random players without consulting the coach on which players in what positions were needed.

There really isn't a set formation that the team can play 3-5-2 is all we have unless Pereyra starts and we play a 4-3-1-2 which would be our best chance of getting some consistency.

Marotta is a typical Italian GM. He buys players and thinks he knows football better than the coaches. That's the reason we can't come up with long-term solutions. Either the coach will leave(Conte) or he gets fired. Just look at Galliani, Zamparini etc. they sell their best players and buy average ones and expect miracles.

 

[DUKAC]

I want Marotta fired in the spring, if we don't qualify for next year's CL. Plain and simple. But come winter break, if we are still in 10th place, Allegri has to go. Yes, Marotta is the root of the problem, but as you just stated, Allegri is not suited for team-building. He needs an already organized team without major changes happening in the mercatos. Seeing as we haven't given him this, if he can't figure out how to build this squad, we need a much more Conte-like coach to install discipline and structure.

No.we can't fire Marotta because he is" God" and is impossible to replace someone who is irreplacable because of his ultimate mentioned status.
Then it's strange how our expectations faded from the first expectations that we are champions even if we don't enter the pitch just because we are Juve,then slightly,slightly our aim was 3-d place ,now confession that we won't be better than Ranieri/DelNeri days.What a transformation.
Marotta doesn't have anything with all this .He is immaculate and all his moves.

 

[Post Ironic]

Fair enough, but you do realise, Conte is possibly the man that owns that category 'man manager coach' which means we will end up with an imitation in the like of Montella, when we will try to repeat the Conte formula. And as for Marrotta going, don't think Agnelli has the vision or foresight to trigger that move. He seems like too insecure a guy, to work with people other than who he is comfy with.

I understand, I just don't know what else we should do if Allegri continues to fail to bring this squad together and gain results. At some point a change becomes necessary, or we fall apart completely.

 

[baggio]

I understand, I just don't know what else we should do if Allegri continues to fail to bring this squad together and gain results. At some point a change becomes necessary, or we fall apart completely.

Ancellotti would be a stellar move, but we won't be able to sell the club to him. He's too big for us. Even with the CL final. It'll probably be Montella, Spalletti, Prandelli or Mazzarri if we know our management. Guys who will be yes men and keep Agnelli and Marrotta in control without threatening to make Juve bigger because that would mean working out of their comfort zone in terms of profile and finances. The Ranieris of management.

 

[j0ker]

Ancellotti would be a stellar move, but we won't be able to sell the club to him. He's too big for us. Even with the CL final. It'll probably be Montella, Spalletti, Prandelli or Mazzarri if we know our management. Guys who will be yes men and keep Agnelli and Marrotta in control without threatening to make Juve bigger because that would mean working out of their comfort zone in terms of profile and finances. The Ranieris of management.

You seem to know Agnelli personaly.

Tell us more, please.

 

[Nejc]

And most probably you don't know why.

Mostly because he brought him to Juve in the first place.

 

[Vlad]

And most probably you don't know why.

I read it made positive impact on our books (lower costs of amortization) due to extending his contract for one more year.

 

[Klin]

I read it made positive impact on our books (lower costs of amortization) due to extending his contract for one more year.

Master move.

 

[Vlad]

Marotta and co clearly fucked up, not one person can deny it.

But still, Allegri should have done much, much better.

FFS even our bench players are better than some of the teams we dropped points to.

Udinese, Frosinone and Chievo were encounters that we should have won even if our bench players started these games. But the schedule was also wierd one this term, playing Roma in the 2nd round, away to Napoli, away to Inter in the first 8 rounds. 3 derbies away in the opening of the season.

 

[Klin]

]Udinese, Frosinone and Chievo were encounters that we should have won even if our bench players started these games.[/B] But the schedule was also wierd one this term, playing Roma in the 2nd round, away to Napoli, away to Inter in the first 8 rounds. 3 derbies away in the opening of the season.

If football was played on paper, yes. Real Madrid would have smashed us last season in the SF too.

 

[Post Ironic]

Udinese, Frosinone and Chievo were encounters that we should have won even if our bench players started these games. But the schedule was also wierd one this term, playing Roma in the 2nd round, away to Napoli, away to Inter in the first 8 rounds. 3 derbies away in the opening of the season.

So full of excuses for the horror show this season.

 

[campionesidd]

So full of excuses for the horror show this season.

I agree partly, tough fixtures or not, we're Juve and should aim for a win every game. We had 28 points from the corresponding 11 fixtures last season, and also 28 points from the first 11 games.
However, after the horrible results in the first three games, we've improved quite a bit and got 14 points in 8 games. (not great, but not too bad either).

 

[Vlad]

If football was played on paper, yes. Real Madrid would have smashed us last season in the SF too.

Actually no. We had better team that Real last season.

 

[Post Ironic]

Not on paper. Not even close.