baggio

Senior Member
Jun 3, 2003
19,250
He fucked up, but I am willing to give him another chance after all the work he has done in the previous seasons.
The problems are the same. He simply hasn't upped his game over these seasons. If anything he regressed in the last seasons by repeating the formula of opportunities while the team was growing at a healthy rate. Truly big teams, or at least big team mindsets work with a plan. We didn't have any after selling Vidal, and you can see the utter confusion in the personnel on this team, being adapted to be fit into everry tinkered line up. And if any one in their right mind thought Allegri was OK sacrificing Vidal for Hernanes, they're deluded.
 

Boksic

Senior Member
May 11, 2005
14,302
He $#@!ed up, but I am willing to give him another chance after all the work he has done in the previous seasons.
Of course, he is proven at taking mediocre teams and making them better. Maybe that is what he trying to do to us, but first had to bring the standard down.
 
Mar 10, 2009
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The problems are the same. He simply hasn't upped his game over these seasons. If anything he regressed in the last seasons by repeating the formula of opportunities while the team was growing at a healthy rate. Truly big teams, or at least big team mindsets work with a plan. We didn't have any after selling Vidal, and you can see the utter confusion in the personnel on this team, being adapted to be fit into everry tinkered line up. And if any one in their right mind thought Allegri was OK sacrificing Vidal for Hernanes, they're deluded.
he did well getiing Moratta last year and tevez in the other

it's just this season he messed up big time. He did pull of a Belscuni and Gallini at us
 

JCK

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JCK
May 11, 2004
125,382
If we make the second round we have the January transfer to do more fine tuning to the team. I trust Marotta totally to do amazing business just like he did in the summer to take this team to the glory. What a man! What a hero! What a manager! Example to all club directors.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
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marotta is a major idiot for all the stupidity he did in the mercato..

since allegrui is a derp yes man and didnt had a say in the mercato...ALL OF THIS ON MAROTTA
 

baggio

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Jun 3, 2003
19,250
he did well getiing Moratta last year and tevez in the other

it's just this season he messed up big time. He did pull of a Belscuni and Gallini at us
It's those two names that stand out, but over the course of the tenure, you'll notice it's always or largely been about opportunities. Tevez and Morata included. There's always a flip side to moving like that in the market. The Tevez saga, and we don't even know if Morata is going to be here next season. Really we could argue that those two bought us a couple of years to loan at the top, and give us time to increase our turnover, at which time we'd up the ante on more permanent targets, but that will never happen when you sell your only other world class players and fail in your other plan A targets and end up with Hernanes. Every year. RvP, Ageuro, Pastore, Sanchez, Draxler etc. etc. We honestly will never grow into the so called projected Juventus if we build a team the way we do, on the foundation of variables that come with 'market opportunities.'
 

j0ker

Capo di tutti capi
Jan 5, 2006
22,892
marotta is a major idiot for all the stupidity he did in the mercato..

since allegrui is a derp yes man and didnt had a say in the mercato...ALL OF THIS ON MAROTTA
OH YES ALL OF THIS IS ON MAROTTA

Have you seen some of the teams we failed to beat mercatos?

Amazing bussiness they did.

We need at least 4 more WC players if we want to beat Fronsinone and Sassuolo.

Not Allegris fault at all, the man has a terrible team at his disposal, it will be a miracle if we survive relegation
 

baggio

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Jun 3, 2003
19,250
marotta is a major idiot for all the stupidity he did in the mercato..

since allegrui is a derp yes man and didnt had a say in the mercato...ALL OF THIS ON MAROTTA
Do you think Marrotta would have the balls to sell Vidal if Conte was here? Would Agnelli have the balls to hire Ancellotti? Nope they wouldn't. They'd always want the potential, so that they don't lose control of the project. Allegri is being treated exactly the same way he was at Milan, and his ability to be a tactician would never be optimised because his first objective this term is to reintegrate a team, that he perhaps didn't want at his disposal in the first place. He's neither a man manager nor a magician. This one is squarely on the management, because I seriously doubt we would've had this kind of mercato under the likes of Ancellotti, Conte and even Mancini for that matter.
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
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OH YES ALL OF THIS IS ON MAROTTA

Have you seen some of the teams we failed to beat mercatos?

Amazing bussiness they did.

We need at least 4 more WC players if we want to beat Fronsinone and Sassuolo.

Not Allegris fault at all, the man has a terrible team at his disposal, it will be a miracle if we survive relegation
:tup:
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,382
OH YES ALL OF THIS IS ON MAROTTA

Have you seen some of the teams we failed to beat mercatos?

Amazing bussiness they did.

We need at least 4 more WC players if we want to beat Fronsinone and Sassuolo.

Not Allegris fault at all, the man has a terrible team at his disposal, it will be a miracle if we survive relegation
Marotta with two moves in January can change a relegation struggler to a CL champion. BAM, the great man delivers.
 

PedroFlu

Senior Member
Sep 20, 2011
7,166
He just bought random players without consulting the coach on which players in what positions were needed.

There really isn't a set formation that the team can play 3-5-2 is all we have unless Pereyra starts and we play a 4-3-1-2 which would be our best chance of getting some consistency.
This.

Suddenly we have a lot of deadwood in the squad, something we didn't have before.

And he spent 80M net while doing what he did.

It's just absurd.
 

baggio

Senior Member
Jun 3, 2003
19,250
OH YES ALL OF THIS IS ON MAROTTA

Have you seen some of the teams we failed to beat mercatos?

Amazing bussiness they did.

We need at least 4 more WC players if we want to beat Fronsinone and Sassuolo.

Not Allegris fault at all, the man has a terrible team at his disposal, it will be a miracle if we survive relegation
There's a difference between terrible and random, I agree, but each have their own level of detrimental effects on where we are today. This team was not planned from the way I see it. And I think Allegri feels the same way. It's another thing, that he's as much to blame for being spineless and being treated the way he was at Milan.
 
Mar 10, 2009
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It's those two names that stand out, but over the course of the tenure, you'll notice it's always or largely been about opportunities. Tevez and Morata included. There's always a flip side to moving like that in the market. The Tevez saga, and we don't even know if Morata is going to be here next season. Really we could argue that those two bought us a couple of years to loan at the top, and give us time to increase our turnover, at which time we'd up the ante on more permanent targets, but that will never happen when you sell your only other world class players and fail in your other plan A targets and end up with Hernanes. Every year. RvP, Ageuro, Pastore, Sanchez, Draxler etc. etc. We honestly will never grow into the so called projected Juventus if we build a team the way we do, on the foundation of variables that come with 'market opportunities.'
Pogba, Vidal, Tevez, Marotta, Pirlo and Lichtsteiner

were all his signings, and he did all these with a modest budget.

Don't get me wrong, he messed up badly this summer, but give the man props that he deserves. He's probably the biggest reason why went out of our dark ages, only problem is that is all past. He's messed up badly this time, perhaps he simply didn't know how to manage large sums of revenue. I still think he deserves another chance, hopefully he'll learn from this fiasco.
 

JCK

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May 11, 2004
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WITHOUT THE ONLY FUCKING SIGNING THAT HE NEEDED TO MAKE FIRST UP.
Hernanes? Allegri was dying to get him, he was against Draxler, Götze, Isco, Oscar and all the others that Marotta was easily going to buy with the 65 M€ he could have gotten from Vidal. But since Allegri insisted on Hernanes and Marotta being a humble man, he decided to go easy on Bayern and sold them Vidal on a discount.
 

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