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Also, one can make 2 judgements.
The most subjective one is at the moment the operation is done, regarding the current context. The other is after the season, when you evaluate the actualy success of the operation. This one is more objective.
Greatest example is Isla. When he was signed, almost everybody liked it. The ideal RWB for Conte. Potentially world class at the position. Could play as an offensive winger, a rwb, rb and CM. Excellent, young, experienced in Serie A, breakthrough season with Udinese.
I agreed with the deal, and look how it turned out. I don't condemn Marotta on that, it looked good at that context. There's always risk in it.
Pereyra last year - I had seen him a couple times and he looked average, price was huge - around 16M overall. And look at it now. Marotta was spot on, the guy is worth more than that now and was fundamental in CL.
When a deal is made and you know the player, I can't help but to judge the operation for itself - regardless of the operator. So it's OK to criticise it when it looks good and vice versa. Can't see why people complain so much about this.
The benefit of doubt comes when you don't know the player. Today, if Marotta signs a guy I don't know - Sturaro for example - he definitely gets the benefit of the doubt.
But if he signs a guy you know, for a certain value, or sell one of the players - than there's no room for benefit of the doubt, because there's no doubt. You have your own assessment of the player regardless and the feeling of good expectation or frustration will necessarily come.
The most subjective one is at the moment the operation is done, regarding the current context. The other is after the season, when you evaluate the actualy success of the operation. This one is more objective.
Greatest example is Isla. When he was signed, almost everybody liked it. The ideal RWB for Conte. Potentially world class at the position. Could play as an offensive winger, a rwb, rb and CM. Excellent, young, experienced in Serie A, breakthrough season with Udinese.
I agreed with the deal, and look how it turned out. I don't condemn Marotta on that, it looked good at that context. There's always risk in it.
Pereyra last year - I had seen him a couple times and he looked average, price was huge - around 16M overall. And look at it now. Marotta was spot on, the guy is worth more than that now and was fundamental in CL.
When a deal is made and you know the player, I can't help but to judge the operation for itself - regardless of the operator. So it's OK to criticise it when it looks good and vice versa. Can't see why people complain so much about this.
The benefit of doubt comes when you don't know the player. Today, if Marotta signs a guy I don't know - Sturaro for example - he definitely gets the benefit of the doubt.
But if he signs a guy you know, for a certain value, or sell one of the players - than there's no room for benefit of the doubt, because there's no doubt. You have your own assessment of the player regardless and the feeling of good expectation or frustration will necessarily come.
You have a good point, even though we got good money last year from European competitions also, including gate receipts from reaching the EL semis. I've seen the numbers and they were close to what reaching CL quarter finals would be.
Another problem with this view is that we could simply renew the co-own last year, and buy his half this year.
But OK, I got it. We needed some money injection from Sassuolo last year to balance the books, and in exchange we paid a bit more for the guy, possibly also overpaying a bit now for lowering Berardi's next season signing.
Good. Deals were connected.
But then, it looks poor planning to me. I can't agree with the decision taken last season to sign the guy. This decision was made, this year or last year, and I don't like it, because it's money we lose to invest in primal positions (fullbacks, AM). If we needed cash last year - I'd better we lose rights on the guy, shop his half, get like 4M for it, and use it for another position player.
You see, if instead of paying 11.5M for him the last 2 seasons combined, we could instead sold his half for his actual value - let's say 4/5M - and use this 15/16M to bring in a brand new LB / RB - a starter, not the 4th striker. It's a matter of priority.
That's mainy why I don't like the deal.
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Definitely not me.
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Maybe it's a midterm.
Allegri requests a trequartista - Marotta evaluates and doesn't necessarily bring one at all costs. Allegri's view is not the point of reference.
But maybe every player Marotta is about to sign, Allegri has to give his approval.
So maybe Allegri has some kind of vetoe power, but can't indicate specifically which players should be brought.
Another problem with this view is that we could simply renew the co-own last year, and buy his half this year.
But OK, I got it. We needed some money injection from Sassuolo last year to balance the books, and in exchange we paid a bit more for the guy, possibly also overpaying a bit now for lowering Berardi's next season signing.
Good. Deals were connected.
But then, it looks poor planning to me. I can't agree with the decision taken last season to sign the guy. This decision was made, this year or last year, and I don't like it, because it's money we lose to invest in primal positions (fullbacks, AM). If we needed cash last year - I'd better we lose rights on the guy, shop his half, get like 4M for it, and use it for another position player.
You see, if instead of paying 11.5M for him the last 2 seasons combined, we could instead sold his half for his actual value - let's say 4/5M - and use this 15/16M to bring in a brand new LB / RB - a starter, not the 4th striker. It's a matter of priority.
That's mainy why I don't like the deal.
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people were complaining about Sturaro last summer 
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Interesting read from Allegri. See Bolded:
I think it's safe to say he & Marotta plan together without Marotta acting unilaterally.
I think it's safe to say he & Marotta plan together without Marotta acting unilaterally.
Allegri requests a trequartista - Marotta evaluates and doesn't necessarily bring one at all costs. Allegri's view is not the point of reference.
But maybe every player Marotta is about to sign, Allegri has to give his approval.
So maybe Allegri has some kind of vetoe power, but can't indicate specifically which players should be brought.
I'd like to think of it as alright, lets agree to a Plan A, Plan B & etc.
Example:
1.) Plan A is a AM that Allegri wants.
2.) Plan B (that Allegri agrees to) is if we fail to sign that AM then we reinforce other areas instead if no options are available (such as LB).
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Both tentatively agree and Marotta does his best to solve Plan A for Allegri and if it doesn't work Beppe already has a plan in place to at least satisfy another avenue for Allegri's goals, you know, like finding players with "certain characteristics" we keep hearing about.
I'd like to think of it as alright, lets agree to a Plan A, Plan B & etc.
Example:
1.) Plan A is a AM that Allegri wants.
2.) Plan B (that Allegri agrees to) is if we fail to sign that AM then we reinforce other areas instead if no options are available (such as LB).
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Both tentatively agree and Marotta does his best to solve Plan A for Allegri and if it doesn't work Beppe already has a plan in place to at least satisfy another avenue for Allegri's goals, you know, like finding players with "certain characteristics" we keep hearing about.
Difference may be that he'll go for what Allegri wants if there's an internal consent (Marotta + Paratici) on the guy I guess.
But not much difference, probably. It's as near as consensual as you get.
With time, if Allegri keeps on this winning track, maybe it will go more on the direction you posted.
it was our intention to buy Zaza right away. if we bought him last summer though, with our limited budget and all, not only would it have a negative effect on last years budget, but it would have also limited our spendings on other targets. this summers budget is much bigger, so paying 18M for him now with 7.5M received last summer, is a much better deal economically than paying 7.5M last summer. its a more complicated deal than just counting the overall payments, much more factors must been taken into account
I'd like to think of it as alright, lets agree to a Plan A, Plan B & etc.
Example:
1.) Plan A is a AM that Allegri wants.
2.) Plan B (that Allegri agrees to) is if we fail to sign that AM then we reinforce other areas instead if no options are available (such as LB).
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Both tentatively agree and Marotta does his best to solve Plan A for Allegri and if it doesn't work Beppe already has a plan in place to at least satisfy another avenue for Allegri's goals, you know, like finding players with "certain characteristics" we keep hearing about.
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Yeah, i was afraid it would be miss interpreted.
I'm not referring to your sister/monther.
Its purely the offer. As in "So heldt, for Draxler we'd like to offer 15mil and anal sex with your mother and sister".
Punctuation, i should use it more
Now, I just remembered last season renewing co-owns was forbidden. It would be the best course of action for Zaza.
If you think he was already planning to sub Llorente for Zaza, it gets almost perfect. Zaza, overall, is much cheaper than Llorente, less than half his salaries.
I think what disturbed the scenarium was Tevez. One year ago nobody thought the fucker would want to bail 1 year of his contract.
Tevez - Morata + Dybala - Zaza is perfect to me. Dybala would have time to develop, oriented by his Argentinian countryman, while Zaza would be good depth for Morata.
When Marotta decided to definitely hold on Zaza last season, this was the foreseeable scenarium. And it was great.
The problem is when Tevez decided to fuck it up. Then Marotta had to go for an experienced striker, no other option. All the other guys are too young. And in the mercato, if I can recall, no experienced SS with similar characteristics to Tevez was available. Mandzukic and Dzeko were the only feasible options, I believe.
The money that went to Mandzukic would probably be spent on an AM, and here we are.
So when I come to think about it, Marotta's plan (including selling Llorente this season, which will be a faillure if he can't), which included a definite purchase of Zaza this year, in an agreement with Sassuolo, is now unbalanced due to Tevez decision and having to sign a striker with a similar characterstic to Zaza. He indeed didn't have much choice there, he had to go for an experienced guy.
So indeed, maybe you are right and criticism for signing Zaza is unwarranted. One may not agree because of his talent level - I actually like the player, so can't disagree on him being a decent bet.
Now someone has to convince me about Vidal. But that's not happening lol. However Marotta still has 20 days to bring a guy to fill in for his boots.
If you think he was already planning to sub Llorente for Zaza, it gets almost perfect. Zaza, overall, is much cheaper than Llorente, less than half his salaries.
I think what disturbed the scenarium was Tevez. One year ago nobody thought the fucker would want to bail 1 year of his contract.
Tevez - Morata + Dybala - Zaza is perfect to me. Dybala would have time to develop, oriented by his Argentinian countryman, while Zaza would be good depth for Morata.
When Marotta decided to definitely hold on Zaza last season, this was the foreseeable scenarium. And it was great.
The problem is when Tevez decided to fuck it up. Then Marotta had to go for an experienced striker, no other option. All the other guys are too young. And in the mercato, if I can recall, no experienced SS with similar characteristics to Tevez was available. Mandzukic and Dzeko were the only feasible options, I believe.
The money that went to Mandzukic would probably be spent on an AM, and here we are.
So when I come to think about it, Marotta's plan (including selling Llorente this season, which will be a faillure if he can't), which included a definite purchase of Zaza this year, in an agreement with Sassuolo, is now unbalanced due to Tevez decision and having to sign a striker with a similar characterstic to Zaza. He indeed didn't have much choice there, he had to go for an experienced guy.
So indeed, maybe you are right and criticism for signing Zaza is unwarranted. One may not agree because of his talent level - I actually like the player, so can't disagree on him being a decent bet.
Now someone has to convince me about Vidal. But that's not happening lol. However Marotta still has 20 days to bring a guy to fill in for his boots.
we have money for an AM, i though we are past that "with Mandzukic/Zaza money, we could have afforded an AM" talk. we could afford that AM even now (or after we sell and depending what we receive on Isla and Llorente) , if there was one available. considering Draxler is the only/best one available, and we arent willing to overpay for him, this is what you get - no AM
