Giuseppe Marotta (42 Viewers)

[JCK]

Well if I listen to agnelli or moratta I do get the feeling that we don't consider us that big just yet. I guess we need to confirm that this year's Cl was no fluke. Which would 've been difficult enough with Vidal and tevez... I mean we were close to group stage elimination.

Yes but we improved our play drastically afterwards, you cannot deny that. And we should build on that.

If the assumption is as it goes that Vidal wants a new experience, my first question to him (as a Juve director) would be, what is it he is missing at Juve.

 

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[Hydde]

Yes but we improved our play drastically afterwards, you cannot deny that. And we should build on that.

If the assumption is as it goes that Vidal wants a new experience, my first question to him (as a Juve director) would be, what is it he is missing at Juve.

Good question. I think the obvious would be money. I guess

 

[JCK]

Good question. I think the obvious would be money. I guess

I am sure we can match the wages offered by Bayern.

 

[Emmet]

Yes but we improved our play drastically afterwards, you cannot deny that. And we should build on that.

If the assumption is as it goes that Vidal wants a new experience, my first question to him (as a Juve director) would be, what is it he is missing at Juve.

More money and he plays in a mickey mouse league that his team has dominated for 4 years and will likely dominate for several more, he probably wants a fresh challenge.

 

[mondo1]

Yes but we improved our play drastically afterwards, you cannot deny that. And we should build on that.

If the assumption is as it goes that Vidal wants a new experience, my first question to him (as a Juve director) would be, what is it he is missing at Juve.

Oh yes we did, by a big margin too. Well in the Vidal case I still guess bayern asked if he is available. Juve said yes and informed Vidal too, who also agreed to it. I guess we did not want to offer him a new contract for the next 5 years worth 6 mil. Juve wanted to rather cash in than extend his contract and Vidal wanted to earn more for a much longer time.

 

[LiquidPLP]

I am sure we can match the wages offered by Bayern.

We can but we probably didn't want to. The moment they got to know he wanted to leave was the moment they already realized how they'll bring in the requested #10 by Allegri. Max surely agreed to that and here we are; Vidal to Bayern and we're looking for a high profile #10.

 

[JCK]

Oh yes we did, by a big margin too. Well in the Vidal case I still guess bayern asked if he is available. Juve said yes and informed Vidal too, who also agreed to it. I guess we did not want to offer him a new contract for the next 5 years worth 6 mil. Juve wanted to rather cash in than extend his contract and Vidal wanted to earn more for a much longer time.

That is the most likely scenario which is why I am not buying that it was he who wanted a new experience.

 

[Hust]

Grinta is what we need for the Serie a IMO. And talent for the CL.



A number 10 can be Draxler or a Goetze. It is the quality of the 10 to be honest.



Sure, but that's never going to happen if the outgoing players are undersold and a level above the incoming ones. An outgoing Vidal needs replacing with a slightly more marquee prospect than an injury affected Draxler.



I actually don't agree with the we will sell players if they ask to leave stance.



That's sad, coz Pogba is effectively going to see that with Barcelona next year, and Dybala the year after. Only Juve stand to lose if this is the approach they take.



Agree. Although it may not just be Goetze, because that's too specific, but closer to his level, than Draxler, just because Draxler falls within 25m bracket.



That's actually a pretty unfair take, to bring down all of Vidals work and value down to an injury plagued start to the season which had a knock on effect. Other than that he is going to fly at Bayern and he already showed glimpses of his old form In the latter half of the season.

In fact, daylight robbery would be paying 25m upfront despite not being convinced about a players fitness level, and after first asking for him on a loan as a result - and after having that turned down, be willing to buy him outright just so that you have something to show for after selling a pillar of the team. As per GDM, and some sources here, seems like Draxler and zgoetze are on the agenda, but we are willi to close with Schalke by switching to an outright purchase.



Frankly, Vidal could've got a higher salary than 6.5m, but more interesting than that, it is what Marrotta said about the length of the contract Bayern offered, which implies that Juve themselves were not considering keeping him as well. It's all too coincidental that Vidal went from 'I'd like stay at this club forever' to 'I want to leave' in a matter of a month. There's more than meets the eye about this sale and I'm sure we will know more when the player speaks too.



We may not have to wait till then, seeing as they are already working on their so called targets. I'm just hoping they don't settle for the one within their 'economic parameters'

You know the irony in all of this.

For such a long time Marotta was blamed for our transfer policies. Well, they got us to a CL final and minutes away from a treble among many other accolades. Now, again, after winning repeatedly he is still being blamed for our transfer policies.


You folks are stubborn to the point where your denial is obvious. Is Marotta a man without faults? Of course not. But thankfully for all of us, even his nay-sayers, his pros far out weigh his cons.

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If Dru can be swayed of all people, I have my faith in you Baggio.

 

[baggio]

You know the irony in all of this.

For such a long time Marotta was blamed for our transfer policies. Well, they got us to a CL final and minutes away from a treble among many other accolades. Now, again, after winning repeatedly he is still being blamed for our transfer policies.


You folks are stubborn to the point where your denial is obvious. Is Marotta a man without faults? Of course not. But thankfully for all of us, even his nay-sayers, his pros far out weigh his cons.

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If Dru can be swayed of all people, I have my faith in you Baggio.

You're making this all too personal for yourself again. It's not about Marrotta vs the world. We are taking a risk selling one of the pillars of the team after losing our most influential player from the last couple of seasons, and that has to be reciprocated back out on our incoming targets. Draxler would be underwhelming in these circumstances is all I'm saying. Vidal had a bad season for those justifying this sale, the same guys who come out and say that Draxler would top off a brilliant mercsto. What about the season he just had? Common. I'm not the only one being swayed here Hust, and that is where the irony lies.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

You're making this all too personal for yourself again. It's not about Marrotta vs the world. We are taking a risk selling one of the pillars of the team after losing our most influential player from the last couple of seasons, and that has to be reciprocated back out on our incoming targets. Draxler would be underwhelming in these circumstances is all I'm saying. Vidal had a bad season for those justifying this sale, the same guys who come out and say that Draxler would top off a brilliant mercsto. What about the season he just had? Common. I'm not the only one being swayed here Hust, and that is where the irony lies.

 

[JCK]

You're making this all too personal for yourself again. It's not about Marrotta vs the world. We are taking a risk selling one of the pillars of the team after losing our most influential player from the last couple of seasons, and that has to be reciprocated back out on our incoming targets. Draxler would be underwhelming in these circumstances is all I'm saying. Vidal had a bad season for those justifying this sale, the same guys who come out and say that Draxler would top off a brilliant mercsto. What about the season he just had? Common. I'm not the only one being swayed here Hust, and that is where the irony lies.

It's always like that, whenever you question anything it is immediately Marotta this and Marotta that and then the famous Marotta built a team that has recently reached the CL final.

 

[lgorTudor]

It's always like that, whenever you question anything it is immediately Marotta this and Marotta that and then the famous Marotta built a team that has recently reached the CL final.

So did Hans Joachim Watzke. And then they lost two essential players (one for free, one for peanuts) and replaced them with half-solutions and talents. Sounds familiar?

 

[Klin]

@baggio, remind me never to argue with you, ever. You are the true voice of reason here.

 

[Vlad]

This is not speculation, it's factual. Marotta said he asked Vidal and Vidal said he wanted to leave to Bayern.

OK with that.

Not OK with not making an effort for Vidal to stay; not OK with not working for other offers for him, installing an auction and giving it to the higher bidder; not OK with him not holding the deal until he finds an AM, and if there isn't a good one available, no deal.

So I guess Marotta, while working on a kind of high moral base (always putting the will of the human being in first place, doesn't seem to lie or spill bullshit), he's a bit soft for a business like football.

Nowhere is that mentioned in an interview, but I guess people here know for a fact how the conversation went between mgt and Vidal behind close doors.

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We can but we probably didn't want to. The moment they got to know he wanted to leave was the moment they already realized how they'll bring in the requested #10 by Allegri. Max surely agreed to that and here we are; Vidal to Bayern and we're looking for a high profile #10.

That's what I believe as well. Not for a fact as some here proclaim it, but the theory that Vidal was lured with better contract (can't blame him for that), our unwillingness to offer him those terms and decision to invest money gained from his sale into a #10 make the most sense.

 

[Cheesio]

You're making this all too personal for yourself again. It's not about Marrotta vs the world. We are taking a risk selling one of the pillars of the team after losing our most influential player from the last couple of seasons, and that has to be reciprocated back out on our incoming targets. Draxler would be underwhelming in these circumstances is all I'm saying. Vidal had a bad season for those justifying this sale, the same guys who come out and say that Draxler would top off a brilliant mercsto. What about the season he just had? Common. I'm not the only one being swayed here Hust, and that is where the irony lies.

 

[Vlad]

That's actually a pretty unfair take, to bring down all of Vidals work and value down to an injury plagued start to the season which had a knock on effect. Other than that he is going to fly at Bayern and he already showed glimpses of his old form In the latter half of the season.

In fact, daylight robbery would be paying 25m upfront despite not being convinced about a players fitness level, and after first asking for him on a loan as a result - and after having that turned down, be willing to buy him outright just so that you have something to show for after selling a pillar of the team. As per GDM, and some sources here, seems like Draxler and zgoetze are on the agenda, but we are willi to close with Schalke by switching to an outright purchase.

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It's reality. He was abysmal and quite frankly the progress was more due to people exaggerating his every good move on the pitch. Not quite the same player and rather questionable whether he'll ever be one. He wasn't able to stringing together few decent games.

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You know the irony in all of this.

For such a long time Marotta was blamed for our transfer policies. Well, they got us to a CL final and minutes away from a treble among many other accolades. Now, again, after winning repeatedly he is still being blamed for our transfer policies.


You folks are stubborn to the point where your denial is obvious. Is Marotta a man without faults? Of course not. But thankfully for all of us, even his nay-sayers, his pros far out weigh his cons.

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If Dru can be swayed of all people, I have my faith in you Baggio.

I know, it doesn't make sense . We need backup here @JuveID

 

[Hust]

It's reality. He was abysmal and quite frankly the progress was more due to people exaggerating his every good move on the pitch. Not quite the same player and rather questionable whether he'll ever be one. He wasn't able to stringing together few decent games.

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I know, it doesn't make sense . We need backup here @JuveID

the last thing we need is backup. if anything, the other side needs it because they don't' have an empty trophy cabinet to back up their claim.

 

[Klin]

Abysmal. He fucking used abysmal.

 

[Lion]

unreal. he was still quite good.

find me a dm that does the amount of work he does. then find me one that also scores and assists like he does.

btw in the coppa he looked back to his old form. and that was him stringing together 5-6 good games.

unlike what delpiero 86 says.

fucking hypocrites

 

[Cheesio]

Abysmal. He fucking used abysmal.

and a few weeks back he was saying that we shouldn't sell Vidal because he was one of our best players.

Such hypocrisy.