Giuseppe Marotta (110 Viewers)
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I like Vidal from last season and I know he was in very poor form at start but I also know that he started to gain form in February. A knee surgery is not that easy to recover. He was great by the end of the season and he then went to play a monster tournament for his country. The way I see it, his form is recovering rather than deteriorating.
Last year for Juve he couldn't string two consecutive semi decent games. Even if there were glimpses of his former self in one of the games, he'd went on to have abysmal the very next one. I hoped he would get back to his best, but what if his best days are behind and mgt relized this on time, cashed in and plans to invest money elsewhere, because both you and I know that Vidal would likely spend this season playing as trequartista. Not hard to guess how that would fare.
We are a top club but there are still clubs bigger than us. Players like Pogba want to play for the biggest clubs and have a shot at the Cl. We need to survive the next 3-5 years and get to Cl quarter and semi finals on a regular basis. That would increase our income and appeal. Only than we have a chance that players like Pogba and co will stay here
I don't like this soft approach Marotta appears to take.
It sounds like he asked Vidal whether he wanted to leave rather than the other way around. Why bother asking?
He says if Bayern say that they will sell Gotze we will be interested. How about we tell Bayern to sell us Gotze or we won't sell them Vidal?
If Bayern really want Vidal make them pay an appropriate price. Morgan Schneiderlin who was playing in the third tier in England a few years ago just went for more.
Why did we just let Pirlo and Tevez leave for basically nothing just because they want to go?
He says Vidal had a contract expiring in two years and Bayern would offer him a 5 year deal. He is only 28, why don't we offer him 5 years?
Clearly if Vidal is refusing to sign a new contract and demanding to leave fair enough. But it doesn't sound like that was the case and we could have at least got better money for him.
He was a major reason for us getting to the Champions League final. He was superb in the knockout stage.
Why spend a whole year getting the guy back to form only to sell him on the cheap?
It sounds like he asked Vidal whether he wanted to leave rather than the other way around. Why bother asking?
He says if Bayern say that they will sell Gotze we will be interested. How about we tell Bayern to sell us Gotze or we won't sell them Vidal?
If Bayern really want Vidal make them pay an appropriate price. Morgan Schneiderlin who was playing in the third tier in England a few years ago just went for more.
Why did we just let Pirlo and Tevez leave for basically nothing just because they want to go?
He says Vidal had a contract expiring in two years and Bayern would offer him a 5 year deal. He is only 28, why don't we offer him 5 years?
Clearly if Vidal is refusing to sign a new contract and demanding to leave fair enough. But it doesn't sound like that was the case and we could have at least got better money for him.
He was a major reason for us getting to the Champions League final. He was superb in the knockout stage.
Why spend a whole year getting the guy back to form only to sell him on the cheap?
From Juve official page:
“Juventus is not a selling club and players aren’t transferred unless they ask to leave. This is what happened in the cases of Pirlo, Tevez, Ogbonna and also Vidal, who expressed his desire to try a different experience.
http://www.juventus.com/en/news/news/2015/marotta-targets-additional-recruits-.php
“Juventus is not a selling club and players aren’t transferred unless they ask to leave. This is what happened in the cases of Pirlo, Tevez, Ogbonna and also Vidal, who expressed his desire to try a different experience.
http://www.juventus.com/en/news/news/2015/marotta-targets-additional-recruits-.php
Sounds to me that Bayern asked for him and the Marotta asked Vidal. To which he said he would like to go for it. That is different to e.g. Raheem Sterling where he demands to leave.
Seems if we didn't ask the question Vidal could have been happy. It's probably not the best for morale to him when you ask if you would like to change club. We should have said, he is a key player and not for sale unless for big money.
Even if he did want to go, why so cheap? Why not do a Porto and say sure you can have him but you need to pay?
Seems if we didn't ask the question Vidal could have been happy. It's probably not the best for morale to him when you ask if you would like to change club. We should have said, he is a key player and not for sale unless for big money.
Even if he did want to go, why so cheap? Why not do a Porto and say sure you can have him but you need to pay?
This is not speculation, it's factual. Marotta said he asked Vidal and Vidal said he wanted to leave to Bayern.
OK with that.
Not OK with not making an effort for Vidal to stay; not OK with not working for other offers for him, installing an auction and giving it to the higher bidder; not OK with him not holding the deal until he finds an AM, and if there isn't a good one available, no deal.
So I guess Marotta, while working on a kind of high moral base (always putting the will of the human being in first place, doesn't seem to lie or spill bullshit), he's a bit soft for a business like football.
OK with that.
Not OK with not making an effort for Vidal to stay; not OK with not working for other offers for him, installing an auction and giving it to the higher bidder; not OK with him not holding the deal until he finds an AM, and if there isn't a good one available, no deal.
So I guess Marotta, while working on a kind of high moral base (always putting the will of the human being in first place, doesn't seem to lie or spill bullshit), he's a bit soft for a business like football.
Well if the club wants to have this image that we reached the CL final by luck then for sure other clubs have a better shot at winning the CL than us. However, if the club convinces its players that this is what we aim for every year then I don't see why players like Pogba and Vidal would want to move elsewhere where the goals are more or less the same.
Grinta is what we need for the Serie a IMO. And talent for the CL.
A number 10 can be Draxler or a Goetze. It is the quality of the 10 to be honest.
Sure, but that's never going to happen if the outgoing players are undersold and a level above the incoming ones. An outgoing Vidal needs replacing with a slightly more marquee prospect than an injury affected Draxler.
I actually don't agree with the we will sell players if they ask to leave stance.
That's sad, coz Pogba is effectively going to see that with Barcelona next year, and Dybala the year after. Only Juve stand to lose if this is the approach they take.
Agree. Although it may not just be Goetze, because that's too specific, but closer to his level, than Draxler, just because Draxler falls within 25m bracket.
That's actually a pretty unfair take, to bring down all of Vidals work and value down to an injury plagued start to the season which had a knock on effect. Other than that he is going to fly at Bayern and he already showed glimpses of his old form In the latter half of the season.
In fact, daylight robbery would be paying 25m upfront despite not being convinced about a players fitness level, and after first asking for him on a loan as a result - and after having that turned down, be willing to buy him outright just so that you have something to show for after selling a pillar of the team. As per GDM, and some sources here, seems like Draxler and zgoetze are on the agenda, but we are willi to close with Schalke by switching to an outright purchase.
Frankly, Vidal could've got a higher salary than 6.5m, but more interesting than that, it is what Marrotta said about the length of the contract Bayern offered, which implies that Juve themselves were not considering keeping him as well. It's all too coincidental that Vidal went from 'I'd like stay at this club forever' to 'I want to leave' in a matter of a month. There's more than meets the eye about this sale and I'm sure we will know more when the player speaks too.
We may not have to wait till then, seeing as they are already working on their so called targets. I'm just hoping they don't settle for the one within their 'economic parameters'
A number 10 can be Draxler or a Goetze. It is the quality of the 10 to be honest.
Sure, but that's never going to happen if the outgoing players are undersold and a level above the incoming ones. An outgoing Vidal needs replacing with a slightly more marquee prospect than an injury affected Draxler.
I actually don't agree with the we will sell players if they ask to leave stance.
That's sad, coz Pogba is effectively going to see that with Barcelona next year, and Dybala the year after. Only Juve stand to lose if this is the approach they take.
Agree. Although it may not just be Goetze, because that's too specific, but closer to his level, than Draxler, just because Draxler falls within 25m bracket.
That's actually a pretty unfair take, to bring down all of Vidals work and value down to an injury plagued start to the season which had a knock on effect. Other than that he is going to fly at Bayern and he already showed glimpses of his old form In the latter half of the season.
In fact, daylight robbery would be paying 25m upfront despite not being convinced about a players fitness level, and after first asking for him on a loan as a result - and after having that turned down, be willing to buy him outright just so that you have something to show for after selling a pillar of the team. As per GDM, and some sources here, seems like Draxler and zgoetze are on the agenda, but we are willi to close with Schalke by switching to an outright purchase.
Frankly, Vidal could've got a higher salary than 6.5m, but more interesting than that, it is what Marrotta said about the length of the contract Bayern offered, which implies that Juve themselves were not considering keeping him as well. It's all too coincidental that Vidal went from 'I'd like stay at this club forever' to 'I want to leave' in a matter of a month. There's more than meets the eye about this sale and I'm sure we will know more when the player speaks too.
We may not have to wait till then, seeing as they are already working on their so called targets. I'm just hoping they don't settle for the one within their 'economic parameters'
I don't like this soft approach Marotta appears to take.
It sounds like he asked Vidal whether he wanted to leave rather than the other way around. Why bother asking?
He says if Bayern say that they will sell Gotze we will be interested. How about we tell Bayern to sell us Gotze or we won't sell them Vidal?
If Bayern really want Vidal make them pay an appropriate price. Morgan Schneiderlin who was playing in the third tier in England a few years ago just went for more.
Why did we just let Pirlo and Tevez leave for basically nothing just because they want to go?
He says Vidal had a contract expiring in two years and Bayern would offer him a 5 year deal. He is only 28, why don't we offer him 5 years?
Clearly if Vidal is refusing to sign a new contract and demanding to leave fair enough. But it doesn't sound like that was the case and we could have at least got better money for him.
He was a major reason for us getting to the Champions League final. He was superb in the knockout stage.
Why spend a whole year getting the guy back to form only to sell him on the cheap?
It sounds like he asked Vidal whether he wanted to leave rather than the other way around. Why bother asking?
He says if Bayern say that they will sell Gotze we will be interested. How about we tell Bayern to sell us Gotze or we won't sell them Vidal?
If Bayern really want Vidal make them pay an appropriate price. Morgan Schneiderlin who was playing in the third tier in England a few years ago just went for more.
Why did we just let Pirlo and Tevez leave for basically nothing just because they want to go?
He says Vidal had a contract expiring in two years and Bayern would offer him a 5 year deal. He is only 28, why don't we offer him 5 years?
Clearly if Vidal is refusing to sign a new contract and demanding to leave fair enough. But it doesn't sound like that was the case and we could have at least got better money for him.
He was a major reason for us getting to the Champions League final. He was superb in the knockout stage.
Why spend a whole year getting the guy back to form only to sell him on the cheap?