Giuseppe Marotta (72 Viewers)

[PedroFlu]

Ok. Take into consideration that Sassuolo paid Juve 7.5 million for him last year. So, now, we are talking 11 million? Maybe just a little more than that? Wouldn't that fit your market evaluation of him?

So let's take into consideration that we paid 4M for his half initially. It makes 15M.

But it's not only about the price. He also had a buyback option for next year. Marotta already said the mercato is basically done. I'm also questioning the fact he prioritized paying 18M for a backup player when he could use this money for a starter.

 

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[Hust]

Sergio, I will let you take this one. My hands are full in Zaza's thread.

 

[Red]

I do worry about Lichtsteiner finally hitting that wall ...

Need to see what he's like when he's not playing while carrying an injury.

 

[KB824]

So let's take into consideration that we paid 4M for his half initially. It makes 15M.

But it's not only about the price. He also had a buyback option for next year. Marotta already said the mercato is basically done. I'm also questioning the fact he prioritized paying 18M for a backup player when he could use this money for a starter.

Ok, I can play this game. Purchased 3.5 million for him, and then sold half to Sassuolo for 2.5 million. Net Difference of 1 million.

Sold to Sassuolo for 7.5 million.


Purchased for 18 million.

Net difference of 11.5 million.


So now that we have surmised that the player value does in fact meet your valuation standards, what is the issue now?

The fact that everyone knew that this player was being purchased months ago, and was made official today? This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. We all knew this was happening. Why it happened after June 30th, I am not sure. Yes, it would be great if they could have knocked off 3 million for him, but there was probably a gentleman's agreement that took place between the two clubs for accounting purposes, and to tie in to Berardi's eventual transfer to Juve next year.

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Need to see what he's like when he's not playing while carrying an injury.

Problem with that though is with his playing style and advancing age, the window for him not carrying an injury throughout the season gets smaller.

 

[PedroFlu]

Although I don't like this operation, he's done a great job so far. Specially if he manages to sell Ogbonna / Llorente / Isla for a grand total nearing 30M. I'd love to insert Caceres on this and sign a good offensive RB.

Anyway, the team I'd like to see so far is:

Buffon

Licht - Bonucci - Chiellini - Evra

Marchisio

Pogba - Vidal

Dybala - Morata

Mandzukic



Neto

Caceres - Rugani - Barzagli - Padoin

Sturaro

Asamoah - Khedira

Pereyra

Coman - Zaza


Our depth is much better now, specially if Coman develops.

About the starting team, Marchisio as a DM for Pirlo is a huge plus.

Dybala for Tevez is unknown; Mandzukic for Pereyra looks decent if he can get crosses.


All in all, the starting team may be of the same level of last year, but with much better depth. OK.

 

[Red]

Problem with that though is with his playing style and advancing age, the window for him not carrying an injury throughout the season gets smaller.

Undoubtedly.

I just see no immediate cause for alarm with the fullbacks Juve have at the moment, though there is a need to start planning to replace players in the next couple of summers.

The way some people have been talking about Juve's fullbacks you'd think there was some full-blown crisis where Motta and De Ceglie were starters and Grosso was to be brought in as the saviour.

 

[KB824]

Pedro, I think the moral of the story is that the average age and wages of this club have been reduced, and the team is actually just as deep, if not deeper than last year. Keeping in mind that Coman, who was an afterthought, should be getting more playing time than he did last year

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Undoubtedly.

I just see no immediate cause for alarm with the fullbacks Juve have at the moment, though there is a need to start planning to replace players in the next couple of summers.

The way some people have been talking about Juve's fullbacks you'd think there was some full-blown crisis where Motta and De Ceglie were starters and Grosso was to be brought in as the saviour.

Oh, it will never ever be as bad as that again. There is simply no way. The effect that Asamoah's return will have on this club next season cannot be overstated. A deep club just gets that much deeper

 

[PedroFlu]

Ok, I can play this game. Purchased 3.5 million for him, and then sold half to Sassuolo for 2.5 million. Net Difference of 1 million.

Sold to Sassuolo for 7.5 million.


Purchased for 18 million.

Net difference of 11.5 million.


So now that we have surmised that the player value does in fact meet your valuation standards, what is the issue now?

The fact that everyone knew that this player was being purchased months ago, and was made official today? This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. We all knew this was happening. Why it happened after June 30th, I am not sure. Yes, it would be great if they could have knocked off 3 million for him, but there was probably a gentleman's agreement that took place between the two clubs for accounting purposes, and to tie in to Berardi's eventual transfer to Juve next year.

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Problem with that though is with his playing style and advancing age, the window for him not carrying an injury throughout the season gets smaller.

The price paid for him was of 18M, and it's just too much. That's undeniable. Selling his half for 7.5M was great. This is bad. Because we sold him well we don't have to overpay even more when buying him.

But what bothers me more is that they could go for a starter or a rotation guy with skills we don't have.

Zaza is a good player, I like him and he will be useful. But he is redundant with Mandzukic and Morata.

But now if you thinkg about it, Zaza is purely replacing Llorente. In view of this, this deal does looks good.

He's better than Llorente right now, has much more upside, and will cost 9M annually (supposing 1.5M net salaries x2 + 6M installment)

Llorente costs 10M annually with his 5M net sallary.

We're actually making money replacing him.

OK, now I'm good with this.

I just wish Marotta could go for a fullback. This actually has nothing to do with Zaza, indeed.

You won. Value is good.

 

[Hust]

Sergio

 

[KB824]

The price paid for him was of 18M, and it's just too much. That's undeniable. Selling his half for 7.5M was great. This is bad. Because we sold him well we don't have to overpay even more when buying him.

But what bothers me more is that they could go for a starter or a rotation guy with skills we don't have.

Zaza is a good player, I like him and he will be useful. But he is redundant with Mandzukic and Morata.

But now if you thinkg about it, Zaza is purely replacing Llorente. In view of this, this deal does looks good.

He's better than Llorente right now, has much more upside, and will cost 9M annually (supposing 1.5M net salaries x2 + 6M installment)

Llorente costs 10M annually with his 5M net sallary.

We're actually making money replacing him.

OK, now I'm good with this.

I just wish Marotta could go for a fullback. This actually has nothing to do with Zaza, indeed.

You won. Value is good.

I wasn't trying to win anything dude. Just have a discussion with you. I'm sorry if I came across as crass. It was not my intention.

At least we both agree that Gerson sucks.

 

[PedroFlu]

lol my last post looked bipolar. But I'm just humble. You were right. It's a good deal, I can't think of someone better than Zaza to fill in the position of backup CF.

About the fullbacks, they are decent. But the position is vastly underrated. You look at the 3 best teams in the world (by a margin): Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern.

They all have the best fullbacks in the world. They are aggressive and fast. They use fullbacks a lot to offer width and attack.

I just think the importance of the position is underrated.

Our fullbacks are certainly great defenders, but only average attackers. IMO if we want to get closer to the top 3 teams, we need to improve the position, on both sides. Sign the best there is available.

For example, I'd be very happy if instead of signing Zaza, we could use that 18M + 10M and make a push for Alex Sandro for Porto. He'd be perfect for us.

 

[KB824]

lol my last post looked bipolar. But I'm just humble. You were right. It's a good deal, I can't think of someone better than Zaza to fill in the position of backup CF.

About the fullbacks, they are decent. But the position is vastly underrated. You look at the 3 best teams in the world (by a margin): Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern.

They all have the best fullbacks in the world. They are aggressive and fast. They use fullbacks a lot to offer width and attack.

I just think the importance of the position is underrated.

Our fullbacks are certainly great defenders, but only average attackers. IMO if we want to get closer to the top 3 teams, we need to improve the position, on both sides. Sign the best there is available.

For example, I'd be very happy if instead of signing Zaza, we could use that 18M + 10M and make a push for Alex Sandro for Porto. He'd be perfect for us.

I do not disagree with you. I think that sooner rather than later, the FB position will need to be addressed with younger, more attacking minded players. I don't think it will be this year though.

 

[PedroFlu]

I wasn't trying to win anything dude. Just have a discussion with you. I'm sorry if I came across as crass. It was not my intention.

At least we both agree that Gerson sucks.

Just kidding with you. Now I can definitely see that bitching about the value paid for him is uncalled for, since he'll actually be cheaper than Llorente.

 

[lucabrasi9tre]

The price paid for him was of 18M, and it's just too much. That's undeniable. Selling his half for 7.5M was great. This is bad. Because we sold him well we don't have to overpay even more when buying him.

But what bothers me more is that they could go for a starter or a rotation guy with skills we don't have.

Zaza is a good player, I like him and he will be useful. But he is redundant with Mandzukic and Morata.

But now if you thinkg about it, Zaza is purely replacing Llorente. In view of this, this deal does looks good.

He's better than Llorente right now, has much more upside, and will cost 9M annually (supposing 1.5M net salaries x2 + 6M installment)

Llorente costs 10M annually with his 5M net sallary.

We're actually making money replacing him.

OK, now I'm good with this.

Its not the worst thing in the world because you are indeed right that he is technically cheaper than Llorente once we get rid of him. But instead of paying all this money for a 5th striker that Llorente money could have been MUCH more wisely spent, which is why people are upset.

But probably there is an agreement in good faith tied with this to Berardi. So Ill wait to see the combined price of Zaza + Berardi next year to see if it was smart or not.

 

[baggio]

I do not disagree with you. I think that sooner rather than later, the FB position will need to be addressed with younger, more attacking minded players. I don't think it will be this year though.

I wonder if the club considered Darmian at any point as part of their plans this summer. Also often wonder, if the club alters strategic movements on the market, when a possible target is likely to be prised away by another big team be it in the country or elsewhere. As is the case with Darmian and Utd. This is just an example of a player we could probably be thinking about, and while i don't think its a pressing need, i wonder if we would be willing to lose the player in the long run, assuming we are interested in him and make the purchase this season rather than let him move overseas. But then again, seeing how quickly we have moved, looks like the only position we have multiple identified targets for, are the AM with enough clarity all other positions on the pitch.

 

[KB824]

I wonder if the club considered Darmian at any point as part of their plans this summer. Also often wonder, if the club alters strategic movements on the market, when a possible target is likely to be prised away by another big team be it in the country or elsewhere. As is the case with Darmian and Utd. This is just an example of a player we could probably be thinking about, and while i don't think its a pressing need, i wonder if we would be willing to lose the player in the long run, assuming we are interested in him and make the purchase this season rather than let him move overseas. But then again, seeing how quickly we have moved, looks like the only position we have multiple identified targets for, are the AM with enough clarity all other positions on the pitch.

Nope. I don't think they considered him at all. Especially considering that he is in their backyard. Which makes the situation even more complicated for Juve, because of all team that would get a discount of some sort from Torino, we would be at the absolute bottom of that list.

 

[baggio]

Nope. I don't think they considered him at all. Especially considering that he is in their backyard. Which makes the situation even more complicated for Juve, because of all team that would get a discount of some sort from Torino, we would be at the absolute bottom of that list.

Its strange if we didn't consider him tbh. We were momentarily linked with Fabinho, Kurzawa, Vrsaijko, and I don't think 20m is steep for a player like Darmian. He'd do great as part of this setup. We seem to have a decent relationship with Toro though.

 

[KB824]

Its strange if we didn't consider him tbh. We were momentarily linked with Fabinho, Kurzawa, Vrsaijko, and I don't think 20m is steep for a player like Darmian. He'd do great as part of this setup. We seem to have a decent relationship with Toro though.

It might not be, but I also have doubts that Darmian would be sold to us for only 20 million.

 

[Xperd]

I want to and infact have a great feeling of every signing we made this season but I got this edgy feeling that one of them will flop really hard :

 

[juvefan27]

Would have loved to sign Darmian, and not convinced by Zaza.

But I think at this point Marotta and Paratici have earned our trust.

There aren't many teams who have their entire mercato sorted before pre-season even begins.

Neto, Rugani, Khedira, Mandzukic, Dybala, Zaza is a good mercato in my book!

(Also, not sure if someone already said this, but the Zaza thing seems in part Beppe's fear of running out of strikers. His first year we lost Quags to injury, and Amauri and Iaquinta's form fell off a cliff. I think being left with 36 year old Del Piero and 34 year old Toni, plus Matri, made him fear a lack of strikers. Hence bringing Matri back, Anelka, Bendtner, Borriello, Giovinco [last season]... Beppe always wants five strikers! Sometimes they may be shit, but I think he has a phobia of running out of strikers)

And I'd say Morata, Zaza, Dybala, Mandzukic, Coman is pretty good, assuming Llorente leaves.