Giuseppe Marotta (136 Viewers)

[Klin]

He doesn't have to be special, he is good and easily worth what we paid for him.


Marrone can fill in for Pereyra? Sure, if he wasn't always injured, if he was actually an AM, and if he was actually as good as Pereyra he could definitely replace him


Even if what you said was actually true, and Coman wasn't directly competing with Tevez in our 14-15 formation, Pereyra is more wily, more tactically aware, grittier and quite simply the better player at this stage of his development. We wouldn't have achieved what we did this season with a green kid playing the role Pereyra did.


3rd sub who played 52 games, that's impressive. We must have played at least 200 games this season.

You're wrong about Pereyra so stop fixating on it, get over it.


It's not just potential, he has good stats, but you pay for the future of the player. Do you really think Pogba is worth €80m-€100m for what he brings on the pitch? Of course he's not, you pay for output but also the future of young players like this, and their image. Dybala is the sort of player who brings fans to the table.

And for clarity the fee is €32m + €8m potential bonuses. Those are achievement bonuses. I'd be quite glad to pay the full €40m for the player because it means the player and team has done well. Only a moron would argue against that aspect of the deal, so stick to the €32m fee.


You say it as if paying €40m for any player isn't a risk anyway. There is always some risk but it is lessened by money recovered from the player's image.


You can keep doubting where we spend our money all you like but the proof is in the pudding with all transfers. You want quality and we buy it then you complain it is too much, you want to mine gold with your bare hands. Good luck with that. We can try to get as many bargains as we want but in the end if you want a certain player and can afford them you buy them, that is what we are doing.


Wow, amazing how that works.


Careful, you let the mask slip a little there.


There are no gaps in our defence, just stop.


I'm not in the business of predicting the future, that's your thing. Please keep dumbing down the Pereyra deal and him as a player.


Yeah we overspent on our midfield over the years with Marotta, on our defence, with Tevez.


How about fuck Napoli and your opinion of that pathetic loser team. They don't come close to us in any respect, they don't have anything like the sporting targets we do, so stop comparing us to that trash.


Oh the piper has changed his tune. You wanted a left back and he signed a left back.

You don't like him any more? He's not a proper left back because he's too old now? You basically look stupid and are backtracking to cover your arse?

Tough shit. He turned out to be a very good left back for us.


Yes, he will last forever. The rest is a shit troll.


Like Higuain, you mean? Or like Tevez?

Here is your infraction and thread ban.

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[Hust]

If offering insight was obligatory, you would cease to exist.

I definitely got proved wrong when signed that 30 years old striker for ridiculous amount of money and keep making shady deals with small Italian clubs.

Everything you say is either a ridiculous conspiracy or absolute rubbish, Turk. There isn't one Board or GM on earth that has made 100% perfect moves every time on the market, yet, Marotta has come pretty darn close to being one of the best in Europe over the last 3 seasons yet I can't think of one post where you give the guy noteworthy credit.

The only thing that sets you apart from Cronios is what Cronios manages to say in one of his novels you can say in a matter of sentences. So take shelter in the fact you can manage to say absolutely nothing in much fewer words than Cronios.

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-Indeed Vidal had a year left and indeed i knew that, thats why i said, we should try to find bargain, meaning opportunities like that.
I sincerely believe that Marotta's strong point lies there, Pirlo and Pogba are amongst his greatest transfer hits. Thats why i insist he can do better at that.
I believe that CM and SS great talents appear in trillions each and every year,thats why most Marotta's free transfers are for these positions, because they are plenty of such targets, there are also plenty of bargains,
for example he found Khedira this year!
What s rarier Marotta cant find for free, Marotta pays, like wingers for example. IMO, we were initially interested on Pereyra for his ability to play in the wings, but Allegri never used him there!
He have used him as a CAM-SS hybrid most of the times. And since Pepe and co is not a valid option for the other wing, the wingers option is now out of the question.
Allegri being great at rotating players, he took the maximum of this player's fitness status and used him very wisely to rest starters or replace them, when they were not available.
MAny of our starters CMs like Vidal and Pogba are good both as CAM and DMS, so when we lacked someone he used the ones who can replace Pirlo and defend at deeper roles and Pereyra a bit forward.
Pereyra is clearly not a Padoin and thats for sure, but he is not anything special either.
Maronne and an army of youngsters that we own, could also fill for that role and if we only seek another CM to rest Prirlo, Pogba, Vidal and Marchisio, we got that in Khedira, Koman and Maronne (Padoin too)
Koman in particularly has suffered the most, he has less and less opportunities because of Pereyra and ok last year he was too young, but acquiring Pereyra now, seals his carrier with Juve!
If we were to invest that ammount, we could find a pure winger, 15mil for a 3rd CM sub is just too much, esp considering that Pereyra is not quite 15mil better than Coman or Sturaro.

-Potential? Immobile had potential and we have sold his half for merely 8mil, right in the year he has scored 22goals in serie A...
We have sold Zaza's half for 7.5mil and Berardi's half, Berardi who have scored vs Milan 3 and 4 goals/game, for merely 10mil
What about their potential? They are about the same age and all of them play in the NT as well, (that Dybala never made it there...)
Why are we forced to buy potential for 40mil? With 40mil you demand a proven quality starter! How many of our proven starters are worthy of 40mil in the market?
Potential involves a risk, before we start throwing 40mils on potential new starters, why dont we buy first some 40mil proven starters in place really struggle?
How can we afford to risk 40mil for an SS, when we cant afford 20mil to buy a starter LB or a starter LM?

-We dont have unlimited money, throwing 15mil on a 3rd rate sub, to do a youngsters job, 40mil on "potential", is quite unwise, considering thats most of our budget.
In the light of those, those 20mil on Mandjukic sound far more acceptable. But after having burned those 75mil on those 3 players and considering we have overpaid for the other 2, it was a logical question to ask,
why a player that was at his best and still had some potential to grow even better, only costed 13mil and when he is nearly spent and in decline he is worthy of 20mil.
We were asked to pay 20mil for Llorente back then and Marotta has wisely (market wise) preferred for his contract to expire, why are we now forced to shove those 20mil.
Back then we didnt have the option we have now.
Morata is obviously better than any of them, when we were using Bendtners and Boriellos, yes we should have used those 20mil to get a Mandzukic, but why now?
Why not just get an Immobile/Berardi/Zaza with half of that ammount, better finishing numbers and the "potential" for so much more?

-The 40mil on dybala are unwise considering that he is unproven and might easily flop, we are replacing our best player with an unproven one,
what happens if he fails, where we are to find another 40mil to buy a starter?
And what are we going to use up until then?
No matter if 2 of Vidal, Pogba and Pirlo leave, one of them with Marchisio and Khedira will be above Pereyra's pecking order.
Some goes with the attack, the 20mil Mandzukic is replacing Llorente, who is lower in the pecking order than Morata and if Zaza comes for 18mil, he will be even lower.
So most of our transfer budget again is spent on subs. Again most of our new acquisitions are CM-SSs, again we are lacking some highly specialised players, like dedicated wingers, prolific finishers, who tend to be more expensive, as they are rare to be found.

-My overall point is, that i dont see any improvement considering our strategic plan in the transfer market.
Yes, clearly we are bringing much better material than before, but we are spending much more as well.
Of course now the material we are getting is Juve material, at least as subbers, but the point is how wisely are we spending those 100mil?
Buying 3 subbers and a potential starter/potential flop of the century is opting for quality over quantity?
And what about the gaps in our defence? In previous years we have failed to fill them because we lacked cash.
In my books, buying two proven starters of 40mil and getting back 2 youngsters to fill 3rd subber roles would be a wiser path.
I was dissapointed to see us spending 15mil to keep Pereyra, were i was hoping to see more of Coman.
Those 15mil and further 5-7 generated by Ogbonna's sale could land us a Barzagli successor.
Going in the CL final, we lacked the most Chiellini and we almost play without Barzagli too, yet we always had plenty of CM options.
Seing us yet again to spend most of our budget on new CM and SS subbers suddens me the most, as this is exactly the pattern we have been seing since the Secco days and we are overstacked in these places and dreadly lacking at others.
Luckily though, some late rumors on Rugani and Abdennour gave me some hope that Marotta also have that covered and the defence was not yet again sacrificed in favour of more CM and SSs.
If one of them comes and hopefully Sorensen too, the center of our defense will be upgraded with enough depth, however still no starters.
Will Asamoah return? Will Evra be fit to play another year as a starter? Why invest 15-18mil on Pereyra-Zaza while we are having so many other reliable options ahead of them and let the LB/LM matter completely forgotten?

-In previous years, the Marotta apologists claimed that players didnt want to come to Juve, because Juve is not an attractive destination to them and thats why we had to pay more, for less, now players like Pereyra should actually force the clubs to give them an opportunity to join us, why are we again overspend then?
Why Juve is always overspending, we were overspending when we were not quite popular, we are overspending when we are popular.
We were overspending when we didnt have cash, we are overspending when we do have cash.
When the excussion will stop and Marotta's apologist will admitt that we are overspending because of Marotta?
Because of his mediocre bargain skills? Our club is paying more, because he cant perform better deals for us! We are now in a totally different negotiating position than the day Marotta came here, but we are treated by all clubs, lesser or bigger exactly as we were treated back then. The only constant is Marotta, the previous faulty arguments for his incompetence hold no water now.

-It was said that a proven 40mil prolific finisher would never join us, like Dzeko, Cavani, Higuain, RVP etc not because of Marotta, but because he wants titles, because he wants money we cant afford to give, because he wants CL glory, etc etc
and now we are at CL final, spending those 40mil after 4 consecutive titles and Marotta is still overspending and Marotta is still unable to sell any of our players close to the ammount we gave to buy them.
Look were Napoli stands in the transfer negotiating positions.
They cant promise a title, not even sure appearance in the CL year after year and yet they scout and buy players like Lavezzi and Cavani for 20 mil and then sell them for 100mil,
make players like Hamsik, Zapata, Albiol, Zuniga and Higuain prefer them over us and acquiring them for a fraction of what we would have paid for them.
They clearly are not as attractive destination as we are, but they can get the players we cant and for less that we are giving for much inferior squad players.
And by having a much more inferior budget than us, slowly closing the immense gap that stood among us and compete with us for the title year after year.
We are doing smth wrong here, a player like Zuniga would only join us for an ammount of +15mil,he would be an upgrade to the aged Evra, crippled DC and always injured Asamoah, he would have won titles with us, flory and improve as a player,
but he instead went to Napoli for half of that, has no pope for glory and title and he is merely a subber.
To get Evra nearly before he quit football, we were in a decade long quest for a decent LB and even then, we lacked the cash to buy someone and we had to approach only free agents.
Because Marotta is spending most of our cash on CM and SS subbers...
This is what i want to see us change. Ever since he have joined us Martotta has been failing to buy a starter LB, LM and is unable to approach a prolific finisher to replace the calciopoli loses of Zambrotta, Nedved and Zlatan
Coaches were forced to drop the 4-4-2 because of lack of wingers and wingbacks and opt for a 3-5-2, in order to optimally use the overstacked positions of CM
The best Marotta could do was a DM for the LB role in Asamoah and Evra at 34.
How about one real and proper starter LB or LM? Asamoah and Pereyra are not LBs and LMs, will we never afford one starter LB/LM of Juve material?
Will Barzagli last forever? will we never find another CB than can tackle? Will we always spend 80% of our summer transfer budget on new CMs and SSs?
Will we ever afford to buy a prolific finisher?

Exhibit A, Turk.

 

[piotrr]

Here is your infraction and thread ban.

If he's thread banned how will he read your reply?

 

[Hust]

Nice

 

[Klin]

Nice

It's not my doing.

Forza VUVU!

 

[JuveJay]

If he's thread banned how will he read your reply?

The reply wasn't for his benefit. Do you think he actually reads replies and thinks "hold on a minute, I might be wrong here"?

OVERSPEND
MAROTTA FAIL
NEVER SIGNED A LB
EVERYONE IS CM
EVERYONE IS ALSO SS
FIX THE DEFENCE
NAPOLI AND HIGUAIN
WE NEED A SCORER
I AM RIGHT
FREEDOM OF SPEECH

There, no need to read another post again.

 

[Hust]

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

OMG thank you @JuveJay

About time.

 

[Fr3sh]

Thread ban was overkill, should of let him reply then thread ban him

 

[Oggy]

He doesn't have to be special, he is good and easily worth what we paid for him.


Marrone can fill in for Pereyra? Sure, if he wasn't always injured, if he was actually an AM, and if he was actually as good as Pereyra he could definitely replace him


Even if what you said was actually true, and Coman wasn't directly competing with Tevez in our 14-15 formation, Pereyra is more wily, more tactically aware, grittier and quite simply the better player at this stage of his development. We wouldn't have achieved what we did this season with a green kid playing the role Pereyra did.


3rd sub who played 52 games, that's impressive. We must have played at least 200 games this season.

You're wrong about Pereyra so stop fixating on it, get over it.


It's not just potential, he has good stats, but you pay for the future of the player. Do you really think Pogba is worth €80m-€100m for what he brings on the pitch? Of course he's not, you pay for output but also the future of young players like this, and their image. Dybala is the sort of player who brings fans to the table.

And for clarity the fee is €32m + €8m potential bonuses. Those are achievement bonuses. I'd be quite glad to pay the full €40m for the player because it means the player and team has done well. Only a moron would argue against that aspect of the deal, so stick to the €32m fee.


You say it as if paying €40m for any player isn't a risk anyway. There is always some risk but it is lessened by money recovered from the player's image.


You can keep doubting where we spend our money all you like but the proof is in the pudding with all transfers. You want quality and we buy it then you complain it is too much, you want to mine gold with your bare hands. Good luck with that. We can try to get as many bargains as we want but in the end if you want a certain player and can afford them you buy them, that is what we are doing.


Wow, amazing how that works.


Careful, you let the mask slip a little there.


There are no gaps in our defence, just stop.


I'm not in the business of predicting the future, that's your thing. Please keep dumbing down the Pereyra deal and him as a player.


Yeah we overspent on our midfield over the years with Marotta, on our defence, with Tevez.


How about fuck Napoli and your opinion of that pathetic loser team. They don't come close to us in any respect, they don't have anything like the sporting targets we do, so stop comparing us to that trash.


Oh the piper has changed his tune. You wanted a left back and he signed a left back.

You don't like him any more? He's not a proper left back because he's too old now? You basically look stupid and are backtracking to cover your arse?

Tough shit. He turned out to be a very good left back for us.


Yes, he will last forever. The rest is a shit troll.


Like Higuain, you mean? Or like Tevez?

Here is your infraction and thread ban.

You are one of my favorite posters here, but now, now I love you <3

You made my day

 

[Scottish]

-Indeed Vidal had a year left and indeed i knew that, thats why i said, we should try to find bargain, meaning opportunities like that.
I sincerely believe that Marotta's strong point lies there, Pirlo and Pogba are amongst his greatest transfer hits. Thats why i insist he can do better at that.
I believe that CM and SS great talents appear in trillions each and every year,thats why most Marotta's free transfers are for these positions, because they are plenty of such targets, there are also plenty of bargains,
for example he found Khedira this year!
What s rarier Marotta cant find for free, Marotta pays, like wingers for example. IMO, we were initially interested on Pereyra for his ability to play in the wings, but Allegri never used him there!
He have used him as a CAM-SS hybrid most of the times. And since Pepe and co is not a valid option for the other wing, the wingers option is now out of the question.
Allegri being great at rotating players, he took the maximum of this player's fitness status and used him very wisely to rest starters or replace them, when they were not available.
MAny of our starters CMs like Vidal and Pogba are good both as CAM and DMS, so when we lacked someone he used the ones who can replace Pirlo and defend at deeper roles and Pereyra a bit forward.
Pereyra is clearly not a Padoin and thats for sure, but he is not anything special either.
Maronne and an army of youngsters that we own, could also fill for that role and if we only seek another CM to rest Prirlo, Pogba, Vidal and Marchisio, we got that in Khedira, Koman and Maronne (Padoin too)
Koman in particularly has suffered the most, he has less and less opportunities because of Pereyra and ok last year he was too young, but acquiring Pereyra now, seals his carrier with Juve!
If we were to invest that ammount, we could find a pure winger, 15mil for a 3rd CM sub is just too much, esp considering that Pereyra is not quite 15mil better than Coman or Sturaro.

-Potential? Immobile had potential and we have sold his half for merely 8mil, right in the year he has scored 22goals in serie A...
We have sold Zaza's half for 7.5mil and Berardi's half, Berardi who have scored vs Milan 3 and 4 goals/game, for merely 10mil
What about their potential? They are about the same age and all of them play in the NT as well, (that Dybala never made it there...)
Why are we forced to buy potential for 40mil? With 40mil you demand a proven quality starter! How many of our proven starters are worthy of 40mil in the market?
Potential involves a risk, before we start throwing 40mils on potential new starters, why dont we buy first some 40mil proven starters in place really struggle?
How can we afford to risk 40mil for an SS, when we cant afford 20mil to buy a starter LB or a starter LM?

-We dont have unlimited money, throwing 15mil on a 3rd rate sub, to do a youngsters job, 40mil on "potential", is quite unwise, considering thats most of our budget.
In the light of those, those 20mil on Mandjukic sound far more acceptable. But after having burned those 75mil on those 3 players and considering we have overpaid for the other 2, it was a logical question to ask,
why a player that was at his best and still had some potential to grow even better, only costed 13mil and when he is nearly spent and in decline he is worthy of 20mil.
We were asked to pay 20mil for Llorente back then and Marotta has wisely (market wise) preferred for his contract to expire, why are we now forced to shove those 20mil.
Back then we didnt have the option we have now.
Morata is obviously better than any of them, when we were using Bendtners and Boriellos, yes we should have used those 20mil to get a Mandzukic, but why now?
Why not just get an Immobile/Berardi/Zaza with half of that ammount, better finishing numbers and the "potential" for so much more?

-The 40mil on dybala are unwise considering that he is unproven and might easily flop, we are replacing our best player with an unproven one,
what happens if he fails, where we are to find another 40mil to buy a starter?
And what are we going to use up until then?
No matter if 2 of Vidal, Pogba and Pirlo leave, one of them with Marchisio and Khedira will be above Pereyra's pecking order.
Some goes with the attack, the 20mil Mandzukic is replacing Llorente, who is lower in the pecking order than Morata and if Zaza comes for 18mil, he will be even lower.
So most of our transfer budget again is spent on subs. Again most of our new acquisitions are CM-SSs, again we are lacking some highly specialised players, like dedicated wingers, prolific finishers, who tend to be more expensive, as they are rare to be found.

-My overall point is, that i dont see any improvement considering our strategic plan in the transfer market.
Yes, clearly we are bringing much better material than before, but we are spending much more as well.
Of course now the material we are getting is Juve material, at least as subbers, but the point is how wisely are we spending those 100mil?
Buying 3 subbers and a potential starter/potential flop of the century is opting for quality over quantity?
And what about the gaps in our defence? In previous years we have failed to fill them because we lacked cash.
In my books, buying two proven starters of 40mil and getting back 2 youngsters to fill 3rd subber roles would be a wiser path.
I was dissapointed to see us spending 15mil to keep Pereyra, were i was hoping to see more of Coman.
Those 15mil and further 5-7 generated by Ogbonna's sale could land us a Barzagli successor.
Going in the CL final, we lacked the most Chiellini and we almost play without Barzagli too, yet we always had plenty of CM options.
Seing us yet again to spend most of our budget on new CM and SS subbers suddens me the most, as this is exactly the pattern we have been seing since the Secco days and we are overstacked in these places and dreadly lacking at others.
Luckily though, some late rumors on Rugani and Abdennour gave me some hope that Marotta also have that covered and the defence was not yet again sacrificed in favour of more CM and SSs.
If one of them comes and hopefully Sorensen too, the center of our defense will be upgraded with enough depth, however still no starters.
Will Asamoah return? Will Evra be fit to play another year as a starter? Why invest 15-18mil on Pereyra-Zaza while we are having so many other reliable options ahead of them and let the LB/LM matter completely forgotten?

-In previous years, the Marotta apologists claimed that players didnt want to come to Juve, because Juve is not an attractive destination to them and thats why we had to pay more, for less, now players like Pereyra should actually force the clubs to give them an opportunity to join us, why are we again overspend then?
Why Juve is always overspending, we were overspending when we were not quite popular, we are overspending when we are popular.
We were overspending when we didnt have cash, we are overspending when we do have cash.
When the excussion will stop and Marotta's apologist will admitt that we are overspending because of Marotta?
Because of his mediocre bargain skills? Our club is paying more, because he cant perform better deals for us! We are now in a totally different negotiating position than the day Marotta came here, but we are treated by all clubs, lesser or bigger exactly as we were treated back then. The only constant is Marotta, the previous faulty arguments for his incompetence hold no water now.

-It was said that a proven 40mil prolific finisher would never join us, like Dzeko, Cavani, Higuain, RVP etc not because of Marotta, but because he wants titles, because he wants money we cant afford to give, because he wants CL glory, etc etc
and now we are at CL final, spending those 40mil after 4 consecutive titles and Marotta is still overspending and Marotta is still unable to sell any of our players close to the ammount we gave to buy them.
Look were Napoli stands in the transfer negotiating positions.
They cant promise a title, not even sure appearance in the CL year after year and yet they scout and buy players like Lavezzi and Cavani for 20 mil and then sell them for 100mil,
make players like Hamsik, Zapata, Albiol, Zuniga and Higuain prefer them over us and acquiring them for a fraction of what we would have paid for them.
They clearly are not as attractive destination as we are, but they can get the players we cant and for less that we are giving for much inferior squad players.
And by having a much more inferior budget than us, slowly closing the immense gap that stood among us and compete with us for the title year after year.
We are doing smth wrong here, a player like Zuniga would only join us for an ammount of +15mil,he would be an upgrade to the aged Evra, crippled DC and always injured Asamoah, he would have won titles with us, flory and improve as a player,
but he instead went to Napoli for half of that, has no pope for glory and title and he is merely a subber.
To get Evra nearly before he quit football, we were in a decade long quest for a decent LB and even then, we lacked the cash to buy someone and we had to approach only free agents.
Because Marotta is spending most of our cash on CM and SS subbers...
This is what i want to see us change. Ever since he have joined us Martotta has been failing to buy a starter LB, LM and is unable to approach a prolific finisher to replace the calciopoli loses of Zambrotta, Nedved and Zlatan
Coaches were forced to drop the 4-4-2 because of lack of wingers and wingbacks and opt for a 3-5-2, in order to optimally use the overstacked positions of CM
The best Marotta could do was a DM for the LB role in Asamoah and Evra at 34.
How about one real and proper starter LB or LM? Asamoah and Pereyra are not LBs and LMs, will we never afford one starter LB/LM of Juve material?
Will Barzagli last forever? will we never find another CB than can tackle? Will we always spend 80% of our summer transfer budget on new CMs and SSs?
Will we ever afford to buy a prolific finisher?

Hi Cronios,

I read your post and I'd like to answer your points. First of all regarding your view on Marotta making the most of good market opportunities. I agree with you that he is better than most at sealing deals on the cheap. However, this will surely be harder for us for two main reasons. Firstly because Marotta has this reputation of being able to sniff out good buys of players on the last year of their contract or something like that. Because of this reputation I feel that the clubs we buy from will be reluctant to let their players go for smaller amounts purely because they don't want to be the next victim of Marotta's superb buying practices. The other reason is because other clubs will likely be monitoring our targets and will attempt to hijack deals, creating a bidding war. With things working in this way it will become harder each year for us to make these deals. There is also the point to be made that while Beppe is good at signing players on these cheap deals he cannot simply create these market opportunities out of thin air. When Beppe is the buyer he cannot force the hand of the sellers and this of course is a universal fact in capitalism. As you have said in your post you believe that the majority of these opportunities are for CMs or SSs and you mention that you believe this to lead Beppe to sign mostly players for these two positions. I disagree with you that this is always our focus, however I think you may have a different definition of SS than most other posters and this could be a main point of confusion. In any case we cannot simply wish that highly sought-after players have their contracts expiring soon and that no other clubs will be interested in them. There is no [edit mode] option available in real football.

You mentioned more than once the idea that we should be moving towards a wing-based formation. You may be right that Pereyra was bought to afford Conte the opportunity to use wingers in a formation but of course Allegri came along and things changed. Allegri is well-known for deploying a 4312 formation. So well known in fact that many posters were making jokes about us using such a formation when Allegri was announced. For this reason it would seem unlikely that we would look to use a formation based on wingers feeding the ball to strikers in the middle. Can you honestly say this is a bad thing? Look at the results we achieved this season! We were one match, 30 minutes and one goal away from winning the treble! For me this is all the justification which is required for Allegri's tactical choices. To talk specifically about Pereyra he has proven himself to be more than just a 'subber' as you say (incidentally this word sounds strange in English, you would be better to use the word 'substitute' or simply 'sub') but he has been an extremely useful rotation player. Perhaps this is what you meant by 'subber'? For me Padoin and Romulo were brought here to be substitutes - that is players to fill a gap when needed and do a reasonably good job of it. There is a difference between that role and the one fulfilled by Pereyra this year. Pereyra came as a rotation player rather than a simple backup, a type of player who would be able to start games and play 90 minutes in order to rest other important players and also to cover for injuries. Of course this year Pereyra was required to do both of these due to our extensive injury record this season and also because of our demanding schedule of games what with us competing on three fronts. Don't forget that Pereyra started important games including against Borussia Dortmund, against whom he played in superb fashion. In our formation it seems that Allegri prefers to play two specific players as the 1 in our 4312 formation: the AMC if you will. Pereyra is one and Vidal the other. They offer us different things and this year allowed us to shape our team in different ways depending on our opponent. Pereyra was the correct choice tactically against Dortmund because their style of play is to counter attack, and Pereyra's directness and pace (alongside our solid defence absorbing their pressure and counterattacks) allowed us to counter-counter more effectively and this of course led to more than one of our goals in those games. On the other hand Arturo Vidal gives us a player who constantly badgers the opposition defence and midfield, crucial when playing against opponents who prefer to have possession such as Madrid or Barcelona. Playing Vidal as our AMC against Dortmund or Pereyra against Madrid would have been the wrong choice because neither has the characteristics to be truly effective in those games. This is what Pereyra affords us: a great option as a rotational player and more than simply a substitute. Thusly he represents excellent value at the price we have paid.

To briefly answer another point you made: Marrone does not appear to have the ability to perform the same role which Pereyra is able to. Luca will never be good enough to be a rotation player for us and would only be able to perform the role of substitute at this club. He has spent seasons and spells with the club and has clearly never managed to impress enough in training to be given a regular starting opportunity. His various loan spells haven't impressed the management enough either and I believe it is time to let him go. Players like him are of the type we have many many players and they usually turn out to make us small returns after selling them to other clubs or perhaps they are used as bargaining chips to reduce the transfer fees of new players we sign.

As for your thoughts on Coman (I believe you are being confused due to there only being one letter for the 'k' sound in Greek, Kingsley's surname is spelled as Coman with a C as the first letter) I do have to admit that it would be a shame to see his potential come to nothing, however I have not seen him complain and so I deduce that he is satisfied. He surely doesn't believe that he should be a starter in this team, and I presume that he feels he is benefiting in a big way from training with our array of superstar players. As an aside - does Coman not fit the mould of the SS player you often complain about us signing? Why would you champion his cause so when he appears to represent something you vehemently oppose? In any case I believe that Coman is satisfied with how his career is playing out. There might also be a possibility that we play on using him as a winger with Berardi - whom I will discuss later in this post - on the opposite wing once we bring Domenico to the club and of course when the two are ready to be starters. Would you prefer us to loan out Coman? I believe that Marchisio is the only example of a young player being loaned out and subsequently managing to establish himself as a Juventus starter. Even Berardi has noticed this and I believe this to be a big reason for his refusal to play for us this year. If we allowed Coman to be loaned at Sassuolo how could we guarantee his return? Of course there is the possibility that he will reveal himself to be substandard while playing regularly and this is the risk you take when you pay for potential in footballers. There is a trade-off between a young player getting gametime while on loan and the same player being allowed to train with top class players and learn from them first-hand. I believe that Coman was given the choice and that he prefers to stay with Juventus, playing games here and there while improving during training rather than playing with a lower quality of player.

With regard to the 'potential' which many posters here speak of - this is something which you pay for and there is a hugely important calculation to be made of risk vs reward. In some cases this risk is small or even nonexistant. For example Pogba and Coman being two players who arrived for nothing. If they turn out to be top class players, as is the case with Pogba, then the small risk we made has paid off. Of course Pogba represents one of the solid market opportunities we both agree that Marotta is good with but not all young players can be bought for nothing. It seems that our management believes Dybala to have the potential to be worth so much more than the ~30m (I believe your numbers may be off, may I ask for your source?) we are paying. This represents a risk and it appears we are investing the bulk of our Champions League gains in this player. The thing is that we cannot afford to buy ready-made superstars and since we have a solid squad we can afford to make this kind of deal where we bet on likely prospects for mid-range sums (by today's market standards) in the probability that they will become worth even more than that. I have not seen much of Dybala but I trust in our management and believe he will do well here.

As for your points regarding our defence I believe that if we are able to sell Ogbonna - something I believe to be well within the realms of possibility - we will bring in Rugani. Barzagli has proven himself to be the best centre back in professional football during his time here but now would be the perfect time to bring in Rugani, that is to say a younger player who has shown a great deal of promise, and integrate him into the team a la Coman so that by the time he is ready to start alongside Bonucci, who is a player who has demonstrated his growth this year and I believe many if not all of our posters here would consider him our best CB besides perhaps Barzagli, he will not have to meet our squad as he would if he was a new signing from a different club. I believe this to be the plan but of course Marotta cannot force Ogbonna out of the club. In these situations we have to remember that we are dealing with human beings with families, jobs and their own financial situation to worry about. You mention our fullbacks, however I believe that Evra can be relied upon for at least one more season. I think you would struggle to find anybody who believed he could perform at such a high level as he did this year for us and given the fact that he is not only a professional footballer but a model professional coupled with the presumable army of nutritionists and physiotherapists we have at the club I believe he will not have a problem with maintaining this level for one more season. We also have Caceres and Asamoah (who incidentally I do not class as an injury prone player rather one who has suffered one major injury which has kept him out of this season, and for the same reasons I mentioned above with regard to Evra I have little doubt that Asamoah will be able to return to the form he exhibited pre-injury) returning as well as of course Lichtsteiner. I do not believe that the full back positions on either side of the pitch are a priority this year but I expect us to look for a solution after this season. Incidentally who would you like to see us sign as a new left back? This seems to be the single position with few players who are at the top level. Look at what Manchester United had to pay for Luke Shaw. If we were to make the same kind of deal how would you feel about it?

In all of this I do not believe that we have overpaid for a player in quite some time. As I explained above our deal for Dybala does not represent an overpayment but a sort of gamble on the potential of the young player. An overpayment would be represented by Jorge Martinez or most any of the deals made by Secco. Perhaps our most recent overpayment could be considered as Ogbonna however I see this as the type of gamble which we are making this year on Dybala. Ogbonna's gamble did not pay off and so we consider him to be an overpayment. It is too easy to forget how highly rated he was when we purchased him and his lack of football intelligence and attention span only became apparent after we had signed him. Of course Bonucci used to have his own problems but he has shown the mental dexterity, determination and drive to overcome these and he now stands tall among the very best in the world in his position.

You will have to forgive me if I have not been able to answer all of your points as I have other things to do this morning. I do hope that this post finds you in good health and I look forward to hearing your thoughts on what I have said.

Yours Sincerely,

Michael

 

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How long did yours take? I spent about 90 minutes on mine

 

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LOL no way would I spend that long, about 20 minutes.

 

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He doesn't have to be special, he is good and easily worth what we paid for him.


Marrone can fill in for Pereyra? Sure, if he wasn't always injured, if he was actually an AM, and if he was actually as good as Pereyra he could definitely replace him


Even if what you said was actually true, and Coman wasn't directly competing with Tevez in our 14-15 formation, Pereyra is more wily, more tactically aware, grittier and quite simply the better player at this stage of his development. We wouldn't have achieved what we did this season with a green kid playing the role Pereyra did.


3rd sub who played 52 games, that's impressive. We must have played at least 200 games this season.

You're wrong about Pereyra so stop fixating on it, get over it.


It's not just potential, he has good stats, but you pay for the future of the player. Do you really think Pogba is worth €80m-€100m for what he brings on the pitch? Of course he's not, you pay for output but also the future of young players like this, and their image. Dybala is the sort of player who brings fans to the table.

And for clarity the fee is €32m + €8m potential bonuses. Those are achievement bonuses. I'd be quite glad to pay the full €40m for the player because it means the player and team has done well. Only a moron would argue against that aspect of the deal, so stick to the €32m fee.


You say it as if paying €40m for any player isn't a risk anyway. There is always some risk but it is lessened by money recovered from the player's image.


You can keep doubting where we spend our money all you like but the proof is in the pudding with all transfers. You want quality and we buy it then you complain it is too much, you want to mine gold with your bare hands. Good luck with that. We can try to get as many bargains as we want but in the end if you want a certain player and can afford them you buy them, that is what we are doing.


Wow, amazing how that works.


Careful, you let the mask slip a little there.


There are no gaps in our defence, just stop.


I'm not in the business of predicting the future, that's your thing. Please keep dumbing down the Pereyra deal and him as a player.


Yeah we overspent on our midfield over the years with Marotta, on our defence, with Tevez.


How about fuck Napoli and your opinion of that pathetic loser team. They don't come close to us in any respect, they don't have anything like the sporting targets we do, so stop comparing us to that trash.


Oh the piper has changed his tune. You wanted a left back and he signed a left back.

You don't like him any more? He's not a proper left back because he's too old now? You basically look stupid and are backtracking to cover your arse?

Tough shit. He turned out to be a very good left back for us.


Yes, he will last forever. The rest is a shit troll.


Like Higuain, you mean? Or like Tevez?

Here is your infraction and thread ban.

Okay.

-Indeed Vidal had a year left and indeed i knew that, thats why i said, we should try to find bargain, meaning opportunities like that.
I sincerely believe that Marotta's strong point lies there, Pirlo and Pogba are amongst his greatest transfer hits. Thats why i insist he can do better at that.
I believe that CM and SS great talents appear in trillions each and every year,thats why most Marotta's free transfers are for these positions, because they are plenty of such targets, there are also plenty of bargains,
for example he found Khedira this year!
What s rarier Marotta cant find for free, Marotta pays, like wingers for example. IMO, we were initially interested on Pereyra for his ability to play in the wings, but Allegri never used him there!
He have used him as a CAM-SS hybrid most of the times. And since Pepe and co is not a valid option for the other wing, the wingers option is now out of the question.
Allegri being great at rotating players, he took the maximum of this player's fitness status and used him very wisely to rest starters or replace them, when they were not available.
MAny of our starters CMs like Vidal and Pogba are good both as CAM and DMS, so when we lacked someone he used the ones who can replace Pirlo and defend at deeper roles and Pereyra a bit forward.
Pereyra is clearly not a Padoin and thats for sure, but he is not anything special either.
Maronne and an army of youngsters that we own, could also fill for that role and if we only seek another CM to rest Prirlo, Pogba, Vidal and Marchisio, we got that in Khedira, Koman and Maronne (Padoin too)
Koman in particularly has suffered the most, he has less and less opportunities because of Pereyra and ok last year he was too young, but acquiring Pereyra now, seals his carrier with Juve!
If we were to invest that ammount, we could find a pure winger, 15mil for a 3rd CM sub is just too much, esp considering that Pereyra is not quite 15mil better than Coman or Sturaro.

-Potential? Immobile had potential and we have sold his half for merely 8mil, right in the year he has scored 22goals in serie A...
We have sold Zaza's half for 7.5mil and Berardi's half, Berardi who have scored vs Milan 3 and 4 goals/game, for merely 10mil
What about their potential? They are about the same age and all of them play in the NT as well, (that Dybala never made it there...)
Why are we forced to buy potential for 40mil? With 40mil you demand a proven quality starter! How many of our proven starters are worthy of 40mil in the market?
Potential involves a risk, before we start throwing 40mils on potential new starters, why dont we buy first some 40mil proven starters in place really struggle?
How can we afford to risk 40mil for an SS, when we cant afford 20mil to buy a starter LB or a starter LM?

-We dont have unlimited money, throwing 15mil on a 3rd rate sub, to do a youngsters job, 40mil on "potential", is quite unwise, considering thats most of our budget.
In the light of those, those 20mil on Mandjukic sound far more acceptable. But after having burned those 75mil on those 3 players and considering we have overpaid for the other 2, it was a logical question to ask,
why a player that was at his best and still had some potential to grow even better, only costed 13mil and when he is nearly spent and in decline he is worthy of 20mil.
We were asked to pay 20mil for Llorente back then and Marotta has wisely (market wise) preferred for his contract to expire, why are we now forced to shove those 20mil.
Back then we didnt have the option we have now.
Morata is obviously better than any of them, when we were using Bendtners and Boriellos, yes we should have used those 20mil to get a Mandzukic, but why now?
Why not just get an Immobile/Berardi/Zaza with half of that ammount, better finishing numbers and the "potential" for so much more?

-The 40mil on dybala are unwise considering that he is unproven and might easily flop, we are replacing our best player with an unproven one,
what happens if he fails, where we are to find another 40mil to buy a starter?
And what are we going to use up until then?
No matter if 2 of Vidal, Pogba and Pirlo leave, one of them with Marchisio and Khedira will be above Pereyra's pecking order.
Some goes with the attack, the 20mil Mandzukic is replacing Llorente, who is lower in the pecking order than Morata and if Zaza comes for 18mil, he will be even lower.
So most of our transfer budget again is spent on subs. Again most of our new acquisitions are CM-SSs, again we are lacking some highly specialised players, like dedicated wingers, prolific finishers, who tend to be more expensive, as they are rare to be found.

-My overall point is, that i dont see any improvement considering our strategic plan in the transfer market.
Yes, clearly we are bringing much better material than before, but we are spending much more as well.
Of course now the material we are getting is Juve material, at least as subbers, but the point is how wisely are we spending those 100mil?
Buying 3 subbers and a potential starter/potential flop of the century is opting for quality over quantity?
And what about the gaps in our defence? In previous years we have failed to fill them because we lacked cash.
In my books, buying two proven starters of 40mil and getting back 2 youngsters to fill 3rd subber roles would be a wiser path.
I was dissapointed to see us spending 15mil to keep Pereyra, were i was hoping to see more of Coman.
Those 15mil and further 5-7 generated by Ogbonna's sale could land us a Barzagli successor.
Going in the CL final, we lacked the most Chiellini and we almost play without Barzagli too, yet we always had plenty of CM options.
Seing us yet again to spend most of our budget on new CM and SS subbers suddens me the most, as this is exactly the pattern we have been seing since the Secco days and we are overstacked in these places and dreadly lacking at others.
Luckily though, some late rumors on Rugani and Abdennour gave me some hope that Marotta also have that covered and the defence was not yet again sacrificed in favour of more CM and SSs.
If one of them comes and hopefully Sorensen too, the center of our defense will be upgraded with enough depth, however still no starters.
Will Asamoah return? Will Evra be fit to play another year as a starter? Why invest 15-18mil on Pereyra-Zaza while we are having so many other reliable options ahead of them and let the LB/LM matter completely forgotten?

-In previous years, the Marotta apologists claimed that players didnt want to come to Juve, because Juve is not an attractive destination to them and thats why we had to pay more, for less, now players like Pereyra should actually force the clubs to give them an opportunity to join us, why are we again overspend then?
Why Juve is always overspending, we were overspending when we were not quite popular, we are overspending when we are popular.
We were overspending when we didnt have cash, we are overspending when we do have cash.
When the excussion will stop and Marotta's apologist will admitt that we are overspending because of Marotta?
Because of his mediocre bargain skills? Our club is paying more, because he cant perform better deals for us! We are now in a totally different negotiating position than the day Marotta came here, but we are treated by all clubs, lesser or bigger exactly as we were treated back then. The only constant is Marotta, the previous faulty arguments for his incompetence hold no water now.

-It was said that a proven 40mil prolific finisher would never join us, like Dzeko, Cavani, Higuain, RVP etc not because of Marotta, but because he wants titles, because he wants money we cant afford to give, because he wants CL glory, etc etc
and now we are at CL final, spending those 40mil after 4 consecutive titles and Marotta is still overspending and Marotta is still unable to sell any of our players close to the ammount we gave to buy them.
Look were Napoli stands in the transfer negotiating positions.
They cant promise a title, not even sure appearance in the CL year after year and yet they scout and buy players like Lavezzi and Cavani for 20 mil and then sell them for 100mil,
make players like Hamsik, Zapata, Albiol, Zuniga and Higuain prefer them over us and acquiring them for a fraction of what we would have paid for them.
They clearly are not as attractive destination as we are, but they can get the players we cant and for less that we are giving for much inferior squad players.
And by having a much more inferior budget than us, slowly closing the immense gap that stood among us and compete with us for the title year after year.
We are doing smth wrong here, a player like Zuniga would only join us for an ammount of +15mil,he would be an upgrade to the aged Evra, crippled DC and always injured Asamoah, he would have won titles with us, flory and improve as a player,
but he instead went to Napoli for half of that, has no pope for glory and title and he is merely a subber.
To get Evra nearly before he quit football, we were in a decade long quest for a decent LB and even then, we lacked the cash to buy someone and we had to approach only free agents.
Because Marotta is spending most of our cash on CM and SS subbers...
This is what i want to see us change. Ever since he have joined us Martotta has been failing to buy a starter LB, LM and is unable to approach a prolific finisher to replace the calciopoli loses of Zambrotta, Nedved and Zlatan
Coaches were forced to drop the 4-4-2 because of lack of wingers and wingbacks and opt for a 3-5-2, in order to optimally use the overstacked positions of CM
The best Marotta could do was a DM for the LB role in Asamoah and Evra at 34.
How about one real and proper starter LB or LM? Asamoah and Pereyra are not LBs and LMs, will we never afford one starter LB/LM of Juve material?
Will Barzagli last forever? will we never find another CB than can tackle? Will we always spend 80% of our summer transfer budget on new CMs and SSs?
Will we ever afford to buy a prolific finisher?

Well said.

Hi Cronios,

I read your post and I'd like to answer your points. First of all regarding your view on Marotta making the most of good market opportunities. I agree with you that he is better than most at sealing deals on the cheap. However, this will surely be harder for us for two main reasons. Firstly because Marotta has this reputation of being able to sniff out good buys of players on the last year of their contract or something like that. Because of this reputation I feel that the clubs we buy from will be reluctant to let their players go for smaller amounts purely because they don't want to be the next victim of Marotta's superb buying practices. The other reason is because other clubs will likely be monitoring our targets and will attempt to hijack deals, creating a bidding war. With things working in this way it will become harder each year for us to make these deals. There is also the point to be made that while Beppe is good at signing players on these cheap deals he cannot simply create these market opportunities out of thin air. When Beppe is the buyer he cannot force the hand of the sellers and this of course is a universal fact in capitalism. As you have said in your post you believe that the majority of these opportunities are for CMs or SSs and you mention that you believe this to lead Beppe to sign mostly players for these two positions. I disagree with you that this is always our focus, however I think you may have a different definition of SS than most other posters and this could be a main point of confusion. In any case we cannot simply wish that highly sought-after players have their contracts expiring soon and that no other clubs will be interested in them. There is no [edit mode] option available in real football.

You mentioned more than once the idea that we should be moving towards a wing-based formation. You may be right that Pereyra was bought to afford Conte the opportunity to use wingers in a formation but of course Allegri came along and things changed. Allegri is well-known for deploying a 4312 formation. So well known in fact that many posters were making jokes about us using such a formation when Allegri was announced. For this reason it would seem unlikely that we would look to use a formation based on wingers feeding the ball to strikers in the middle. Can you honestly say this is a bad thing? Look at the results we achieved this season! We were one match, 30 minutes and one goal away from winning the treble! For me this is all the justification which is required for Allegri's tactical choices. To talk specifically about Pereyra he has proven himself to be more than just a 'subber' as you say (incidentally this word sounds strange in English, you would be better to use the word 'substitute' or simply 'sub') but he has been an extremely useful rotation player. Perhaps this is what you meant by 'subber'? For me Padoin and Romulo were brought here to be substitutes - that is players to fill a gap when needed and do a reasonably good job of it. There is a difference between that role and the one fulfilled by Pereyra this year. Pereyra came as a rotation player rather than a simple backup, a type of player who would be able to start games and play 90 minutes in order to rest other important players and also to cover for injuries. Of course this year Pereyra was required to do both of these due to our extensive injury record this season and also because of our demanding schedule of games what with us competing on three fronts. Don't forget that Pereyra started important games including against Borussia Dortmund, against whom he played in superb fashion. In our formation it seems that Allegri prefers to play two specific players as the 1 in our 4312 formation: the AMC if you will. Pereyra is one and Vidal the other. They offer us different things and this year allowed us to shape our team in different ways depending on our opponent. Pereyra was the correct choice tactically against Dortmund because their style of play is to counter attack, and Pereyra's directness and pace (alongside our solid defence absorbing their pressure and counterattacks) allowed us to counter-counter more effectively and this of course led to more than one of our goals in those games. On the other hand Arturo Vidal gives us a player who constantly badgers the opposition defence and midfield, crucial when playing against opponents who prefer to have possession such as Madrid or Barcelona. Playing Vidal as our AMC against Dortmund or Pereyra against Madrid would have been the wrong choice because neither has the characteristics to be truly effective in those games. This is what Pereyra affords us: a great option as a rotational player and more than simply a substitute. Thusly he represents excellent value at the price we have paid.

To briefly answer another point you made: Marrone does not appear to have the ability to perform the same role which Pereyra is able to. Luca will never be good enough to be a rotation player for us and would only be able to perform the role of substitute at this club. He has spent seasons and spells with the club and has clearly never managed to impress enough in training to be given a regular starting opportunity. His various loan spells haven't impressed the management enough either and I believe it is time to let him go. Players like him are of the type we have many many players and they usually turn out to make us small returns after selling them to other clubs or perhaps they are used as bargaining chips to reduce the transfer fees of new players we sign.

As for your thoughts on Coman (I believe you are being confused due to there only being one letter for the 'k' sound in Greek, Kingsley's surname is spelled as Coman with a C as the first letter) I do have to admit that it would be a shame to see his potential come to nothing, however I have not seen him complain and so I deduce that he is satisfied. He surely doesn't believe that he should be a starter in this team, and I presume that he feels he is benefiting in a big way from training with our array of superstar players. As an aside - does Coman not fit the mould of the SS player you often complain about us signing? Why would you champion his cause so when he appears to represent something you vehemently oppose? In any case I believe that Coman is satisfied with how his career is playing out. There might also be a possibility that we play on using him as a winger with Berardi - whom I will discuss later in this post - on the opposite wing once we bring Domenico to the club and of course when the two are ready to be starters. Would you prefer us to loan out Coman? I believe that Marchisio is the only example of a young player being loaned out and subsequently managing to establish himself as a Juventus starter. Even Berardi has noticed this and I believe this to be a big reason for his refusal to play for us this year. If we allowed Coman to be loaned at Sassuolo how could we guarantee his return? Of course there is the possibility that he will reveal himself to be substandard while playing regularly and this is the risk you take when you pay for potential in footballers. There is a trade-off between a young player getting gametime while on loan and the same player being allowed to train with top class players and learn from them first-hand. I believe that Coman was given the choice and that he prefers to stay with Juventus, playing games here and there while improving during training rather than playing with a lower quality of player.

With regard to the 'potential' which many posters here speak of - this is something which you pay for and there is a hugely important calculation to be made of risk vs reward. In some cases this risk is small or even nonexistant. For example Pogba and Coman being two players who arrived for nothing. If they turn out to be top class players, as is the case with Pogba, then the small risk we made has paid off. Of course Pogba represents one of the solid market opportunities we both agree that Marotta is good with but not all young players can be bought for nothing. It seems that our management believes Dybala to have the potential to be worth so much more than the ~30m (I believe your numbers may be off, may I ask for your source?) we are paying. This represents a risk and it appears we are investing the bulk of our Champions League gains in this player. The thing is that we cannot afford to buy ready-made superstars and since we have a solid squad we can afford to make this kind of deal where we bet on likely prospects for mid-range sums (by today's market standards) in the probability that they will become worth even more than that. I have not seen much of Dybala but I trust in our management and believe he will do well here.

As for your points regarding our defence I believe that if we are able to sell Ogbonna - something I believe to be well within the realms of possibility - we will bring in Rugani. Barzagli has proven himself to be the best centre back in professional football during his time here but now would be the perfect time to bring in Rugani, that is to say a younger player who has shown a great deal of promise, and integrate him into the team a la Coman so that by the time he is ready to start alongside Bonucci, who is a player who has demonstrated his growth this year and I believe many if not all of our posters here would consider him our best CB besides perhaps Barzagli, he will not have to meet our squad as he would if he was a new signing from a different club. I believe this to be the plan but of course Marotta cannot force Ogbonna out of the club. In these situations we have to remember that we are dealing with human beings with families, jobs and their own financial situation to worry about. You mention our fullbacks, however I believe that Evra can be relied upon for at least one more season. I think you would struggle to find anybody who believed he could perform at such a high level as he did this year for us and given the fact that he is not only a professional footballer but a model professional coupled with the presumable army of nutritionists and physiotherapists we have at the club I believe he will not have a problem with maintaining this level for one more season. We also have Caceres and Asamoah (who incidentally I do not class as an injury prone player rather one who has suffered one major injury which has kept him out of this season, and for the same reasons I mentioned above with regard to Evra I have little doubt that Asamoah will be able to return to the form he exhibited pre-injury) returning as well as of course Lichtsteiner. I do not believe that the full back positions on either side of the pitch are a priority this year but I expect us to look for a solution after this season. Incidentally who would you like to see us sign as a new left back? This seems to be the single position with few players who are at the top level. Look at what Manchester United had to pay for Luke Shaw. If we were to make the same kind of deal how would you feel about it?

In all of this I do not believe that we have overpaid for a player in quite some time. As I explained above our deal for Dybala does not represent an overpayment but a sort of gamble on the potential of the young player. An overpayment would be represented by Jorge Martinez or most any of the deals made by Secco. Perhaps our most recent overpayment could be considered as Ogbonna however I see this as the type of gamble which we are making this year on Dybala. Ogbonna's gamble did not pay off and so we consider him to be an overpayment. It is too easy to forget how highly rated he was when we purchased him and his lack of football intelligence and attention span only became apparent after we had signed him. Of course Bonucci used to have his own problems but he has shown the mental dexterity, determination and drive to overcome these and he now stands tall among the very best in the world in his position.

You will have to forgive me if I have not been able to answer all of your points as I have other things to do this morning. I do hope that this post finds you in good health and I look forward to hearing your thoughts on what I have said.

Yours Sincerely,

Michael

Lol.

 

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Do you fuckers know how long it takes to scroll this page on tapatalk?

 

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How long did yours take? I spent about 90 minutes on mine

LOL no way would I spend that long, about 20 minutes.

Both are too long.

I'm no mod but I imagine a thread ban takes much less time.