Giuseppe Marotta (115 Viewers)

[italiacalcio10]

He needs to become less like Ben Graham and more like Warren Buffett. Ben Graham would buy assets regardless of quality if they were cheap where as Buffett buys quality assets when either fairly priced or undervalued.

As for a renewal for Marotta:

We can sign him for 1 year with an option to terminate and with wages payable once his contract is complete in instalments over 4 years.

 

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[CrimsonianKing]

Yeah, i know i know. It's goal.com blah blah blah. He makes some good points though. Carlo Garganese is one of their least bad writers.


"Sneijder-Shaqiri saga shows Juventus may have hit their limit under Marotta"

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/ed...haqiri-saga-shows-juventus-may-have-hit-their

 

[LiquidPLP]

Yeah, i know i know. It's goal.com blah blah blah. He makes some good points though. Carlo Garganese is one of their least bad writers.


"Sneijder-Shaqiri saga shows Juventus may have hit their limit under Marotta"

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/ed...haqiri-saga-shows-juventus-may-have-hit-their

I think he's a pretty bad writer but this one is actually quite good except for the Sanchez part. He was never available before the WC, it didn't make sense for Barca to sell before the tournament.

After all we all know one thing for sure: Marotta is here to stay unless some kind of disaster happen.

 

[JCK]

This is what we have been saying, it is now the third transfer window in a row where we fail to add quality to the team.

 

[Hust]

Never thought I'd see the day the infamous goal.com would be credible on this forum.

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He needs to become less like Ben Graham and more like Warren Buffett. Ben Graham would buy assets regardless of quality if they were cheap where as Buffett buys quality assets when either fairly priced or undervalued.

As for a renewal for Marotta:

We can sign him for 1 year with an option to terminate and with wages payable once his contract is complete in instalments over 4 years.

Quality assets when fairly priced or undervalued: Vidal, Pogba, Barzagli, Llorente, Morata, Tevez, Pirlo, Coman

Come again?

 

[JCK]

Never thought I'd see the day the infamous goal.com would be credible on this forum.

I did not read the article but that phrase that we have reached the limit with Marotta is so true on so many levels.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

Never thought I'd see the day the infamous goal.com would be credible on this forum.?

It doesn't matter where it's from, it's not rumors from unreliable sources. It's just an article. and the writer who wrote it makes some good points.

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I think he's a pretty bad writer but this one is actually quite good except for the Sanchez part. He was never available before the WC, it didn't make sense for Barca to sell before the tournament.

After all we all know one thing for sure: Marotta is here to stay unless some kind of disaster happen.

I agree, i don't think they would sell before the WC.

And yes, he's staying no matter what.

 

[italiacalcio10]

Never thought I'd see the day the infamous goal.com would be credible on this forum.

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Quality assets when fairly priced or undervalued: Vidal, Pogba, Barzagli, Llorente, Morata, Tevez, Pirlo, Coman

Come again?

Let me rephrase that:

Ben Graham is a one of the most famous value investors. He had a style where he would only buy an asset if it was cheap, regardless of quality. The ones you cited are undoubtedly high quality, but they are all absurdly cheap (other than Morata). Similarly, Pereyra/Romulo aren't of very high quality, but were cheap so Marotta purchased him. That's Marotta's style. He needs a discount/deal on his terms or else he won't purchase.

If he was more of a Buffett type, he wouldn't haggle on price so much if it was a reasonable valuation. Buffett is willing to buy an amazing asset if the price is fair, something that Marotta doesn't appear to do very often. Buffett will also buy high quality at cheap prices when available.

That's the distinction.
Summary:
Buffett: Will buy high quality if cheap or fairly priced:
Graham: Will buy high or low quality if cheap.

 

[frzl]

imo it´s a quite questionable article, written by a questionable writer who works for a questionable site.
he got half of his numbers wrong, takes things that were probably reported by sportmediaset or tuttomerdasportsweb for granted (sanchez, 433...), and quite simply makes wrong statements for all that we know.
at first he is completely ignoring that allegri pretty much rejected shaqiri; instead he claims that marotta´s pennypinching was at fault (again). later he rows back on this .
furthermore he uses a quote from shaqiri which was proven to be fake .
it´s also funny to see that he makes it sound like last year marotta didn´t provide conte a good enough team to finish above mighty galatasaray.
standard goal.com article. massive hindsight-powers included. had iturbe exploded at roma we would now be reading an article about "marotta the idiot missing out on obvious wonder kid iturbe".

and no, i don´t think he is wrong about everything but overall the article is quite meh. poorly researched, poorly written.

 

[Vlad]

I did not read the article but that phrase that we have reached the limit with Marotta is so true on so many levels.

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imo it´s a quite questionable article, written by a questionable writer who works for a questionable site.
he got half of his numbers wrong, takes things that were probably reported by sportmediaset or tuttomerdasportsweb for granted (sanchez, 433...), and quite simply makes wrong statements for all that we know.
at first he is completely ignoring that allegri pretty much rejected shaqiri; instead he claims that marotta´s pennypinching was at fault (again). later he rows back on this .
furthermore he uses a quote from shaqiri which was proven to be fake .
it´s also funny to see that he makes it sound like last year marotta didn´t provide conte a good enough team to finish above mighty galatasaray.
standard goal.com article. massive hindsight-powers included. had iturbe exploded at roma we would now be reading an article about "marotta the idiot missing out on obvious wonder kid iturbe".

and no, i don´t think he is wrong about everything but overall the article is quite meh. poorly researched, poorly written.

 

[PedroFlu]

When Marotta pays 15M for Ogbonna and 17M for Pereyra, and loses Shaqiri who is available for 15M, he loses a lot of his credibility here.

 

[Vlad]

Ogbonna was one of the better CBs in Serie A, fairly young at that time. Pereyra is on a loan, doubt that we'll make it a permanent deal if he continues with disappointing performances. Shaqiri doesn't fit Allegri's plans and I prefer GM to work closely with his manager and get him what he needs, if his demands are reasonable of course.

 

[LiquidPLP]

Wanting Sneijder ahead of Shaqiri is not reasonable no matter how you look at it

 

[Suns]

great job making this team better, beppe

team has stagnated, can't wait for more depth.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

When Marotta pays 15M for Ogbonna and 17M for Pereyra, and loses Shaqiri who is available for 15M, he loses a lot of his credibility here.

I was never one to bash on Marotta like some here have been doing for years but after 3 scudetti I'm expecting more from him and our board.

If the best we can come up with to add quality to this team is Sneijder, our ambition is non-existent. And I'm starting to doubt whether he has what it takes to be at a club like Juventus.

And I've noticed i'm not the only one, there are some here who are very reasonable people and not just childish haters who are starting to think the same way.

 

[Bjerknes]

So if you don't think Marotta is doing a good job, you're a childish hater?

That is the most childish comment I have seen today.

 

[ALC]

So if you don't think Marotta is doing a good job, you're a childish hater?

That is the most childish comment I have seen today.

Respect his authoritah

 

[CrimsonianKing]

So if you don't think Marotta is doing a good job, you're a childish hater?

That is the most childish comment I have seen today.

Is that what you really understood? I mean really?

 

[LiquidPLP]

I was never one to bash on Marotta like some here have been doing for years but after 3 scudetti I'm expecting more from him and our board.

If the best we can come up with to add quality to this team is Sneijder, our ambition is non-existent. And I'm starting to doubt whether he has what it takes to be at a club like Juventus.

And I've noticed i'm not the only one, there are some here who are very reasonable people and not just childish haters who are starting to think the same way.

Well it has to be like this. Our last proper signings were Tevez and Llorente. The two were clear improvements over what we had. I barely ever complain about depth signings but those shouldn't be the only ones we do. We REALLY needed winger/am/ss last summer and no one came. In fact our last mercato wasn't bad but just incomplete I'd say.

 

[PedroFlu]

Ogbonna was one of the better CBs in Serie A, fairly young at that time. Pereyra is on a loan, doubt that we'll make it a permanent deal if he continues with disappointing performances. Shaqiri doesn't fit Allegri's plans and I prefer GM to work closely with his manager and get him what he needs, if his demands are reasonable of course.

Ogbonna was clearly overpaid at the time he was bought and everybody knew it then. He came from a weak to regular performance for Torino the previous season, along with injuries.

Let's not kid ourselves and pretend Pereyra isn't going to be bought. Have we done any business with Udinese where we aren't obligated to buy the guy afterwards? Look at Motta and Isla lol. Pereyra is already bought for 17M. Part of the overpricing is the long installments. Loaning before is just a way to extend the payment through 1 more year.

Regarding the coach, demanding Sneijder over Shaqiri is not reasonable.

And I'm sure Allegri wouldn't mind having Shaqiri. This was Marotta's and Paratici's decision. We just fucked it up. Hopefully things we'll remain as they are. If we pay 8M for Sneijder on huge salaries this will be a tragedy. Case for summary sacking of Marotta & co.