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It's kinda weird to need to educate fellow Juve fans of its club history. I mean we bought likes of Liam Brady and Laudrup as stars at that time only to out them on the bench or loan them out, just in case we would need them if we needed to replace Platini.
It's kinda weird to need to educate fellow Juve fans of its club history. I mean we bought likes of Liam Brady and Laudrup as stars at that time only to out them on the bench or loan them out, just in case we would need them if we needed to replace Platini.
Yes. People were shocked to some extent when we ditched Brady and brought in Platini, but what a move. Even in the 50s, that signing of Sivori was crazy money for that era. And then Anastasi shattering the old transfer record in the 60s.
I mean Trezeguet for 24 mil in 2000, is bigger than Isco for 30 mil a couple years ago, more akin to Javi Martinez for 40 mil. Nedved for over 40 mil in 2001 is equivalent to Cavani for 60mil last year. Buffon for 54 mil in 01 is an equivalent transfer to James Rodriguez in that 80mil area. Even to Neymar and Gareth Bale as Buffon is a keeper and all three were young players with immense potential who had room for growth. We bought every type of paler but the Cristiano Ronaldo or Lionel Messi in their prime type. And no one but Real has ever done that in reality, until ManU and Barca joined them this year. Neither City or PSG have yet jumped into that stratosphere. Partially because they've often needed too many players to go that crazy on a single one.
We were a rich, big spending club from the 1950s all the way to 2004 with Emerson.
Yes. People were shocked to some extent when we ditched Brady and brought in Platini, but what a move. Even in the 50s, that signing of Sivori was crazy money for that era. And then Anastasi shattering the old transfer record in the 60s.
I mean Trezeguet for 24 mil in 2000, is bigger than Isco for 30 mil a couple years ago, more akin to Javi Martinez for 40 mil. Nedved for over 40 mil in 2001 is equivalent to Cavani for 60mil last year. Buffon for 54 mil in 01 is an equivalent transfer to James Rodriguez in that 80mil area. Even to Neymar and Gareth Bale as Buffon is a keeper and all three were young players with immense potential who had room for growth. We bought every type of paler but the Cristiano Ronaldo or Lionel Messi in their prime type. And no one but Real has ever done that in reality, until ManU and Barca joined them this year. Neither City or PSG have yet jumped into that stratosphere. Partially because they've often needed too many players to go that crazy on a single one.
We were a rich, big spending club from the 1950s all the way to 2004 with Emerson.
I never said that we don't spend big at times, but with us it's more calculated and sensible spending; well within budgets and often it has prompted the sale of another star (Trez in, Inzaghi out, Buffon and Nedved in, Zidane out etc.). We spend big at times, but we don't do batshit crazy spending that puts us deep in the red. We've never been doing that.
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We bought Salas for 25 mil with most of the Inzaghi money. 
on that move.
I agree with you though. Some people were taking too far in suggesting we were growing most of our players at home, or buying them as unknowns. The difference back then was we were very good at selling players in their late 20s for good fees. We were also quite good at recouping large portions of fees on our flops which kept us out of the deep red. Lately we can hardly sell our big transfer flops for peanuts.
on that move.I agree with you though. Some people were taking too far in suggesting we were growing most of our players at home, or buying them as unknowns. The difference back then was we were very good at selling players in their late 20s for good fees. We were also quite good at recouping large portions of fees on our flops which kept us out of the deep red. Lately we can hardly sell our big transfer flops for peanuts.
Juventino[RUS];4684904 said:
TRANSFER BALANCE
from 00/01 to 14/15
Italy has no money
from 00/01 to 14/15
Italy has no money
Rus you do realize this shows that Serie A is fourth in net spend. Behind England, Spain, Germany. We've sold more than any other league. We're first as a selling league!
I bet if you move that forward to post-Calciopoli it looks even worse for Serie A.
Rus you do realize this shows that Serie A is fourth in net spend. Behind England, Spain, Germany. We've sold more than any other league. We're first as a selling league!
I bet if you move that forward to post-Calciopoli it looks even worse for Serie A.
So, with all those financial improvements this year that were already mentioned a couple of times in the thread, what figures we should expect this season? I have really high expectations if we manage to get to lets say CL quarter final, but can we actually increase our revenue to 300-320 mil this year?
The financial improvements are for next year, unless you are talking about increased income due to Napoli fucking off in the CL QR
We should probably break 300 tho, but not sure how much
If we do at least QF this year and again next year, we should be close to 320 next year with the increased revenue from the sponsership deal alone
We should probably break 300 tho, but not sure how much
If we do at least QF this year and again next year, we should be close to 320 next year with the increased revenue from the sponsership deal alone
In the mid 90es, after the new mgmt at that time took over following the nine years of drought, when Juventus couldn't win Serie A and therefore didn't participate in the CL, as back then winning Serrie A was prerequisite for the entry, Juve started to operate differently. The Agnelli's stopped investing into the club, self-sufficient model was adopted and big purchases were avoided, unless we had previously managed to sell as is the case with Zidane and astronomical fee that we had received. Later on, once Juventus established themselves again as a dominant force both in Italy and Europe, managed to increase their income, they were in position to spend significantly on the market. Players like Emerson and Viera for instance were brought for 25-30m each.
Juve's priority for the last few years has been reaching that self-sufficient model again, and in the process we've managed to build formidable team, one capable for great achievements. The main focus has been to consolidate our finances, feat almost achieved and that is without neglecting the sporting aspect. Our latest succcess is testament to that. For that very reason I can't see the need for incessant complaints by some. We spend reasonably every summer, improve the team, compete for trophies and keep our books in order. Can we blame Marotta or the members of our board for someone's unreasonable expectations?
Qualifying for the CL every year is the most important thing for us. When you look at these crazy figures that float around only for participation you can't but put an emphasis on that. Team that has good depth, even at the expense of an extra quality that maybe could have been obtained by sacrificing good alternatives on the bench as few suggested (by including bunch of our youngsters instead), will always have better chances to meet that objective. There are 60 games to be played during the season, injuries are frequent and could decimate any team. Failing to meet that minimum objective would put us in a tight spot. Then we'de have to sell Vidal, or Pogba, or both and back to square one. The risk is simply not worth the reward.
In the mid 90es, after the new mgmt at that time took over following the nine years of drought, when Juventus couldn't win Serie A and therefore didn't participate in the CL, as back then winning Serrie A was prerequisite for the entry, Juve started to operate differently. The Agnelli's stopped investing into the club, self-sufficient model was adopted and big purchases were avoided, unless we had previously managed to sell as is the case with Zidane and astronomical fee that we had received. Later on, once Juventus established themselves again as a dominant force both in Italy and Europe, managed to increase their income, they were in position to spend significantly on the market. Players like Emerson and Viera for instance were brought for 25-30m each.
Juve's priority for the last few years has been reaching that self-sufficient model again, and in the process we've managed to build formidable team, one capable for great achievements. The main focus has been to consolidate our finances, feat almost achieved and that is without neglecting the sporting aspect. Our latest succcess is testament to that. For that very reason I can't see the need for incessant complaints by some. We spend reasonably every summer, improve the team, compete for trophies and keep our books in order. Can we blame Marotta or the members of our board for someone's unreasonable expectations?
Valid points. However, regardless of net spend which was generally in the negative even in the Moggi era, we were still top 5 easily in terms of overall spending in Europe for those years. I hope most members understand that the goal of the board is to return to that place of financial clout where we can be in the top (probably 7 or 8 now realistically) clubs finance-wise in Europe, and to have the ability to spend 30-50 mil on single players, perhaps at an average of about one a year.
Yet, this does need to start happening in the next year, maybe two, and that is what has most people worried I think. We are going to have to replace quite a few players starting in a year, players like Pirlo and Barzagli and Lichsteiner and Tevez... Etc. We might get lucky with cheap youth development, but we also might not, and we need to have the ability to bring in those 30-40 mil area players that are young still, but have already showed they are good, yet with potential room to improve further. If next summer goes by and then in mercato 2016 we are not spending larger sums on more established stars of tomorrow, we're in trouble.
I think we'll get there. I just have that feeling. Still, there is cause for concern so I understand the doubts.
