Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
81,102
We'll need it a lot this season, I'm afraid. The army of doubters and naysayers are growing by the day. Even allies and once sympathetic figures like Klin have fully turned against the greatest of men.

We'll need to rest, regather, reorganise ourselves (and bone each other) to come up with a long term strategy to quash the haters.
 

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Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
81,102
Yup, not even once he accepted that. If you ask me, thats very worrysome. INstead, he kept saying we lacked quality, when he had players like Vidal and Pogba who are like 3 times the players he ever was.

Ridiculous



Conte never fooled me with his stupid euroexcuses. It was clear as water he was fucking up left and right.
I remember I used to doubt you when you were saying it about Conte at the beginning of our CL last season, turns out you were...dare I say it...right all along (@Cronios)

The sad thing is, there is still a select band of idiots around here who still think the board didn't provide him with a good enough team. At the VERY least, he was provided with a team that should really be wiping the floor with the likes of Copenhagen, Galatasaray, Nordsjaelland etc.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,135
Conte was no doubt partly at fault for the CL debacle last season, but he is a convenient scapegoat now since he is no longer part of the club, so blame is more easily shifted to him at this point in time.

The fact is, all parts of the club were at fault, including Marotta who has failed continuously to provide an adequate bench and suitable players to change formations.
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
Conte was no doubt partly at fault for the CL debacle last season, but he is a convenient scapegoat now since he is no longer part of the club, so blame is more easily shifted to him at this point in time.

The fact is, all parts of the club were at fault, including Marotta who has failed continuously to provide an adequate bench and suitable players to change formations.
Pretty sure it was Conte that didn't want to change formations when we started PERFECTLY with the 433. It was Conte that switched to the 352 and that's when Marotta started giving him players that suited that formation. How is it always Marotta's fault with the players we bring in when it could be quite possibly Conte making requests.

We all know he made requests because he made a point to bitch about it in the media.
 

icemaη

Rab's Husband - The Regista
Moderator
Aug 27, 2008
36,365
We'll need it a lot this season, I'm afraid. The army of doubters and naysayers are growing by the day. Even allies and once sympathetic figures like Klin have fully turned against the greatest of men.

We'll need to rest, regather, reorganise ourselves (and bone each other) to come up with a long term strategy to quash the haters.
I'm in. At least for the boning bit :shifty:

The mercato was underwhelming but not disastrous by any means. The 16m for Pereyra is the only true blot (the money, not the player), Our squad is stronger than last season without improving our starting 11. We'll still win the league imo. And should easily make it to the round of 16 in the CL.
 

Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
81,102
icemaη;4683499 said:
I'm in. At least for the boning bit :shifty:

The mercato was underwhelming but not disastrous by any means. The 16m for Pereyra is the only true blot (the money, not the player), Our squad is stronger than last season without improving our starting 11. We'll still win the league imo. And should easily make it to the round of 16 in the CL.
The important part is that you're in for the boning :D
 

Jem83

maitre'd at Canal Bar
Nov 7, 2005
22,870
We'll need it a lot this season, I'm afraid. The army of doubters and naysayers are growing by the day. Even allies and once sympathetic figures like Klin have fully turned against the greatest of men.

We'll need to rest, regather, reorganise ourselves (and bone each other) to come up with a long term strategy to quash the haters.
God damnit, koalaman :touched:

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Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
It was not Conte's fault that Marotta was failing each and every year to bring an LB, so he could never field a four man defence, without a freakin left flank...
It was not Conte's fault that Marotta was waiting Llorente's contract to expire for 3 years and up untill then, the team had not the tactical option of a CF and had to use either one of the growing collection of the multiple SSs we had, or crippled players like Borriello, Anelka and Bendtner...

Conte is a daredevil, he will not hesitate to call it as he sees it.
Between us and the greatest European clubs that we face in the CL, there is a huge different of quality. The difference is there, and is huge enough to become noticable regardless of what our coach says.
At his time, as a player, there was a difference, but not thaaaat big, to narrow the gap, we should improve the quality of our starter eleven,
we could not do that within a year, because we are not as wealthy as Man City, or PSG, they were bellow us and they are now suddenly above us.
So our only chance was to build slowly, but surely, making a couple of additions per year. Narrow the quality gap and improve our chances.
Our squad, under Conte, was strong enough to win the league with ease, at record breaking manner.
Conte has been asking for 2 years that the budget should not be wasted around, any longer, in squad players, a couple of 5mil minions, like Peluso and Padoin,the occassional free agent, with youngsters fillers are enough for depth and we should use our budget on one or two starters.
Buying 3 15mil player, instead of one 35mil one would lead us to nowhere near closer to the most competitive CL clubs.
Wes hould stop wasting time and give the club a chance to compete in the CL!

Marotta cannot sign prestigious players though, never did in his life, never will.
So Conte tried to corner the club's board,the ones who hired MArotta and refuse to hire a more suited successor,
by making those demands public, so that the board would comply by sanctioning 30mil acquisitions and hire a proper transfer director, who could approach the most prestigious players and agents.
He believed that the board would be pressured by the crowd to choose his path, because he was prooved to be the most valuable asset we had since calciopoli, the man who singlehandely has transformed our team, from a #7 place mediocrity, to unchallenged champions. Apart from that, Conte is one of us, he is a part of our most glorious history and he has made many personal sacrifices, right after he ebcame the most succesfull coach in the peninsula and the alliance of our enemies have fabricated means to ut him on trial.

It was still a considerable risk, as history has proven before, that the board never intended to make Juventus as big as it was before Calciopoli, the selection of the stadium capacity, the selection of unproven transfer directors and coaches speak by themselves. And clear example of them all, DD, yet another club legend, who has guided our club from serie B, back to serie A, he was axed for this very reason, he priorised quality over quantity, performance over nationalism and spectacle and he had to bite the bullet.

Conte's sacrifice must not go in vain, we must not pretend this was yet another coincidence and lie to our selves anymore, the board does not wants us to become the powerhouse we once been and they have imposed MArotta as handicap, exactly for that. MArotta is just a tool, he is honest and limited, he can only go that far, the choice to keep him, means a lot!
We should either accept it and stop having delusional CL aspirations, (the reason Conte has been constantly bitching about the lack of quality that have no intention to improve)
or fight with Conte, DD and any other Juventino who will stand up against the tyranny of the board!
 

Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
81,102
It was not Conte's fault that Marotta was failing each and every year to bring an LB, so he could never field a four man defence, without a freakin left flank...
It was not Conte's fault that Marotta was waiting Llorente's contract to expire for 3 years and up untill then, the team had not the tactical option of a CF and had to use either one of the growing collection of the multiple SSs we had, or crippled players like Borriello, Anelka and Bendtner...

Conte is a daredevil, he will not hesitate to call it as he sees it.
Between us and the greatest European clubs that we face in the CL, there is a huge different of quality. The difference is there, and is huge enough to become noticable regardless of what our coach says.
At his time, as a player, there was a difference, but not thaaaat big, to narrow the gap, we should improve the quality of our starter eleven,
we could not do that within a year, because we are not as wealthy as Man City, or PSG, they were bellow us and they are now suddenly above us.
So our only chance was to build slowly, but surely, making a couple of additions per year. Narrow the quality gap and improve our chances.
Our squad, under Conte, was strong enough to win the league with ease, at record breaking manner.
Conte has been asking for 2 years that the budget should not be wasted around, any longer, in squad players, a couple of 5mil minions, like Peluso and Padoin,the occassional free agent, with youngsters fillers are enough for depth and we should use our budget on one or two starters.
Buying 3 15mil player, instead of one 35mil one would lead us to nowhere near closer to the most competitive CL clubs.
Wes hould stop wasting time and give the club a chance to compete in the CL!

Marotta cannot sign prestigious players though, never did in his life, never will.
So Conte tried to corner the club's board,the ones who hired MArotta and refuse to hire a more suited successor,
by making those demands public, so that the board would comply by sanctioning 30mil acquisitions and hire a proper transfer director, who could approach the most prestigious players and agents.
He believed that the board would be pressured by the crowd to choose his path, because he was prooved to be the most valuable asset we had since calciopoli, the man who singlehandely has transformed our team, from a #7 place mediocrity, to unchallenged champions. Apart from that, Conte is one of us, he is a part of our most glorious history and he has made many personal sacrifices, right after he ebcame the most succesfull coach in the peninsula and the alliance of our enemies have fabricated means to ut him on trial.

It was still a considerable risk, as history has proven before, that the board never intended to make Juventus as big as it was before Calciopoli, the selection of the stadium capacity, the selection of unproven transfer directors and coaches speak by themselves. And clear example of them all, DD, yet another club legend, who has guided our club from serie B, back to serie A, he was axed for this very reason, he priorised quality over quantity, performance over nationalism and spectacle and he had to bite the bullet.

Conte's sacrifice must not go in vain, we must not pretend this was yet another coincidence and lie to our selves anymore, the board does not wants us to become the powerhouse we once been and they have imposed MArotta as handicap, exactly for that. MArotta is just a tool, he is honest and limited, he can only go that far, the choice to keep him, means a lot!
We should either accept it and stop having delusional CL aspirations, (the reason Conte has been constantly bitching about the lack of quality that have no intention to improve)
or fight with Conte, DD and any other Juventino who will stand up against the tyranny of the board!


But in all seriousness, you were the one who called Conte selfish when he took charge of Juventus. YOU WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG. He showed his true selfishness by putting himself before the club and the fans and running off.
 

j0ker

Capo di tutti capi
Jan 5, 2006
22,892
Conte was no doubt partly at fault for the CL debacle last season, but he is a convenient scapegoat now since he is no longer part of the club, so blame is more easily shifted to him at this point in time.

The fact is, all parts of the club were at fault, including Marotta who has failed continuously to provide an adequate bench and suitable players to change formations.
But didn't he do it this time?
 

zizinho

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2013
51,816
It was not Conte's fault that Marotta was failing each and every year to bring an LB, so he could never field a four man defence, without a freakin left flank...
OK, i wanted to post a stupid gif as a reply but this 1st sentence caught my eye and i think im gonna respond to it. there is no way im gonna read the rest (im not that stupid) so im only answering to the 1st sentence

so Marotta couldnt bring in a LB? when Conte arrived he already had a LB. Zielger. he was one of the best LBs in the league (well, atleast he was better than the DJ) at that time and Marotta signed him. for free. then Conte decided he doesent want him. he kept De Ceglie though, another LB who is inferior to the one he let go. in the winter Beppe got Caceres, who is a better LB than both Chiellini and PDC but he wasnt used there. later Conte switched to a 3-5-2 and a LB wasnt needed anymore. 2012 summer we got Asamoah. sure, he was a CM at the time and no-one thought he was going to be used at LWB. if you remember, we were targeting Armero at the time (thank God we didnt get him) who was too one of the best LBs in the league at the time, if not the best. after the pre season, Conte decided we dont need a new LB/LWB and that Asamoah is good enough to cover that position, so Armero stayed at Udinese. in the winter, Asa was going to the Africa Cup and we needed a replacement. Conte decided to bring his buddy Peluso to the club (who wasnt a bad signing after all). in the summer of 2013. we had other priorities (starting strikers) and we had Asa and Peluso already so a LB/LWB wasnt needed. now that we are moving towards a 4man defense we got Evra. with a new, younger LB probably coming next summer.

there. thats the story of Marotta, Conte and LBs. the great man did everything he could to keep the selfish man happy. at the end, the selfish man left the great man because he felt he reached the maximum after he gave it all to this club and that from this point the only way is downhill. thats it
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
Zeglier being one of the best LBs in serie A? Really??
Lets presume thats true... And it was only Conte and me that thought otherwise.
Then why not buy someone outside of serie A, after Conte deemed him not Juve material?
If not that transfer window, why not at x-mas? In the next summer, or the next?
Cmmon, where have you been in the past decade, the quest for a decent LB was a complete failure in each and every transfer window.

Caceres was never a LB, a RB maybe, but he has been playing CB, def not as a LB.
The best thing Marotta could get is Asamoah, a CM, fielded wide, but that is a far cry from a dedicated LB, able to play as a starter in a four man defense.
Ever since Chiellini was moved in the center of the defense and Criscito gifted away to allow the Bonucci mega transfer to happen, we have been suffering from a decent LB player, should i remind you Molinaro?
We have suffered a lot, only because the Italian championship lacked decent option in that place and we were refusing to look abroad, either because of nationalism, or incompetence, not of them makes a valid excuse though...

Serie B Peluso was just another example of the very limited choices we had within Italy. MArotta has been buying such LBs even before Conte arrived and they were his choices, either directly, or indirectly, because of his incompetence to do any better...
 

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