Thank you for proving my point. They are players not worth watching in other words.
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Shaqiri is known by a lot of people, there is buzz surrounding him and rumors to good clubs always showing up, and besides, many of us know about the skills and potential he has. Pereyra is a player many of us haven't heard about before and his displays have not created any interest around him either. Who the hell cares what players you've seen, only Osman has time to watch every player, you hear about the players that stand out.
That's retarded way of following players and can't believe someone would say such a stupid thing 
You basically trust what others say about them and hype is rarely a good thing. Anyway this discredits you from any further debate about players that we signed, since you only listen what others have to say, or how much hype surrounds certain player.
You basically trust what others say about them and hype is rarely a good thing. Anyway this discredits you from any further debate about players that we signed, since you only listen what others have to say, or how much hype surrounds certain player.
Don"t create bullshit.This is not my post,especially not concerning this issue.Don't be a little prick.I am nobody's follower .At least I have my view that Allegri is a prick and a third rate coach and Marotta is a poodle of Elkan/Agnelli and must do what they want to do for his salary.What is yours?
Trolling ?So,in one word,don't troll.It's stupid.
Trolling ?So,in one word,don't troll.It's stupid.
That's retarded way of following players and can't believe someone would say such a stupid thing You basically trust what others say about them and hype is rarely a good thing. Anyway this discredits you from any further debate about players that we signed, since you only listen what others have to say, or how much hype surrounds certain player.
You basically trust what others say about them and hype is rarely a good thing. Anyway this discredits you from any further debate about players that we signed, since you only listen what others have to say, or how much hype surrounds certain player.
Discredited, get off your high horse dude
Yes, because I'm trusting 1 or 2 people. Not a whole majority of people on twitter, other forums, people on tv, valuation, clips, different remarkable displays and bunch of other variables. What is stupid is people thinking that you need to scout every player before knowing how to judge them. I'm sorry, but I have no time watching every league and team. I base my opinions on players through seeing them a few times and the rest is gathered through what other people say and what you hear.
Discredited, get off your high horse dude
Discredited, get off your high horse dude
Yes, because I'm trusting 1 or 2 people. Not a whole majority of people on twitter, other forums, people on tv, valuation, clips, different remarkable displays and bunch of other variables. What is stupid is people thinking that you need to scout every player before knowing how to judge them. I'm sorry, but I have no time watching every league and team. I base my opinions on players through seeing them a few times and the rest is gathered through what other people say and what you hear.
Discredited, get off your high horse dude
Discredited, get off your high horse dude
No one is saying that it would be feasible to follow five big leagues all the time. It's out of the question, but if you haven't seen a player enough to pass a valid judgment, or at all as in his case, how about giving him a chance, instead of placing your trust in a bunch of twitter users, and already writting him off because he doesn't generate enough hype. Beyond ridiculous, but this place never cease to amaze me.
Watched 4-5 games for udinese last season and in all these games pereyra didn't stand out. He didn't screw up though but he did ok in them.
Thing is, you need players who can add something "extra" to your team. It always bothers me when I see a club like Inter buying one the league's best midfields and Lazio's best player by a margin for a mere 4 mil more than Pereyra !
They've added quality to their team, someone who can actually make a different to them. Can pereyra make a different in our team? Personally I really hope so but atleast from what I've seen he's at best a marchisio type of player. Someone who will do his job but that's it, nothing more.
People talk about depth, but Marotta already said last season that we're going after quality and we already stacked with quantity. We have one of the biggest squads in Europe let alone Italy. It's about a time to add quality to this team, but it seems that we're stick with that cycle of signing average and selling them for a loss in a season or 2 with a very few exceptions.
Thing is, you need players who can add something "extra" to your team. It always bothers me when I see a club like Inter buying one the league's best midfields and Lazio's best player by a margin for a mere 4 mil more than Pereyra !
They've added quality to their team, someone who can actually make a different to them. Can pereyra make a different in our team? Personally I really hope so but atleast from what I've seen he's at best a marchisio type of player. Someone who will do his job but that's it, nothing more.
People talk about depth, but Marotta already said last season that we're going after quality and we already stacked with quantity. We have one of the biggest squads in Europe let alone Italy. It's about a time to add quality to this team, but it seems that we're stick with that cycle of signing average and selling them for a loss in a season or 2 with a very few exceptions.
That's the whole thing, I am not writing anyone off but the amount of money splashed on all these players this summer could have gotten us a player that lifts the team to the next level without any arguments or judgments. The players we have bought are all with a big question mark that is yet to be answered. The complaints that most are presenting are that of the likes of Peluso, Isla, Martinez, etc. that were bought under the same conditions (lots of money, big question mark, depth) and in the end suffered to find a place in the team and finally gave us a hard time getting rid of them.
Out of those players that we bought that worked out are Vidal and Asamoah. Lichtsteiner was already established, Pirlo was already a legend, Pogba is like Coman, no one said a word about but these players did not cost money. Barzagli too, there was no gamble there, he made mistakes, was bought for peanuts and succeded.
Pereyra, Morata and Romulo cost a lot but we don't know what their destiny is. How much are we going to pay for these players fees? How much are they gaining all together in wages? Are they enough to buy an established player with his rocket high wages? And mind you, it looks like Marotta's mission does not stop at these three, he is going for a fourth and maybe fifth player of the same category.
Out of those players that we bought that worked out are Vidal and Asamoah. Lichtsteiner was already established, Pirlo was already a legend, Pogba is like Coman, no one said a word about but these players did not cost money. Barzagli too, there was no gamble there, he made mistakes, was bought for peanuts and succeded.
Pereyra, Morata and Romulo cost a lot but we don't know what their destiny is. How much are we going to pay for these players fees? How much are they gaining all together in wages? Are they enough to buy an established player with his rocket high wages? And mind you, it looks like Marotta's mission does not stop at these three, he is going for a fourth and maybe fifth player of the same category.
Morata was bought with the thought that he will be a top player that lifts the quality of the squad. He could supplant Llorente this season and no one would be surprised. But he's moreso expected to blossom in the coming years. Still, he was not bought for the bench.
Romulo was bought for the bench. Its 1M+7M if he plays 30% of the matches. That's a bench signing. But he is an upgrade over Isla at RWB and an upgrade over Padoin at CM. It was a good signing for me.
Those two transfers I have no problem with at all, their motivations are very clear to see. Pereyra on the other hand is a bit murkier. The price is too high and his role is unclear. To me, it feels like management believes Pereyra has potential to be a starter at CM, AM or winger at some point this season perhaps. He doesn't strike me as a bench signing but will likely end up there to start.
Sturaro is an investment in youth. Marrone I'm guessing will be sold shortly and Evra was brought as a starter. So in my opinion, Marotta was not going out and explicitly looking for bench players. The only definite bench player is Romulo but he was a good buy in my opinion.
If I had to take one transfer back this summer it would be Pereyra because his role is unclear. The rest are good transfers for me. It's not a 10/10 mercato by any stretch of the imagination as currently evaluated. But in a couple years when you look back at how Morata, Sturaro and Coman have progressed, you could see it as 10/10 if they blossom.
Then there's the issue with the installments and how we're paying for these transfers over the course of 4/5 years and blah blah, we've all heard it. It is a certain advantage for us though.
Personally I would take back Pereyra and Sturaro and use that money on a better player, perhaps Shaqiri, although even in that situation I could see myself being upset that we missed out on Sturaro in a couple years because although Shaqiri is a good player, he's not going to lift us anywhere by himself either.
Romulo was bought for the bench. Its 1M+7M if he plays 30% of the matches. That's a bench signing. But he is an upgrade over Isla at RWB and an upgrade over Padoin at CM. It was a good signing for me.
Those two transfers I have no problem with at all, their motivations are very clear to see. Pereyra on the other hand is a bit murkier. The price is too high and his role is unclear. To me, it feels like management believes Pereyra has potential to be a starter at CM, AM or winger at some point this season perhaps. He doesn't strike me as a bench signing but will likely end up there to start.
Sturaro is an investment in youth. Marrone I'm guessing will be sold shortly and Evra was brought as a starter. So in my opinion, Marotta was not going out and explicitly looking for bench players. The only definite bench player is Romulo but he was a good buy in my opinion.
If I had to take one transfer back this summer it would be Pereyra because his role is unclear. The rest are good transfers for me. It's not a 10/10 mercato by any stretch of the imagination as currently evaluated. But in a couple years when you look back at how Morata, Sturaro and Coman have progressed, you could see it as 10/10 if they blossom.
Then there's the issue with the installments and how we're paying for these transfers over the course of 4/5 years and blah blah, we've all heard it. It is a certain advantage for us though.
Personally I would take back Pereyra and Sturaro and use that money on a better player, perhaps Shaqiri, although even in that situation I could see myself being upset that we missed out on Sturaro in a couple years because although Shaqiri is a good player, he's not going to lift us anywhere by himself either.
The thing here is that this summer we have been getting rid of most of these transitional, old players, like Quag, Vuci, Peluso, Padoin, and not all are of the same quality of course, as Vucinic was a very good signing, Quag also had his uses, even Peluso at one point. Most of these players have helped us to improve gradually and their departures left gaps to fill. We cannot possibly start a season with only 2 forwards, one RB, 4CMs, etc.. the latter area was especially crucial for us in the past few years and if we go by the last season it was a good indicator that our midfield was a bit thin and needs more depth, but not mere bench players that any coach would hesitate to use. Of course we could have splashed on Sanchez, but season is long, injuries are frequent and it won' help our ambitions if the next guy standing in line is nothing short of useless. Pereyra is a good signing, Morata is talented youngster, Romulo had a wonderful season and was often the player that would stand out, along with Iturbe and Jorginho. Our first team needs one great signing I admit that, but not at the expense of losing balance and options in other areas. All of these are fairly young, and in case they flop they'll still have decent resale value.
As it looks now Evra and Asamoah will rotate at LWB; Pereyra will be replacement for either Vidal or Pogba; Marchisio for Pirlo; Morata, Gio, Tevez and Llorente will compete for 2 places up front; Romulo and Licht on the right side, etc... Would it be worth of losing these newly arrived players and holding onto Isla, Quag, Vucinic, Padoin, only to get one signing like Sanchez? Can't see it that way, sorry. Most importantly Sanchez wouldn't have even been possible without offloading these older guys on high salaries and then you'd still have an issue of replacing them adequately.
The bottom line is, we rejuvenated our team, brought in some useful players whose role will be more than a gap fillers, as any of Morata, Pereyra or Romulo can step in and make important contribution throughout the season, reduced our salary expenditures, etc... and there is still a month left.
As it looks now Evra and Asamoah will rotate at LWB; Pereyra will be replacement for either Vidal or Pogba; Marchisio for Pirlo; Morata, Gio, Tevez and Llorente will compete for 2 places up front; Romulo and Licht on the right side, etc... Would it be worth of losing these newly arrived players and holding onto Isla, Quag, Vucinic, Padoin, only to get one signing like Sanchez? Can't see it that way, sorry. Most importantly Sanchez wouldn't have even been possible without offloading these older guys on high salaries and then you'd still have an issue of replacing them adequately.
The bottom line is, we rejuvenated our team, brought in some useful players whose role will be more than a gap fillers, as any of Morata, Pereyra or Romulo can step in and make important contribution throughout the season, reduced our salary expenditures, etc... and there is still a month left.
If a player is talented enough he's bound to break through at one point. Age between 14-19 are crucial for their development, and if someone is mediocre you can't make him a better, or more talented player by giving him more chance. Take Pogba and Marrone for instance. Both had the same chance to break through, Marrone was used sporadically by Conte in his first season, Pogba as well was limited to a bench role at the beginning, but Frenchman was too good to be held down, while Italian never raised up to occasion when given chance. Can't see much sense in introducing barely decent youngsters instead of proven players. All of the three newly signed players will get a lot of playing time, won't be typical gap fillers.