Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
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im of the mindset that the squad needed depth. isla, padion, quag, vuci and ogbonaa are likelky gon

that leaves the squad with very limited players. then you have guys like marchisio and gio just nt being good enough and the squad lacks serious depth.
 

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Bianconero81

Ageing Veteran
Jan 26, 2009
40,182
We can put marchisio there, but this centreback issue is by far the most important if we don want to be shit in europe.


Great teams are build from the back, and we got plenty of offensive firepower
:lol: :howler: Wut? Outside of Llorente and Tevez, we have none. Giovinco is worthless, and Morata is injured and a relative unknown. What offensive firepower do you speak of? Coman is still young, and is unlikely to be used frequently, Pereyra is nothing but a bench option, and the likes of Vidal and Pogba will only be a threat in the final 3rd if they are given the freedom to roam and cause havoc in the opposition's half. We severely lack pace and creativity, and our slow tempo is unlikely to trouble the European elite.

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Its the same people mocking the dept all season long, and now neglect it.

I kinda like we are adding good options, and arent taking financial risks to buy players for a coach that has proven nothing for us yet.
The board took that risk with Conte, and despite all credentials, he didnt deliver in europe. Wich was largely due to circumstances but it still happened.

Lets spend for "allegri's preferred players" when he has proven himself with the team that Conte should have send into QF/SF of last years CL.
Ok. Let's never take risks then. It's a fucking vicious cycle. What if Allegri only stays for a couple of seasons, and then we replace him with someone else? Going by your logic, we should wait until the new coach then proves himself, before acquiring a high end quality prospect or established star.

Our established players aren't going to stick around forever, and wait for that to happen. If they see an opportunity to win more elsewhere, they are gone.

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Like I've said 7/10. We have improved the team yet again, making it more competitive for the season ahead of us. If in addition to an attacker/winger we manage to bring quality CB, than it'd be perfect 10.
A perfect 10? :lol: :howler: You gotta stop hitting that "management juice" Bro

7/10 is a tad generous, considering we have't really improved shit, and added some depth options (I shall grant you that). 6/10 thus far.
 

Ocelot

Midnight Marauder
Jul 13, 2013
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:lol: :howler: Wut? Outside of Llorente and Tevez, we have none. Giovinco is worthless, and Morata is injured and a relative unknown. What offensive firepower do you speak of? Coman is still young, and is unlikely to be used frequently, Pereyra is nothing but a bench option, and the likes of Vidal and Pogba will only be a threat in the final 3rd if they are given the freedom to roam and cause havoc in the opposition's half. We severely lack pace and creativity, and our slow tempo is unlikely to trouble the European elite.
"Plenty of offensive firepower" is perhaps an overstatement, though not by much, but our offensive department has never really been an issue last season. We scored more than two goals average in Serie A and didn't fail to score in any of our CL matches bar the one played on snow and mud.

As for the bolded part, the only time we faced european elite last season was against Real, and we scored 3 times in 2 games. Not too shabby, and with better finishing (which admitedly should be part of judging offensive firepower) we could have easily scored more.
 

Bianconero81

Ageing Veteran
Jan 26, 2009
40,182
"Plenty of offensive firepower" is perhaps an overstatement, though not by much, but our offensive department has never really been an issue last season. We scored more than two goals average in Serie A and didn't fail to score in any of our CL matches bar the one played on snow and mud.

As for the bolded part, the only time we faced european elite last season was against Real, and we scored 3 times in 2 games. Not too shabby, and with better finishing (which admitedly should be part of judging offensive firepower) we could have easily scored more.
We still lack pace and creativity. We don't really have a plan B, as we don't possess the necessary tools to deploy a different formation (without a significant drop in quality).

My point still stands. Outside of Tevez and Llorente, we don't have anyone who poses a serious offensive threat, unless Vidal and Pogba are allowed more freedom.

Barcelona and Madrid have plenty of offensive firepower. United and Bayern do. I'm not comparing us to them; I'm just stating what plenty of offensive firepower entails. We don't!
 

Ocelot

Midnight Marauder
Jul 13, 2013
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We still lack pace and creativity. We don't really have a plan B, as we don't possess the necessary tools to deploy a different formation (without a significant drop in quality).

My point still stands. Outside of Tevez and Llorente, we don't have anyone who poses a serious offensive threat, unless Vidal and Pogba are allowed more freedom.

Barcelona and Madrid have plenty of offensive firepower. United and Bayern do. I'm not comparing us to them; I'm just stating what plenty of offensive firepower entails. We don't!
Pogba and Vidal do pose a substantial offensive threat, I think just their combined goal tally the last seasons should prove that.

And yes, we are not on the level of Barcelona and Madrid, but, as always, theis doesn't mean that there is no middle ground between "equal to the worlds best" and "no offensive power bar two players".
Juve has shown that they are able to provide goals consistently. It could, and in the medium-term should be improved, but apparently a younger and more balanced squad (in terms of quality drop between first XI and bench) has been the priority. A choice more aiming for long-term stability than short-term success, and while of course the Mercato has not been perfect, there's no reason to be overly pessimistic.
 

Bianconero81

Ageing Veteran
Jan 26, 2009
40,182
well if we had 45m to drop i guess we could have signed kroos or draxler to statisfy you
Shut your mouth and be deceased, as your avatar suggests. Also Kroos and Draxelr? They play different positions. Weak troll is weak.

I don't think wanting someone like Shaqiri is too much to ask for. What about Ocampos from Monaco?!

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Pogba and Vidal do pose a substantial offensive threat, I think just their combined goal tally the last seasons should prove that.

And yes, we are not on the level of Barcelona and Madrid, but, as always, theis doesn't mean that there is no middle ground between "equal to the worlds best" and "no offensive power bar two players".
Juve has shown that they are able to provide goals consistently. It could, and in the medium-term should be improved, but apparently a younger and more balanced squad (in terms of quality drop between first XI and bench) has been the priority. A choice more aiming for long-term stability than short-term success, and while of course the Mercato has not been perfect, there's no reason to be overly pessimistic.
We shall see how the mercato ends. Nothing to get excited about so far, and while we may have improved depth, the quality of the squad hasn't significantly been upgraded.
 

CrimsonianKing

Count Mbangula
Jan 16, 2013
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We still lack pace and creativity. We don't really have a plan B, as we don't possess the necessary tools to deploy a different formation (without a significant drop in quality).

My point still stands. Outside of Tevez and Llorente, we don't have anyone who poses a serious offensive threat, unless Vidal and Pogba are allowed more freedom.

Barcelona and Madrid have plenty of offensive firepower. United and Bayern do. I'm not comparing us to them; I'm just stating what plenty of offensive firepower entails. We don't!
Proving our point why the team never had depth to begin with. Romulo, Evra, Pereyra will bring more to the table than what we had for team rotation/ different formations and in case of injuries in the starting 11 we'll have better subs.

I understand the other point and i agree, we haven't had an offensive firepower for many years. Maybe for the lack of skilled wingers who would provide that extra input offensively... While one thing i'm really disappointed with is that we have no game changer, that one guy who can make things happen. If Pirlo decides not to show up (which is something we see happen all the time) and/or Tevez is having a bad day we are simply an average team with no creativity.

What we've been doing so far is switching dead wood for good subs, nothing more, nothing less but if we're ever to compete with the big guys that's not enough. I know it takes money, lots of it, but we got to aim higher. Guess one has to begin somewhere so i expect no excuses for next season (15-16), we need top quality players.
 

LiquidPLP

Senior Member
Jun 9, 2012
12,237
This mercato is average to me. Not because we're buying bad players but not exactly those we actually need. Morata, Pereyra, Romulo and Evra are good players. Even though they could be considered bench players they can definitely get off the bench when needed and help the team. That's a positive definitely but IMO we are in need of ams/wingers because I can't see Allegri doing good job with 352 nor the team itself. After 3 years we already know its limitations and it was the time to move on which Conte wanted to do. We need a starting material am/winger - at least one. We didn't buy a single one so far and it doesn't look like we're after any at all. If Marotta buys a cb then this mercato will be below average to me definitely. We don't need any more cbs because I can't see Allegri playing 352 for too long. It's reported he'll try a new formation in the next match.

Oh and the coach of course. We're worse off that change and none can deny it.
 

donpiero

Stella D'Argento
Jul 3, 2009
3,370
The funny part in this fierce defense from marotta puppets arguing we've added depth, is that he was supposedly doing the exact same thing last mercato. And people were bragging about how we have the best depth.
So either he has failed to do so last year by adding a bunch of mediocre sh!t to our bench OR he's going after the wrong objectives now, since he's already added to our depth in the previous years.
Bottom line is this guy is exhausting our resources on rotational players all the time. And if finally after 10 transfer windows he manages to make a quality bench for us, that doesn't change the fact that he's sucked us dry in the process.
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
46,574
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Well there you go, folks. Now the excuse is that we have a new coach, so we can't buy anyone really good. It is amazing how stupid and low this forum goes to defend the establishment management. It is worse than Redcafe without a doubt, and I hate Manure fans.
I kinda agree, good players are good players regardless of the coach. And a good coach should be able to utilize them properly.

Also, the lack of pace is still our most glaring issue. No counterattack ability. Maybe we can still deal with it considering our midfield is really strong but I foresee a lot of ugly games still. Where we don't do much and just try to crowd the mid. Unfortunately a good counterattacking team only needs to catch us off-gurad one time in order to make us pay.
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,527
Romulo has nothing to do with Coman; one is CM/RB/RWB, while the other one is winger. Marrone is not good enough, not even for a bench and therefore he'll be gone very soon.

All in all solid mercato so far, 7/10. If we manage to get Lavezzi for the attack/wings, or player of that profile, someone able to beat his marker, pacey, direct, it'll deserve 9.
He has, "Romulo is predominantly a central midfielder",
so is Asamoah and Padoin, in a 4-3-3- variation the CMs cannot be used as wingbacks with the same efficiency.
If a RB is what we need, why dont we buy a dedicated RB instead?
We got him because he can only play in the midfield. And his age means that we will use him right away, whilst Maronne and Coman might wait.
It is highly unlikely that Romulo will sub Licht, so he might be fielded as midfielder, just like Padoin does, only this year, if the man midle becomes a three man midle, Asamoah will be used more in the midfield, less and less opportunities will appear for the young ones and when one would opt to tie die a game until its over without risks, he will use the experienced Romulo/Asamoah/Marchisio/Padoin, rather than risking the youngsters.

Romulo was completely uneeded, his acquisition shows our intentions and this is the kind of practice that is been using in serie A most of the times.
Again, this is only a parameter of of the utter disaster this transfer means.
The fact that we are further growing our squad,will also hurt us in the long run, esp next year when we will want to add big wage players.
Also we are wasting around cash that could be used for great players and was available to this year's budget, all the money we have wasted around could have got us two starters. The money was there, the ammount we commited for the first of the three installments of all those crappy players and their collective wages could afford us a Jovetic or a Sanchez, the depth was already there, the cash was there and this transfer prooves we have chosen a different path, the Sampdoria path, rather than the Juventus path.
This is why Conte left...
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,413
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Well there you go, folks. Now the excuse is that we have a new coach, so we can't buy anyone really good. It is amazing how stupid and low this forum goes to defend the establishment management. It is worse than Redcafe without a doubt, and I hate Manure fans.
I am actually starting to find it amazing, the creativity some members have to come up with excuses is fascinating. I am sure that Juventus can hire these members to take care of their press releases.
 

Suns

Release clause?
May 22, 2009
22,105
well if we had 45m to drop i guess we could have signed kroos or draxler to statisfy you
We do have that money, we actually spent close to 50m so far. And if you ask me, give me Draxler or Sanchez for 45m + the Evra signing and I'd take it over giving away one of them for Pereyra, Morata and Romolu.

Marotta doesn't think big and this team has reached a point where we need to start thinking bigger.
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
46,574
I am actually starting to find it amazing, the creativity some members have to come up with excuses is fascinating. I am sure that Juventus can hire these members to take care of their press releases.
Our biggest signing this season was keeping Vidal.
 

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