Giuseppe Marotta (133 Viewers)

[Vlad]

Marotta has failed to get us what we want with consistency, the previous coaches could not compensate and ranked us 7th twice in a row.

Once Cron. It was once. He had to clean the mess from the previous Mgt.

This is beyond ridiculous, conte threatended to leave unless the boar dguarantess that the team will be strenghtened with quality players and not with random opportunity targets,

You were of course participating that meeting to know the exact details of their conversation.

 

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[Rabbit]

Let's hope this man proves to be an improvement.

 

[Zacheryah]

Of course, because Milan still had great players like Nesta and Van Bommel to hold things together behind Ibrahimovic.

exactly, and thats the very issue here.

If milan werent a seller team, they could have kept zlatan and silva, let the old guard go, and replaced them.

Currently, milan is in such bad shape, that they had to sell their stars, let the old guard go, and had allmost nothing to replace all that with.

They got horribly lucky first with el sharaawy, and later with how the balotelli deal came to be, but you allready covered that.


if they are actually selling el sharaawy for tevez, then within 2 years, they'll be in a world of shit, more then today, cause tevez is worth nothing anymore, and they wont be so lucky as they were with el sharaawy

 

[baggio]

It's a bit wrong to discredit Galliani's efforts even in the current circumstances. Looking over the decade, he's won Meelan two CL's, two scudetti and a CL runners' up.(Like Marrotta won us two scudetti and a CL QF berth.) He's obviously doing something right. Their model may demand a lower threshold, quicker turnover and less stability but it's not like he's got nothing to show for it.

Also, like I said, you cannot compare the two. It's unfair to Marrotta because he doesn't have as much European experience and has spent much less time at a bigger club.

 

[Alen]

All Marotta transfers in and out of Juve. Only the youngsters who came or left the club for free aren't included.

IN:
Alessandro Matri 18 m €
Kwadwo Asamoah 18 m €
Leonardo Bonucci 15,5 m €
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Mirko Vučinić 15 m €
Miloš Krasić 15 m €
Fabio Quagliarella 15 m €
Arturo Vidal 12,5 m € (10,5 fee + 2 bonus)
Jorge Andrés Martínez 12 m €
Sebastian Giovinco 11 m € (re-bought 50%)
Simone Pepe 10,1 m €
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Stephan Lichtsteiner 10 m €
Martín Cáceres 9,5 m €
Mauricio Isla 9,4 m € (co-own)
Eljero Elia 9 m €
Emanuele Giaccherini 7,25 m €
Manolo Gabbiadini 5,5 m € (co-own)
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Simone Padoin 5 m €
Marco Motta 5 m €
Federico Peluso 4,8 m €
Marco Storari 4,5 m €
Richmond Boakye 4 m € (co-own)
Nicola Leali 3,8 m €
Saphir Taïder 2,4 m € (co-own)
Alberto Masi 2,1 (re-bought 50%)
Gabriel Appelt 2 m €
Fausto Rossi 1,7 m € (re-bought 50%)
Marcel Buchel 1,5 m € (co-own)
Albin Ekdal 1,3 m € (re-bought 50%)
Alberto Gallinetta 1 m € (co-own)
Michele Cavion 1 m €
Andrea Barzagli 0,9 m € (0,3 fee + 0,6 bonus)
Stefano Beltrame 0,75 m € (re-bought 50%)
Francis Anacoura 0,75 m € (co-own)
Leandro Rinaudo 0,6 m € (loan)
Armand Traoré 0,5 m € (loan)
Marco Borriello 0,5 m € (loan)
Marcelo Estigarribia 0,5 m € (loan)
Ouasim Bouy 0,45 m €
Leonardo Spinazzola 0,4 m € (co-own)
Leonardo Bonatini 0,4 m € (loan)
José Cevallos 0,2 m € (loan)
Elvis Kabashi 0,15 m € (loan)
--------------------
Andrea Pirlo free
Nicolas Anelka free
Fernando Llorente free
Michele Pazienza free
Luca Toni free
Reto Ziegler free
Rubinho free
Lúcio free
Paul Pogba free
Alberto Aquilani free (loan)
Nicklas Bendtner free (loan)

TOTAL = 238,95 m €
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OUT:

Diego 15,5 m €
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Mohamed Sissoko 8 m € (7 fee+ 1 bonus)
Miloš Krasić 7 m €
Domenico Criscito 6 m € (sold the 50% that Juve owned)
Christian Poulsen 5,5 m €
Eljero Elia 5,5 m € (+2m potential bonus)
Albin Ekdal 5,1 m €
--------------------
Ciro Immobile 4 m € (co-own)
Sebastian Giovinco 4 m € (3 co-own + 1 loan)
Cristian Molinaro 3,9 m €
Lorenzo Ariaudo 3,8 m €
Felipe Melo 3,25 m € (loan)
Sergio Bernardo Almirón 2,9 m €
Frederik Sørensen 2,5 m € (co-own)
Saphir Taïder 2,35 m € (co-own)
James Troisi 2 m € (co-own)
Carlo Pinsoglio 1,5 m € (co-own)
Cristian Pasquato 1,5 m € (co-own)
Andrea Schiavone 1,5 m € (co-own)
Filippo Boniperti 1 m € (co-own)
Raman Chibsah 0,75 m € (co-own)
Nicolò Corticchia 0,6 m €
Tiago 0,5 m € (loan)
Amauri 0,5 m €
Alberto Libertazzi 0,45 m € (co-own)
Salvatore D'Elia 0,4 m €
Michele Pazienza 0,3 m €
Reto Ziegler 0,25 m € (loan)
--------------------
Antonio Chimenti free
Fabio Cannavaro free
Jonathan Zebina free
Mauro Germán Camoranesi free
David Trezeguet free
Nicola Legrottaglie free
Zdeněk Grygera free
Luca Toni free
Hasan Salihamidžić free
Alexander Manninger free
Fabio Grosso free
Alessandro Del Piero free
Lucio free

TOTAL = 89,85 m €


That's a minus of 149,1 m €.
When Marotta came to Juve, we were paying 115 m € on wages. He reduced it to 100 m € in 2010/11 and 2011/12, just to get it back to 115 m € last year. Lets count it simply, and take it that he saved us 30 m € on wages.
That more or less gives a grand total of ~120 m € to construct a team that won back to back scudetti. Not bad, nor great.

 

[napoleonic]

forget the issue of not getting that top striker, marotta can't even sell matri and quaq for a peanut.

 

[IrishZebra]

Team has added more that 140 million in value...

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forget the issue of not getting that top striker, marotta can't even sell matri and quaq for a peanut.

Because they are worth less than €10m each in reality.

 

[Gian]

Shouldn't Asamoah be valued at 18M? Last year we paid 9M and this year 9M right?

 

[Alen]

Shouldn't Asamoah be valued at 18M? Last year we paid 9M and this year 9M right?

He should be. I wasn't aware that we bought the other half. I only added Peluso and Llorente from this summer. Everything else is as of February 2013.
I'll change it.

 

[Vlad]

So he basically for 90M net managed to overhaul the team and make a club who finished 7th in 2010 a champion in 2 years time. Not bad.

 

[baggio]

So he basically for 90M net managed to overhaul the team and make a club who finished 7th in 2010 a champion in 2 years time. Not bad.

There we go again.

 

[Vlad]

There we go again.

You noticed how I completely disregarded Conte and his impact.


I knew you would caught the bait.

 

[-=DJANGO=-]

While I support the general view that Marotta shouldn't be compared to Galliani at this moment, there are some points in Cronios post that I agree with.
I would say this year /winter+summer market/ should be his final exam:
1. Ability to find suitors for and move less useful players at decent value.
2. Provide good squad players with cheap exchanges, find youngsters that can play a role in the short to medium term future or sign PROFITABLE co-ownerships or loans.
I would say he is 50/50 on this one as Pogba smells like Nedved/Raiola move and Peluso and Padoin were decent moves for Marotta and great for Conte. But we still have Martinez on our books almost singlehandedly costing our beloved GM a yellow card.
3. Sign the top striker. Lead us to the holy land or we will bury you in the desert and pick another 'Mouses'. The problem is identified and so popular even hockey mums and pitbulls in Alaska know about it. We have been dealing with it for almost 4 years and all we can show for is good intentions and driving like Bendtner.

We have a squad that offers the option for a Juve material GM to deliver on all three accounts.

 

[baggio]

All Marotta transfers in and out of Juve. Only the youngsters who came or left the club for free aren't included.

IN:
Alessandro Matri 18 m €
Kwadwo Asamoah 18 m €
Leonardo Bonucci 15,5 m €
--------------------
Mirko Vučinić 15 m €
Miloš Krasić 15 m €
Fabio Quagliarella 15 m €
Arturo Vidal 12,5 m € (10,5 fee + 2 bonus)
Jorge Andrés Martínez 12 m €
Sebastian Giovinco 11 m € (re-bought 50%)
Simone Pepe 10,1 m €
--------------------
Stephan Lichtsteiner 10 m €
Martín Cáceres 9,5 m €
Mauricio Isla 9,4 m € (co-own)
Eljero Elia 9 m €
Emanuele Giaccherini 7,25 m €
Manolo Gabbiadini 5,5 m € (co-own)
--------------------
Simone Padoin 5 m €
Marco Motta 5 m €
Federico Peluso 4,8 m €
Marco Storari 4,5 m €
Richmond Boakye 4 m € (co-own)
Nicola Leali 3,8 m €
Saphir Taïder 2,4 m € (co-own)
Alberto Masi 2,1 (re-bought 50%)
Gabriel Appelt 2 m €
Fausto Rossi 1,7 m € (re-bought 50%)
Marcel Buchel 1,5 m € (co-own)
Albin Ekdal 1,3 m € (re-bought 50%)
Alberto Gallinetta 1 m € (co-own)
Michele Cavion 1 m €
Andrea Barzagli 0,9 m € (0,3 fee + 0,6 bonus)
Stefano Beltrame 0,75 m € (re-bought 50%)
Francis Anacoura 0,75 m € (co-own)
Leandro Rinaudo 0,6 m € (loan)
Armand Traoré 0,5 m € (loan)
Marco Borriello 0,5 m € (loan)
Marcelo Estigarribia 0,5 m € (loan)
Ouasim Bouy 0,45 m €
Leonardo Spinazzola 0,4 m € (co-own)
Leonardo Bonatini 0,4 m € (loan)
José Cevallos 0,2 m € (loan)
Elvis Kabashi 0,15 m € (loan)
--------------------
Andrea Pirlo free
Nicolas Anelka free
Fernando Llorente free
Michele Pazienza free
Luca Toni free
Reto Ziegler free
Rubinho free
Lúcio free
Paul Pogba free
Alberto Aquilani free (loan)
Nicklas Bendtner free (loan)

TOTAL = 238,95 m €
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OUT:

Diego 15,5 m €
--------------------
Mohamed Sissoko 8 m € (7 fee+ 1 bonus)
Miloš Krasić 7 m €
Domenico Criscito 6 m € (sold the 50% that Juve owned)
Christian Poulsen 5,5 m €
Eljero Elia 5,5 m € (+2m potential bonus)
Albin Ekdal 5,1 m €
--------------------
Ciro Immobile 4 m € (co-own)
Sebastian Giovinco 4 m € (3 co-own + 1 loan)
Cristian Molinaro 3,9 m €
Lorenzo Ariaudo 3,8 m €
Felipe Melo 3,25 m € (loan)
Sergio Bernardo Almirón 2,9 m €
Frederik Sørensen 2,5 m € (co-own)
Saphir Taïder 2,35 m € (co-own)
James Troisi 2 m € (co-own)
Carlo Pinsoglio 1,5 m € (co-own)
Cristian Pasquato 1,5 m € (co-own)
Andrea Schiavone 1,5 m € (co-own)
Filippo Boniperti 1 m € (co-own)
Raman Chibsah 0,75 m € (co-own)
Nicolò Corticchia 0,6 m €
Tiago 0,5 m € (loan)
Amauri 0,5 m €
Alberto Libertazzi 0,45 m € (co-own)
Salvatore D'Elia 0,4 m €
Michele Pazienza 0,3 m €
Reto Ziegler 0,25 m € (loan)
--------------------
Antonio Chimenti free
Fabio Cannavaro free
Jonathan Zebina free
Mauro Germán Camoranesi free
David Trezeguet free
Nicola Legrottaglie free
Zdeněk Grygera free
Luca Toni free
Hasan Salihamidžić free
Alexander Manninger free
Fabio Grosso free
Alessandro Del Piero free
Lucio free

TOTAL = 89,85 m €


That's a minus of 149,1 m €.
When Marotta came to Juve, we were paying 115 m € on wages. He reduced it to 100 m € in 2010/11 and 2011/12, just to get it back to 115 m € last year. Lets count it simply, and take it that he saved us 30 m € on wages.
That more or less gives a grand total of ~120 m € to construct a team that won back to back scudetti. Not bad, nor great.

It's interesting to note that hes been able to sell only one player above 10m, that too a player he didn't buy. The other issue here is, that for all the money we have spent, we could and should have had a bit more quality on the squad. Some of this has been due to the lack of Marrotta's ability to prioritise purchases. Of course, with the 22m we have for the striker this season, that will change.

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You noticed how I completely disregarded Conte and his impact.


I knew you would caught the bait.

You're about to be inducted into the society. Farewell my friend.

 

[Salvatore]

It's interesting to note that hes been able to sell only one player above 10m, that too a player he didn't buy. The other issue here is, that for all the money we have spent, we could and should have had a bit more quality on the squad. Some of this has been due to the lack of Marrotta's ability to prioritise purchases. Of course, with the 22m we have for the striker this season, that will change.

How many of those players should he have sold for +€10m? Maybe Felipe Melo.

 

[ZoSo]

How many of those players should he have sold for +€10m? Maybe Felipe Melo.

Melo & Krasic. It is criminal what he's done with those players.

 

[Tommy]

So much of that co-own.

 

[baggio]

How many of those players should he have sold for +€10m? Maybe Felipe Melo.

Melo and Krasic for sure. Only 3 players sold for over 5m if we take away Diego. Even Trez should've fetched us something rather than loaning him out and paying his wages.

 

[Vlad]

Melo and Krasic for sure. Only 3 players sold for over 5m if we take away Diego. Even Trez should've fetched us something rather than loaning him out and paying his wages.

He was released.

 

[ZoSo]

What about Tiago, just gave him away for free and his contract didn't even expire.