Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
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yeah marotta wouldn´t have been able to complete this deal...
- balotelli is italian and a milan fan
- balotelli wanted out of city
- city had no interest in keeping him
- milan had a shitload of cash because they sold their two best players...

btw: i sometimes wonder how people like you think transfers happen or don´t happen...
e.g. higuain: like a hundred different sources stated that he have an agreement with the player and he is more than willing to join. so marotta makes an offer (let´s say 22mio), real demands more (let´s say 27mio)...
now what happens? do you think that agnelli and anybody else who has something to do with money at juventus says "27mio is no problem beppe, just pay it" and beppe answers "fuck no, i will offer 20mio".
just wondering. do think it goes like this every time?
:lol:
 

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Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
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When that report says 'heavily influenced by sales' do you guys feel we are going to sacrifise someone ? cos i dont think we'd net much from our deadwood.you know ,melo and the likes.
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,029
When that report says 'heavily influenced by sales' do you guys feel we are going to sacrifise someone ? cos i dont think we'd net much from our deadwood.you know ,melo and the likes.
I think neither Vidal or Marchisio will be sacrificed. Vucinic maybe. But we can recoup nice sum on some of our deadwood.
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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True, but the point is that Galliani has signed players Marotta cannot even dream at...
I'm sure Marotta could have signed Balotelli if he was in the same position at Milan.

Milan had the incredible good fortune to have absolutely everything fall perfectly into place to make it as easy as possible to sign a very good player.

Not often will you get the chance to sign a player as good as Balotelli where: the player is desperate to play for your club, because he is a fan and all his family and friends are based nearby; no-one else is seriously interested in signing him (and the player would reject them anyway); and the selling club are desperate to sell.

Frankly, I suspect I could have closed the deal if I was in charge of negotiations for Milan on that one.
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
There always going to be excuses, but the point is that Marotta never ever, did it, but Gallianni did so.
So untill Marotta ever completes such a deal, objectively, there is going to be a difference in class among them...
 

Roman

-'Tuz Fantasy Master-
Apr 19, 2003
10,778
When that report says 'heavily influenced by sales' do you guys feel we are going to sacrifise someone ? cos i dont think we'd net much from our deadwood.you know ,melo and the likes.
Let's see,since AA took over,along with Marotta and Conte:

11/12 mercato:
Transfers in: 104mil spent.(Mirko,Matri,Quag,Vidal,Licht,Elia,Giac,Pepe,Motta,Padoin,Caceres first payment)
Transfers out:20.5mil received.(Sorensen,Ziegler loan payment,Ekdal,Amauri,Sissoko,Gio,Almiron,Pinsoglio)
Total:-83.5mil.

12/13 mercato:
Tranfers in:65mil spent.(Leali,Gio,Caceres,Asa,Isla,Masi,Gabbiadini,Boakye,Peluso's loan payment)
Transfers out:24mil received.(Krasic,Ziegler and Melo loans,Elia,Pazienza,Immobile,Pasquato,Boniperti)
Total:-41mil

I think that after second Scudetto and CL money our position should be better.or at least the same.
So i think 70-80 mil to spend is possible.


-Jojo-20mil or/and Tevez-10mil
-Ogbonna-10mil
-Zuniga/Kolarov-10mil
-Berardi-5mil
-Diamanti 10mil or Nani 15mil
-Peluso -2.4mil
-Asa-3mil

70-80mil max.

And we should be able to sell Ziegler,Melo,Matri and maybe Quag without many problems.
DC,Motta and Martinez will be harder or impossible.
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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There always going to be excuses, but the point is that Marotta never ever, did it, but Gallianni did so.
So untill Marotta ever completes such a deal, objectively, there is going to be a difference in class among them...
Ah, 'excuses'.

If Galliani showed half the ability of Marotta to create a good team/squad - not just put together a few good forwards and hope for the best - I'd have a lot more time for the claims of his greatness.
 

frzl

Senior Member
Apr 15, 2006
3,718
There always going to be excuses, but the point is that Marotta never ever, did it, but Gallianni did so.
So untill Marotta ever completes such a deal, objectively, there is going to be a difference in class among them...
just :facepalm:
classic cronios. just ignore everything that has been said and repeat the same bullshit again :facepalm:
 

baggio

Senior Member
Jun 3, 2003
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I'm sure Marotta could have signed Balotelli if he was in the same position at Milan.

Milan had the incredible good fortune to have absolutely everything fall perfectly into place to make it as easy as possible to sign a very good player.

Not often will you get the chance to sign a player as good as Balotelli where: the player is desperate to play for your club, because he is a fan and all his family and friends are based nearby; no-one else is seriously interested in signing him (and the player would reject them anyway); and the selling club are desperate to sell.

Frankly, I suspect I could have closed the deal if I was in charge of negotiations for Milan on that one.
But then, so did the Ibra deal in many ways. I think it also has to do with the fact that Galliani closes deals a lot better and smoother. That maybe down to mentality, because he's been at a big club long enough to use his strengths to his advantage. He's a better negotiator too, and I think he hasn't done really badly in the oil club era. But again, it's unfair to compare the two though, coz Galliani is older and has more experience with working in Europe.
 

tosh_rose

Senior Member
Aug 21, 2010
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Still though, Marotta never did and never will buy a wanted player like Balotelli, NEVER in his carrier!
Which is not even a top player to begin with, just a highly advertised and overhyped player, but still way beyond Marotta's reach.

There is a huge difference in class from managers that regularly sign the Kakas, the Ronaldos and ronaldinhos and small time managers like Marotta that never secured a deal wich such high profile targets.

Of course Galliani is cack and he only accomplished what he did because of Berlus political influence and dirty money.
But even then, when he contacts an agent, his word demands some respect, as he has experience whith such transfers in his carrier, he has concluded a lot of them.
Even when everybody knows that Milan is now in a terrible situation, mush worse than we are, the managers and agents, respect him for his past deals.

On the other hand noone takes seriously Marotta, not even Italian clubs like Parma and Udinese, thats why we always overpay for our players, cant make a profit from sales and will never touch international high profile targets, as long as we have Marotta...
You seem like a really smart person. You must be a doctor or something..
 

Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
80,970
Ah, 'excuses'.

If Galliani showed half the ability of Marotta to create a good team/squad - not just put together a few good forwards and hope for the best - I'd have a lot more time for the claims of his greatness.
Quoted for truth.

Galliani the great signs Balotelli - but in the process loses Ibrahimovic, T.Silva and Pato for good measure.

Squad building and balance...who needs it?
 

napoleonic

Senior Member
Sep 7, 2010
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I'm sure Marotta could have signed Balotelli if he was in the same position at Milan.

Milan had the incredible good fortune to have absolutely everything fall perfectly into place to make it as easy as possible to sign a very good player.

Not often will you get the chance to sign a player as good as Balotelli where: the player is desperate to play for your club, because he is a fan and all his family and friends are based nearby; no-one else is seriously interested in signing him (and the player would reject them anyway); and the selling club are desperate to sell.

Frankly, I suspect I could have closed the deal if I was in charge of negotiations for Milan on that one.
that is the somewhat similar situation we have with jovetic now, however, marotta's cv doesn't inspire confidence in me or many people here at the very least, that is is able to do that, and that is the point of all this.

then he's always managed to waste precious money on someone that ended up being deadwood.

and why is it I wonder that we are unable to sell matri/quaq for even something like 5m each? if we are so desperate on getting quality attacker, yet we also need money booster for like just 10m to bring someone, why can't we just do that? the excuse that nobody in italy able to afford 5m forward is pretty much ridiculous, I bet the likes of parma, catania should be able to fund 5m fee; in this case you can also say it's part marotta's job to convince them and their agent to leave, again, the excuse that they do not want to switch to a smaller side is ridiculous, that kind of thing is very normal in the history of football, it has become like law of nature and the law of nature doesn't change.

oh, another excuse like, their performance has been abysmal? well then... there you go, that's another excuse isn't it? isn't that proof enough? we could always find another excuse.
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
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Ah, 'excuses'.

If Galliani showed half the ability of Marotta to create a good team/squad - not just put together a few good forwards and hope for the best - I'd have a lot more time for the claims of his greatness.
Mila's transfer strategy is largely affected by Berlu's policies, Galliani is just the tool to complete the deals.
If Berlu wants Italians to stress out his nationalistic pride for political reasons, Galliani must sign those crappy Italian defenders he can.
If he want an immediate easy victory for the coming election, the fan favorite Ballo needs to come asap.

To assemble the team is far more complex than that, to make the tools work and fit, to get the better of them, those are mostly the coaches field of expertise and responsebilities.

We do not judge the transfer directors over the performances of the teams.
The transfer directors jobs end once the season starts.
The work of the transfer director is to make those transfer, get the players the team need, he is responsible for their injuries performance etc.

Ex Balotelli was a prized asset, overhyped in the Italian media, in great form, young wanted, there was huge interest and competition for him.
Galliani got him right there, this is smth that MArotta has never achived in his carrier.

It doesnt really matter if Balotelli would score 30 goals, or gets injured in the first 5minutes and lose the rest of the season.
The transfer director should take full praise for signing such a hard get target, he has done his job, brought exctly what they asked him to get.
If the coach uses him as a keeper, it is not the transfers director fault he didnt perfrom either.

For ex if MArotta sisgn the most wanted player of the moment, Messi and C ronaldo.
They are at their best, with a great consistency, they have great stats and performance, even if their plane crashes on their way to Turin, MArotta sould take full credit for signing us the best players a transfer manager could have signed.

Marotta has never bought such a high profile target, never did, never will.
It is absurd to have a blind faith in each and every transfer window and then create lame excuses and blame everything alse but him when he fails to deliver.
I am just stating tha fact that Marotta has never signed such a high profile target as Higuain and Cavani are at the moment, in his entire carrier.
Because i have seen him trying before and failing (DZeko, RVP for ex) i reach in the logical conclusion that he is unable to do it, either by beinf to inexperienced or simply, incompetent.


And we have ppl making excuses for him and attack anyone who is simply reminding the fact that he never did it before and chances are that he wont do it now either.
We dont need excuses, we need results!
We need him to deliver and get us what we want!

Marotta has failed to get us what we want with consistency, the previous coaches could not compensate and ranked us 7th twice in a row.
Conte managed to compansate and made us champions twice in a row.
This prooves beyond any doubt that there is only an indirect relation by MArotta's success in the transfer market and the overall performance of the team.
Last year for ex, i made the claim that we could have win the this year champiosnhip even wihout any transfer and by only brining some of our youngsters back for depth.
We could have saved at least half of the money we have invested last year add it to this transfer budget and get the key players we need to get us to the next player.

Marotta just did more of the same, shared the money around, failed to buy again a prolific finisher, a starter CB to rotate and a starter LB who is not a liability.
He added depth and more dpeth, taking more opportunity targets and now some are giving him credit for taking those opportunity targets, simply because he could, ignoring the fact that he only did it to appeal fansand directors, for not being able to get accomplish his targets. and then because of conte he gets more undeserved credit for Conte's work.
Despite Conte playing ith huge handicaps because MArotta cannot do his job and sign the players we need.

MArotta asked for more and better defenders, MArotta failed to bring any, Conte is forced to adapt and change the formation in order to play without a LB and use two fallbacks and 3 midfleielders to further support the defence, at the expense of the tactics and options he had in mind.
And MArotta then takes the credit for making a champions team.

Conte asked for wingers better than Pepe esp at the left flank, MArotta could nothing better than Martinez and Elia and Giaccherini, Conte is forced to play Marchishio or a turn a CM of a left LWB, MArotta takes credit for the acquisition.

Conte asks for a prolific finisher, Marotta brings us Borriello, Bendtner and Anelka, our teams if forced to control the game in an exausting fashion that we create chances for 70/90' and allow them none, so that our SSs, CMS and CBs somehow happen to score one of our trillion chances. Marotta takes credit for the total number of goals we have scored.

This is beyond ridiculous, conte threatended to leave unless the boar dguarantess that the team will be strenghtened with quality players and not with random opportunity targets,
the board somehow has made that promised and pursuaded him to extend, but MArotta is still here failing, only because he got all that undeserved credit.
This madness needs to stop! It is hurting our team in the long run, we could do more with conte, we need to stop wasting seasons beacuse of MArotta's inefficiences, no matter if conte can compensate ot nor!
 

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