Giuseppe Marotta (75 Viewers)

[Vlad]

matri/quag? we will find a zenit for them...

Only they seem foolish to put a decent offer. Hopefully it materializes.

I'm expecting at least one good youngster in our starting XI within the next 5 years.

Me to. We have some potential there. Beltrame left a good impression on me.

 

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[Zacheryah]

matri/quag? we will find a zenit for them...

It sounds to good to be true

I'm expecting at least one good youngster in our starting XI within the next 5 years.

id like if we finally get a quality attacker from it, rather then defenders and midfielders

 

[Hydde]

If they are absolute crap like most of our youngsters bar marchisio were the last decade, then yes.

However, we signed considerably better talent, so that should get us some gems

Thats another thing that i just cannot understand eentirely...


How come Spain raise a bunch of Juanitos and Pepitos... give them continuity and first team football...and suddenly they become world stars...with almost 3 times the development of italians youngsters..

On the other hand..... in Italy...98% of youngsters "are all crap and must play in serie B until rerirement" ?. I just cant believe that. italy is missmanaging youngsters in EXTREMES. I just cannot believe "the amount of crap the italians youth ranks are producing" is the final result. WHy? because im pretty sure that in the last 10 years.... to not go so far... italian teams have led true gems rot in the darkness or simply dissapear.... because of the stupid policy they have when treating young boys.


Just look at what happened todayin the U21 final. Total ownage.

We should sincerely pay much more attention to the likes of marrone, gabiadini, inmobile, padovan Bokuyoeie and the likes.

At leats give them chances instead of the benders, borrielos and anelkas who have no furute with us in any way.

 

[Zacheryah]

matri/quag? we will find a zenit for them...

Thats another thing that i just cannot understand eentirely...


How come Spain raise a bunch of Juanitos and Pepitos... give them continuity and first team football...and suddenly they become world stars...with almost 3 times the development of italians youngsters..

On the other hand..... in Italy...98% of youngsters "are all crap and must play in serie B until rerirement" ?. I just cant believe that. italy is missmanaging youngsters in EXTREMES. I just cannot believe "the amount of crap the italians youth ranks are producing" is the final result. WHy? because im pretty sure that in the last 10 years.... to not go so far... italian teams have led true gems rot in the darkness or simply dissapear.... because of the stupid policy they have when treating young boys.


Just look at what happened todayin the U21 final. Total ownage.

We should sincerely pay much more attention to the likes of marrone, gabiadini, inmobile, padovan Bokuyoeie and the likes.

At leats give them chances instead of the benders, borrielos and anelkas who have no furute with us in any way.

talent allways comes up. and quite frankly, it didnt do much so far. After the del piero generation, we had a gigantic shortage of talent. The verratti generation seems much more promising tho. about goddamn time

 

[Vlad]

Thats another thing that i just cannot understand eentirely...


How come Spain raise a bunch of Juanitos and Pepitos... give them continuity and first team football...and suddenly they become world stars...with almost 3 times the development of italians youngsters..

On the other hand..... in Italy...98% of youngsters "are all crap and must play in serie B until rerirement" ?. I just cant believe that. italy is missmanaging youngsters in EXTREMES. I just cannot believe "the amount of crap the italians youth ranks are producing" is the final result. WHy? because im pretty sure that in the last 10 years.... to not go so far... italian teams have led true gems rot in the darkness or simply dissapear.... because of the stupid policy they have when treating young boys.


Just look at what happened todayin the U21 final. Total ownage.

We should sincerely pay much more attention to the likes of marrone, gabiadini, inmobile, padovan Bokuyoeie and the likes.

At leats give them chances instead of the benders, borrielos and anelkas who have no furute with us in any way.

 

[Red]

The problem is that there isnt a market for the strikers we want to offload

outside italy ? no one+they dont want to

Inside italy ? aint got no money for that

That's something that is frequently overlooked when critiquing Marotta's selling ability.

Comes down to Serie A being significantly weaker/poorer than it once was.

 

[Zacheryah]

exactly

When you think about it, the teams that could actually afford his fee, have better players

 

[Red]

Well, they think they have better players.

 

[Zacheryah]

Now you are just giving anti beppe people a reason to argue beppe cannot sell lies about a team regarding a player who's near 30 and played all life in italy :tongue:

 

[napoleonic]

we can't spend more than 22m in a single player, yet we spent 11m for giovinco, 9m for asamoah and 9.4m for isla and they said, we can't and won't spend 30m on higuain/jojo while getting freebies backups

logic blown

and oh wait, all of fucking that shit? we CANNOT sell

next, they will say : WE CANNOT BUY HIGUAIN/JOJO FOR 30m EVEN AFTER WE SELL QUAQ AND MATRI FOR BOTH 7-10M, WHY? BECAUSE OF THE CORTINESSA PROJECT, so WE CANNOT BUY ANYONE OVER 22m

logic? where are you?

 

[Zacheryah]

its all explained in the last 5 pages


yet you repeat yourself.

 

[Catenaccio]

Moggi sais a lot of nonsense these days but I wholeheartedly agree on one thing he sais constantly: "Juventus needs to sell first".

There are a lot of players we have that can yield us some transfer $ but we can't seem to manage it. Matri, Melo, Quags, and Ziegler should at least in theory give us 25-30m in funds. Surely that is enough to land a 30m world class striker to partner Llorente. If you want 2 world class forwards, then you have to sell Vucinic and/or Giovinco. Sell both and thats another 25m. Thats 50m to spend on 2 world class strikers. If that happened, we would have 3 strikers and bring in someone like Gabbiadini, Immobile or Boakye to make up the numbers.

The problem is that players like Matri and Quags wouldn't make the first team (and may struggle to make the bench) of most of Europe's top 10-15 clubs. You will find that clubs outside of those would struggle to pay more than 7m for any player.

 

[napoleonic]

its all explained in the last 5 pages


yet you repeat yourself.

Moggi sais a lot of nonsense these days but I wholeheartedly agree on one thing he sais constantly: "Juventus needs to sell first".

There are a lot of players we have that can yield us some transfer $ but we can't seem to manage it. Matri, Melo, Quags, and Ziegler should at least in theory give us 25-30m in funds. Surely that is enough to land a 30m world class striker to partner Llorente. If you want 2 world class forwards, then you have to sell Vucinic and/or Giovinco. Sell both and thats another 25m. Thats 50m to spend on 2 world class strikers. If that happened, we would have 3 strikers and bring in someone like Gabbiadini, Immobile or Boakye to make up the numbers.

The problem is that players like Matri and Quags wouldn't make the first team (and may struggle to make the bench) of most of Europe's top 10-15 clubs. You will find that clubs outside of those would struggle to pay more than 7m for any player.

and THIS is what you should look at, mr. realist and all other marotta apologists!

we can raise some funds, if marotta have any competence

selling matri and quaq should at least net us 10m excluding the wage freed, then there is 3m iaquinta wage freed and then there is pepe and all others who can be used to raise funds

as galliani said "we are fine as we are", in juve case, we are indeed fine as we are, selling all those useless players won't weaken us

in the end, I'd settle for giovinco, vucinic, llorente, higuain/jovetic, youth forward, pepe/isla forward lineup that can fill both 3-5-2 and 4-3-3 formation

that can be achieved with just 30m total and that is realistic, and I'd be satisfied at this point even if we only get some freebies backups

 

[Buck Fuddy]

how does this cancel anything i said?

For one, it cancels the (urgent) need for a renewal.

One step forward to become European powerhouse again.

But the thing is: people do not want to take steps. They want it right now, preferably by spending as much money as possible.

 

[ZoSo]

But the thing is: people do not want to take steps. They want it right now, preferably by spending as much money as possible.

Yes, buying a 12m Tevez or 25m Higuain is spending as much money as possible and certainly isn't reasonable only because our DS probably isn't capable of making the signing on his own.

 

[Zacheryah]

Moggi sais a lot of nonsense these days but I wholeheartedly agree on one thing he sais constantly: "Juventus needs to sell first".

There are a lot of players we have that can yield us some transfer $ but we can't seem to manage it. Matri, Melo, Quags, and Ziegler should at least in theory give us 25-30m in funds. Surely that is enough to land a 30m world class striker to partner Llorente. If you want 2 world class forwards, then you have to sell Vucinic and/or Giovinco. Sell both and thats another 25m. Thats 50m to spend on 2 world class strikers. If that happened, we would have 3 strikers and bring in someone like Gabbiadini, Immobile or Boakye to make up the numbers.

The problem is that players like Matri and Quags wouldn't make the first team (and may struggle to make the bench) of most of Europe's top 10-15 clubs. You will find that clubs outside of those would struggle to pay more than 7m for any player.

and THIS is what you should look at, mr. realist and all other marotta apologists!

we can raise some funds, if marotta have any competence

selling matri and quaq should at least net us 10m excluding the wage freed, then there is 3m iaquinta wage freed and then there is pepe and all others who can be used to raise funds

as galliani said "we are fine as we are", in juve case, we are indeed fine as we are, selling all those useless players won't weaken us

in the end, I'd settle for giovinco, vucinic, llorente, higuain/jovetic, youth forward, pepe/isla forward lineup that can fill both 3-5-2 and 4-3-3 formation

that can be achieved with just 30m total and that is realistic, and I'd be satisfied at this point even if we only get some freebies backups

Id you cannot read what red and me said above about selling players , then you both are truely ignorant or retarded.


so tell me, AFTER YOU READ IT, who would you sell to ?

 

[Buck Fuddy]

Yes, buying a 12m Tevez or 25m Higuain is spending as much money as possible and certainly isn't reasonable only because our DS probably isn't capable of making the signing on his own.

Hey, if we only had to pay for the transfer fee, we could have gotten them both by now. Sadly, that's not how it works. And there's really no point in going over the financial situation anymore. Since people just pick what they want or don't want to believe anyway. Besides, for those who really want to know the situation, there are more than enough facts out there.

That's not my point though. People don't care for the long term anymore. They want it all & they want it now. And that's not just a football (fan) thing.

 

[ZoSo]

Hey, if we only had to pay for the transfer fee, we could have gotten them both by now. Sadly, that's not how it works. And there's really no point in going over the financial situation anymore. Since people just pick what they want or don't want to believe anyway. Besides, for those who really want to know the situation, there are more than enough facts out there.

That's not my point though. People don't care for the long term anymore. They want it all & they want it now. And that's not just a football (fan) thing.

They get paid wages? Contrary to popular belief, Juventus is not as poor as some would have you believe and buying one player would not damage us in the long term. You're just putting words in people's mouths.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

They get paid wages? Contrary to popular belief, Juventus is not as poor as some would have you believe and buying one player would not damage us in the long term. You're just putting words in people's mouths.

It's not even about being poor or not, in the short term. I'm well aware of our current financial situation. And I have also formed a personal opinion (based on the facts that are out there) on what we can or can not do, taking into consideration how we tend to operate. And, for what it's worth, the arrival of "il top player" is definitly possible, but ONLY when it's on our terms. Boundaries have been set within which we operate, and I do believe they are in line with our actual financial capabilities.
Regardless, it's not my problem if people rather believe random stuff in the media as opposed to the facts that are available to anyone who's interested.

As for one player not damaging us, that depends on how you see it. I'd say Melo did a lot of damage (we're still feeling it). Same for Iaquinta & Amauri, to some extent.

 

[ZoSo]

As for one player not damaging us, that depends on how you see it. I'd say Melo did a lot of damage (we're still feeling it). Same for Iaquinta & Amauri, to some extent.

We had a bigger wage bill then with worse squad results and lower income. So I don't think Tevez/Higuain etc would damage us in the long term to the point of where the squad needs an overhaul...