ZoSo

Senior Member
Jul 11, 2011
41,656
The moment you agree with cronios, is the moment you know you have gone so far beyond retarded, that there is no hope.

Has your unfulfilled lust for a new player, with total disregard of the financial and economical situation, brought you so far out of reality ?

I feel sorry for you
That's really nice of you. You always come across as such a gentleman, and if I were to agree you then surely I must get some of intellect and financial award, right?
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
Damn, you must be one hell of a business man then.
Hell yes i am. We currently got 2 new master projects running about a concept i made my bachelor graduating thesis about last year.
The entire concept is based around a MUCH more cost efficient way to remove nitrogen based compounds out of industrial wastewater.
WHile as a bachelor thesis, you are a bit limited, the more in dept master projects, confirm the viablity and cost efficiency of the project.


Was that a response to your question ? probably not, but i felt like saying it other way

Cost-efficiency :heart:

You're one to talk
Fantastic reply.

Normally one would expect a detailed list of why he had a diffrent opinion and what it should be.
But that would be expecting to much from someone like you :tup:
 

ZoSo

Senior Member
Jul 11, 2011
41,656
Fantastic reply.

Normally one would expect a detailed list of why he had a diffrent opinion and what it should be.
But that would be expecting to much from someone like you :tup:
That's rich.

Ignorance ?

You are posting some stuff from a freshmen point of view, while Jay and zebra were providing actual financial analysis

i wonder who i should listen to
Seems that the more a person knows about how finances at business level work, the more he respects marotta's work, and the less he knows, the more he hates.

Nothing new
One thing that i notice in this thread is.

Negative minded people, state some vague or incomplete facts

Positive minded people, have finance based facts, that are complete, and cannot be contradicted, as illustrated by juvejay and zebra above.



I'll add one more thing. This is a business, "saving up money" is actually VERY BAD. Why, cause of taxes. Its allways better to invest money, primarly because of taxes.
Stop acting like a dumbass. We need a stand in for asamoah. 4 mil is a reasonable price. deal with it.

Seriously, why do people like you act like they are on their worst fucking bloody infesting period ever when we buy a stand in player, or a free backup.
Lack of knowledge ?
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It is known.



Aye, it is known.
:lol:
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,029
It's been covered multiple times. Nothing to do with Marotta doesn't want to spend. Power is divided in Juve. For big transfers he needs to get Agnelli's acceptance. And latter one for even biger one probably Elkan's. They have responsabilities to shareholders.
About 22M well nobody can't say exactly but rummaging through reports and looking at certain indirect costs like amortization, every big purchase would undoubtedly increase that specific figure even more reducing our chances to become profitable in the end.
Elkan specifically said couple of weeks ago that financial results should follow good sporting results achieved this season.
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
Please share how we can't not spend more than 22m..
Oh that's right.. we don't want to get into bidding wars.
There is a big difference between CAN and DON'T WANT TO
The continessa project.

We have loaned the ground for x amount of years, with the rule to invest 65 million (iirc) into it.
We want to start working on it, as soon as possible.
Wich is good, since the finished project, will generate alot of extra cash for us, like the stadium is currently, like what madrid does.

Now the problem is that funding off all them millions.

Its a construction based loan, so you need to upfront a percentage of the total sum.

Juventus doesnt have much liquid money at the end of the season. Much will go into this.

For those reasons, we need to pay the deals in installments. But it also means we have a tigher budged on top players.

There is a reason why our management (that includes agnelli) refuses to snatch Higuain at reals asking price. They'll do anything to lower the demand under 25 mil

Zach, where do you get this €22m number from?
as explained above

That's really nice of you. You always come across as such a gentleman, and if I were to agree you then surely I must get some of intellect and financial award, right?
No, agreeing with me while thinking something else, would make you a bandwagonner, wich i despise.

While i react violently over voidless claims you make about marotta, i have nothing personal against you and respect you like any other person.
I wouldnt do that if you'd bandwagon

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It's been covered multiple times. Nothing to do with Marotta doesn't want to spend. Power is divided in Juve. For big transfers he needs to get Agnelli's acceptance. And latter one for even biger one probably Elkan's. They have responsabilities to shareholders.
About 22M well nobody can't say exactly but rummaging through reports and looking at certain indirect costs like amortization, every big purchase would undoubtedly increase that specific figure even more reducing our chances to become profitable in the end.
exactly. add to that the liquid money that goes up in the continessa investment, and you dont have much room left for a big purchase.
 

JuveJay

Senior Signor
Moderator
Mar 6, 2007
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I'm not sure how you can be as definitive as that. In my opinion paying €25m rather than €22m is no real issue, but I don't expect us to be near €30m cash for players if that is what the clubs are asking. That's essentially double our previous high amount under this regime.
 

ZoSo

Senior Member
Jul 11, 2011
41,656
It's been covered multiple times. Nothing to do with Marotta doesn't want to spend. Power is divided in Juve. For big transfers he needs to get Agnelli's acceptance. And latter one for even biger one probably Elkan's. They have responsabilities to shareholders.
About 22M well nobody can't say exactly but rummaging through reports and looking at certain indirect costs like amortization, every big purchase would undoubtedly increase that specific figure even more reducing our chances to become profitable in the end.
Considering how it's known we offered 32m for Aguero, ~25m for RVP in the past and we probably have even more money with less players to buy, I don't think it's too hard to realise that we can definitely spend more than 22m on one player. I'm not going to say exact figures because none of us no, but I'm quite certain we could spend more than 22m on one player if we want to. Wages would obviously play a part but at the players we're looking at now that doesn't seem to be an issue. Besides Tevez, but his transfer fee would be much lower anyway so it would even out.
 

baggio

Senior Member
Jun 3, 2003
19,250
Could you name any Secco players worth keeping? Even one I was doubtful over at the time has proved to be a good sell now, the squad's core and best performing players were still Moggi's work throughout the seasons the previous management was in charge, what does that say about them? The few that did put in a period of good performances (eg Iaquinta, Sissoko) either declined or were struck by a few injuries and then declined. There are clear ideas in this Juve compared to the last one, not hard to see why many players have been told where to go as they clearly don't fit in, players that lock the president in the toilet or act selfishly enough to stop trying in a derby match. The sale that made no sense was Trezeguet and it still looks like a stupid decision, I was pretty big on Cáceres staying as well and Beppe was kind enough to return him to Turin. Redesigning the squad in a short period was worth it in the end, even if there were a number of questionable decisions along the way.
This is not a comparison between Secco and Marrota's work. For me, I was talking about prirotizing the way we spent our money. Even with the squad Secco built, there were bigger priorities than spending as freely without accounting for the impact areas. Injury could've brought bad luck, sure, but the way to have brought that team forward, at least in my opinion was consolidating the areas according to the formation the new coach wanted to play which was the 442.

Again, the clarity of the ideas, I'd like to attribute a bit more to Conte's influence, simply because that's how he built his team. According to the formation. Getting the right players even when we couldn't get the big ones. That's something we missed in Marrotta's first season. Trezeguet was initially loaned and we paid a large part of his wages while he played elsewhere, even the Caceres deal, the player was sent back in a season we could've actually used him. We not only lost the loan amount we paid that year, but anyway came back to loan and buy him again, I think because Conte wanted him knowing and seeing the player at his first season at Juve. Honestly, it's very hard to say how it would've gone with Diego as hindsight is 20/20. For me, he was a good player and could've grown into whatever role under the right guidance. I actually rated him very highly at the time and as far as I remember he was sold against his and Del Neri's wishes a the coach had categorically mentioned he would work in his formation.
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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I'm not sure how you can be as definitive as that. In my opinion paying €25m rather than €22m is no real issue, but I don't expect us to be near €30m cash for players if that is what the clubs are asking. That's essentially double our previous high amount under this regime.
Don't be an ignorant peasant with no understanding of finances. Have you ever taken any finance classes or what? We can't go above 22 million.

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Considering how it's known we offered 32m for Aguero, ~25m for RVP in the past and we probably have even more money with less players to buy, I don't think it's too hard to realise that we can definitely spend more than 22m on one player. I'm not going to say exact figures because none of us no, but I'm quite certain we could spend more than 22m on one player if we want to. Wages would obviously play a part but at the players we're looking at now that doesn't seem to be an issue. Besides Tevez, but his transfer fee would be much lower anyway so it would even out.
:howler: that's what you think
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,029
Considering how it's known we offered 32m for Aguero, ~25m for RVP in the past and we probably have even more money with less players to buy, I don't think it's too hard to realise that we can definitely spend more than 22m on one player. I'm not going to say exact figures because none of us no, but I'm quite certain we could spend more than 22m on one player if we want to. Wages would obviously play a part but at the players we're looking at now that doesn't seem to be an issue. Besides Tevez, but his transfer fee would be much lower anyway so it would even out.
It's not known. Only speculated.
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
Considering how it's known we offered 32m for Aguero, ~25m for RVP in the past and we probably have even more money with less players to buy, I don't think it's too hard to realise that we can definitely spend more than 22m on one player. I'm not going to say exact figures because none of us no, but I'm quite certain we could spend more than 22m on one player if we want to. Wages would obviously play a part but at the players we're looking at now that doesn't seem to be an issue. Besides Tevez, but his transfer fee would be much lower anyway so it would even out.
Dont you ever fucking read anything ?
CONTINESSA PROJECT

We cant spend as much on a single player as back then, and we never even offered 25 mil for RVP, that was pure media bullshit.

Don't be an ignorant peasant with no understanding of finances. Have you ever taken any finance classes or what? We can't go above 22 million.
Dont confuse juveJay with peasants like you please. Dont you know your place in society ?

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It's not known. Only speculated.
That is his biggest problem. He bases every opinion on what he reads in the media.
 

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