Giuseppe Marotta (168 Viewers)

[IliveForJuve]

Not that it matters, but there's a slight difference between (having) an idea and agreeing with everyone involved & acting on it.

If people really think hiring Conte was the decision of one man (against all others), then that just goes to show how clueless most fans are. And that doesn't even have anything to do with Agnelli coming up with the Conte idea first.

I'm sure most members don't think like that.

On the other hand, denying or discrediting Agnelli's role in the appointment of Conte shows how clueless people can be.

 

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[Jem83]

@Jem83

 

[Zacheryah]

I think Del Neri made a pretty good go of it with the team he had, playing Marchisio out wide left because of the absence of a proper lw. The team if you remember, was fighting for second with Quag on fire. Up until Quagliarella's injury, we were in the race for a top 3 finish but that's only coz he was pretty much carrying the attack that otherwise had the ever dependable Del Piero, Amauri and Iaquinta. Can't just blame Luigi alone for the failure of an imbalanced squad at his disposal. Martinez was the option for both SS and Lw that year if IIRC, while we loaned out Giovinco for 3.5m.
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Just how ignorant are you

 

[ZoSo]

Just how ignorant are you

Quag's injury and Melo's bans really fucked us. Del Neri wasn't a great coach but we didn't have the best of luck either. We were 5th before the infamous Parma match. We were 3rd and 2nd for a few rounds too just before that.

 

[Nzoric]

Quag's injury and Melo's bans really fucked us. Del Neri wasn't a great coach but we didn't have the best of luck either. We were 5th before the infamous Parma match. We were 3rd and 2nd for a few rounds too just before that.

We we're nr. 1 at the winter break.

 

[Zacheryah]

Marotta gave del neri a good enough team. Del Neri's tactics got found out however, krasic fantastic start got shut down very hard, and when quag went out, marotta gifted him matri , barzagli and toni.

Yet while matri scored a simular amount to quag, juventus slipped down to 7th place.

Del Neri has failed to coach a team that isnt counterattacking. Nearly every average player under Del Neri was suddenly exploding under conte.

Yeah, conte's impact. But also marotta's players proved to be very good signings.

 

[Salvatore]

Can Delneri's coaching methods be blamed for the injury crisis that occurred at Juve? All the muscular injuries.

 

[Zacheryah]

Injuries to the attack. Yet the replacement attackers did fine.

However we got so many goals against, lost so many games.

Just think that ranieri had a worse defence and won twice against real madrid

 

[Oz_Bianconero88]

The diving ban really screwed with Krasic's head (after which we never saw his real best again), not to mention his one dimensional attacking style was found out and promptly countered, Quag's injury definitely hurt our momentum, our full-back situation was a shambled and playing Marchisio at LM was a complete farce.

I'm not going to completely crush Del Neri, he did a good job to stay in the hunt against a then far more powerful Milan (who won that scudetto) and Inter (who were coming off a treble season). However, he was tactically inflexible and failed to come up with methods and strategies to work through our injury crisis and lack of form. in saying that though, it did appear to me at least, that he got an awful lot out of ADP, Toni and especially Matri given team morale was practically non-existent at the time..

In hindsight, should we have not bothered with Martinez or Krasic and just kept Giovinco, Camo and Diego (and possibly Caceres). That team would have made a great 4-3-1-2 or 4-3-3 playing Melo, Aqua and Marchisio in the CM positions.

 

[baggio]

But yet, Baggio, they still had players such as Inzaghi and later Trezeguet in their prime when they finished 7th in 98-99, and 2nd in 99-00, and 00-01. So, who was to blame for that at the time? And although Del Piero being injured in that first season was indeed crushing, they had the talent there. Especially a certain player whose initials are ZZ

You're saying it yourself. We had the quality. I wouldnt blame Moggi for Del Piero's injury or throwing the title away on the last day against Perugia the following season, a championship we were leading by 9 points at one stage that season. Finishing second was not his failure as much as it was Ancellotti's.

It's like saying Marrotta gets Conte, Jojo and Higuain and if we don't win the league, then that's the coach's failure. Just like when Conte won with a team that was built to make the top 3-4. That's the coach's success IMO.

Not that it matters, but there's a slight difference between (having) an idea and agreeing with everyone involved & acting on it.

If people really think hiring Conte was the decision of one man (against all others), then that just goes to show how clueless most fans are. And that doesn't even have anything to do with Agnelli coming up with the Conte idea first.

Why doesn't it matter?! Do you really think the president needs to run his idea by people before taking a call? He wouldn't have interviewed Conte himself if that was the case. Please give credit where its due.

Quag's injury and Melo's bans really fucked us. Del Neri wasn't a great coach but we didn't have the best of luck either. We were 5th before the infamous Parma match. We were 3rd and 2nd for a few rounds too just before that.

We we're nr. 1 at the winter break.

Like I said, Del Neri was actually making a go of it. The team and its lack of balance was exposed with Quag's injury.

Marotta gave del neri a good enough team. Del Neri's tactics got found out however, krasic fantastic start got shut down very hard, and when quag went out, marotta gifted him matri , barzagli and toni.

Yet while matri scored a simular amount to quag, juventus slipped down to 7th place.

Del Neri has failed to coach a team that isnt counterattacking. Nearly every average player under Del Neri was suddenly exploding under conte.

Yeah, conte's impact. But also marotta's players proved to be very good signings.

Yea, I'm the ignorant one.

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I'm sure most members don't think like that.

On the other hand, denying or discrediting Agnelli's role in the appointment of Conte shows how clueless people can be.

I don't get it either. It's almost like they're in denial.

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I think that it is safe to say that in regards to Conte, regardless of who actually hired him, that Juve lucked out on that as well, for all the talk about how lucky Juve were with certain players.


I remember full well that a lot of people, and not just including the obvious ones on this forum, were very concerned about whether he could make the step up. Everybody was hoping that he could, but his resume wasn't exactly spectacular coming into this job, with his greatest achievements being bringing two Serie B teams into promotion

Hell ya. Totally agreed. We may credit Agnelli for it today, but at the time it was a bad call. Given what we had just experienced with Ferrara the year prior, Juve needed a bit more of a guarantee, than a young, unproven coach.

If anyone thought things would turn out the way they did they're clearly mistaken.

 

[Zacheryah]

The fact alone that we are in such position that we are the ONLY team in italy that can keep his stars no matter who comes around for them, is a masterfull indication of Marotta's great work.

Inter ? Milan ? Roma ?

Look where they were when Marotta came around, and look now. Pathetic in comparison to us.

Marotta should be carried on hands by every juventini with a functional brain

 

[KB824]

You're saying it yourself. We had the quality. I wouldnt blame Moggi for Del Piero's injury or throwing the title away on the last day against Perugia the following season, a championship we were leading by 9 points at one stage that season. Finishing second was not his failure as much as it was Ancellotti's.

It's like saying Marrotta gets Conte, Jojo and Higuain and if we don't win the league, then that's the coach's failure. Just like when Conte won with a team that was built to make the top 3-4. That's the coach's success IMO.

Why doesn't it matter?! Do you really think the president needs to run his idea by people before taking a call? He wouldn't have interviewed Conte himself if that was the case. Please give credit where its due.





Like I said, Del Neri was actually making a go of it. The team and its lack of balance was exposed with Quag's injury.



Yea, I'm the ignorant one.

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I don't get it either. It's almost like they're in denial.

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Hell ya. Totally agreed. We may credit Agnelli for it today, but at the time it was a bad call. Given what we had just experienced with Ferrara the year prior, Juve needed a bit more of a guarantee, than a young, unproven coach.

If anyone thought things would turn out the way they did they're clearly mistaken.

Then in that case, Lippi should get most of the credit when he came back, should he not?

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As I am sitting here and looking back on all of this, I realize that we are all arguing about a club that has just won consecutive scudetti and made the Final 8 of the champions league, three years removed froma second consecutive 7th place finish.


Think about this for a second, for everyone arguing over the fact that we supporters have a ferrari in the garage, while most of the other teams in serie a have a 1974 Fiat 500.


How would you like to be a Pescara fan right about now

 

[baggio]

Then in that case, Lippi should get most of the credit when he came back, should he not?

..... Thuram, Nedved, Gigi Buffon?!

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As I am sitting here and looking back on all of this, I realize that we are all arguing about a club that has just won consecutive scudetti and made the Final 8 of the champions league, three years removed froma second consecutive 7th place finish.

Think about this for a second, for everyone arguing over the fact that we supporters have a ferrari in the garage, while most of the other teams in serie a have a 1974 Fiat 500.

How would you like to be a Pescara fan right about now

I think all of us are extremely grateful to be here. Nobody denies the story of coming through a free fall. The argument I think stems from who different people want to credit as the catalyst of our success.

 

[Zacheryah]

Marotta Conte Agnelli

In that order

 

[baggio]

Conte, Agnelli, Marrotta for me.

 

[ZoSo]

Marotta above Conte? you gotta be joking

 

[Jem83]

"At the time it was a bad call"....

There's no such thing. It was either a good call or a bad call, period.

If anything, Agnelli should receive praise for having the guts to show confidence in such a (at the time) low-profile coach, particularly considering the horrendous seasons we had endured.

Also, upon making that decision, we have no way of knowing what went into his grounds for making that decision. For all we know, he weighed several pros and cons and opted to pull the trigger after having done that. Baggio and Sergio, you are making it seem as it if was a completely arbitrary decision by Agnelli and a complete "shot in the dark". We have no way of knowing.

But in my opinion, Agnelli doesn't strike me as a man who makes too rash decisions.

We must give him full credit for hiring Conte, and not put into question his decisionmaking abilities (or lack thereof) just based on assumptions, and definitely not based on what forum members around these parts were saying about the potential hiring of Conte at the time. That has no relevance at all.

 

[Gian]

Conte, Pirlo, Marotta, Agnelli

 

[Zacheryah]

I can think of a handfull of coaches who could do what conte did, but i cant think of a manager that did what marotta did

 

[KB824]

..... Thuram, Nedved, Gigi Buffon?!

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I think all of us are extremely grateful to be here. Nobody denies the story of coming through a free fall. The argument I think stems from who different people want to credit as the catalyst of our success.

So then the credit should have been given equally then, is what you are implying. Which is what I have been saying in the beginning, both in past , present, and future failings and success for both incarnations of Juventus