KB824

Senior Member
Sep 16, 2003
31,789
"At the time it was a bad call"....

There's no such thing. It was either a good call or a bad call, period.

If anything, Agnelli should receive praise for having the guts to show confidence in such a (at the time) low-profile coach, particularly considering the horrendous seasons we had endured.

Also, upon making that decision, we have no way of knowing what went into his grounds for making that decision. For all we know, he weighed several pros and cons and opted to pull the trigger after having done that. Baggio and Sergio, you are making it seem as it if was a completely arbitrary decision by Agnelli and a complete "shot in the dark". We have no way of knowing.

But in my opinion, Agnelli doesn't strike me as a man who makes too rash decisions.

We must give him full credit for hiring Conte, and not put into question his decisionmaking abilities (or lack thereof) just based on assumptions, and definitely not based on what forum members around these parts were saying about the potential hiring of Conte at the time. That has no relevance at all.

Whoa, whoa, whoa






Whoa.





All I said was that it was a gamble, and admittedly, it was a BIG gamble to hand the reigns of this club to someone whose major successes up until that point was in Serie B. Nowhere did I say, or imply, that it was an arbitrary decision. All I'm saying is that in the end, all of us were fortunate.

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Still the most retarded thread.
It has been since January of 2011.


The fact that it is still the most retarded thread NOW, is still something of a head scratcher.
 

Jem83

maitre'd at Canal Bar
Nov 7, 2005
22,871
Yeah, sorry about that Sergio, the post is almost in it's entirety aimed at @baggio

He was the one making the assumptions, not you. My apologies once again.

I pulled you into it because the post I quoted from baggio was a response to your post, where you did raise the possibility of it being a truly lucky call, but you didn't imply that it was an arbitrary decision.

Baggio, on the other hand, confidently concluded that "it was a bad call at the time".
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
:lol::lol::lol: how many teams win a league unbeaten???
easy there, i'm not discrediting Conte one bit. I'd like to remind you i was one of the biggest fans of his appointment, cause we needed a coach that could kick the slackers in the fucking nuts after that Del Neri season.

Conte did that, and delivered tremendously.

But, i was only pointing out,that what marotta did, you cant name a manager who could have done better for us at the time.

For this reason, its cricitally important,that the current triad of Agnelli, Marotta, and Conte remain.

Each of them has done a tremendous job moving forward, and we cannot sacrifice one of them.
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
Exactly and we dont want that to happen.

It reminds me to Conte's interview today. Basically trashing inter's collapse after the trebble.

What happened ? coach changed.

One coach change could see all these players drop from horrible
One manager change could see us turn into sellerclub like, well, the rest of serie a
One chairman change, could see our growth come to a stop, and lose the political leverage we have. Especially boardwise.

We must keep the trinity force, that is Marotta, Conte and Agnelli
 

ZoSo

Senior Member
Jul 11, 2011
41,656
easy there, i'm not discrediting Conte one bit. I'd like to remind you i was one of the biggest fans of his appointment, cause we needed a coach that could kick the slackers in the fucking nuts after that Del Neri season.

Conte did that, and delivered tremendously.

But, i was only pointing out,that what marotta did, you cant name a manager who could have done better for us at the time.

For this reason, its cricitally important,that the current triad of Agnelli, Marotta, and Conte remain.

Each of them has done a tremendous job moving forward, and we cannot sacrifice one of them.
Just like you can't name a coach that could've done what Conte did.
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
Just like you can't name a coach that could've done what Conte did.
Dont pull stuff out of context, but base your further quotes on this :

Exactly and we dont want that to happen.

It reminds me to Conte's interview today. Basically trashing inter's collapse after the trebble.

What happened ? coach changed.

One coach change could see all these players drop from horrible
One manager change could see us turn into sellerclub like, well, the rest of serie a
One chairman change, could see our growth come to a stop, and lose the political leverage we have. Especially boardwise.

We must keep the trinity force, that is Marotta, Conte and Agnelli
 

Rollie

Senior Member
Apr 15, 2008
5,143
If any one of them goes, then you have to basically start all over again.
If we lose Marotta, we would not be starting all over again. Especially if Paratici is staying in the building.

Conte and Agnelli are the key players here. Agnelli has brought so much passion and stability to the organization, he's made some key decisions, and I think his contribution is often overlooked by much of the fan base (especially those that are so bitter about the way Ale's situation went down). I think Marotta has done a pretty good job, considering the learning curb that exists when one jumps from Samp to Juve, but he's far from irreplaceable, IMO.

Anyone who bids against himself for Jorge Martinez, and buys him @ 12M Euro to begin a mercato - with the design of playing him at LM in a flat 4, when the player so clearly needs to be in and around the box due to his running 'impairment' - well, that person can very likely be replaced. :p

In all seriousness, what many others are often missing on this forum, is that all of our personnel decisions are taken collectively. There is chemistry amongst our upper management, they have demonstrated that they work well together, that they like each other, so why would we change things at this point?

I think we're going to be happy with our Mercato this summer, Llorente is a nice start.
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
Oh turk, tis is MAROTTA's thread, not MORATTI

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If we lose Marotta, we would not be starting all over again. Especially if Paratici is staying in the building.

Conte and Agnelli are the key players here. Agnelli has brought so much passion and stability to the organization, he's made some key decisions, and I think his contribution is often overlooked by much of the fan base (especially those that are so bitter about the way Ale's situation went down). I think Marotta has done a pretty good job, considering the learning curb that exists when one jumps from Samp to Juve, but he's far from irreplaceable, IMO.

Anyone who bids against himself for Jorge Martinez, and buys him @ 12M Euro to begin a mercato - with the design of playing him at LM in a flat 4, when the player so clearly needs to be in and around the box due to his running 'impairment' - well, that person can very likely be replaced. :p

In all seriousness, what many others are often missing on this forum, is that all of our personnel decisions are taken collectively. There is chemistry amongst our upper management, they have demonstrated that they work well together, that they like each other, so why would we change things at this point?

I think we're going to be happy with our Mercato this summer, Llorente is a nice start.
Give me your synopsis of the financial evolution we made the past 3 years. I'm very interested
 

baggio

Senior Member
Jun 3, 2003
19,250
So then the credit should have been given equally then, is what you are implying. Which is what I have been saying in the beginning, both in past , present, and future failings and success for both incarnations of Juventus
No Serge. That Juventus was far ahead of this one. Moggi signed players and ran the mercato. Different times and I don't want to compare the two. The point is what Lippi did wasn't out of the realms of possibility due to the squad at his disposal. What Conte achieved was immense despite our shortcomings, which Marrotta didn't plug, such as the failure in the Alves deal, and the failure in our attempts to sign a striker worthy of Juve. Just one striker mind you, after spending close to 200million in three seasons.
 

KB824

Senior Member
Sep 16, 2003
31,789
If we lose Marotta, we would not be starting all over again. Especially if Paratici is staying in the building.

Conte and Agnelli are the key players here. Agnelli has brought so much passion and stability to the organization, he's made some key decisions, and I think his contribution is often overlooked by much of the fan base (especially those that are so bitter about the way Ale's situation went down). I think Marotta has done a pretty good job, considering the learning curb that exists when one jumps from Samp to Juve, but he's far from irreplaceable, IMO.

Anyone who bids against himself for Jorge Martinez, and buys him @ 12M Euro to begin a mercato - with the design of playing him at LM in a flat 4, when the player so clearly needs to be in and around the box due to his running 'impairment' - well, that person can very likely be replaced. :p

In all seriousness, what many others are often missing on this forum, is that all of our personnel decisions are taken collectively. There is chemistry amongst our upper management, they have demonstrated that they work well together, that they like each other, so why would we change things at this point?

I think we're going to be happy with our Mercato this summer, Llorente is a nice start.

That's a big if. They have been together for almost 10 years

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No Serge. That Juventus was far ahead of this one. Moggi signed players and ran the mercato. Different times and I don't want to compare the two. The point is what Lippi did wasn't out of the realms of possibility due to the squad at his disposal. What Conte achieved was immense despite our shortcomings, which Marrotta didn't plug, such as the failure in the Alves deal, and the failure in our attempts to sign a striker worthy of Juve. Just one striker mind you, after spending close to 200million in three seasons.
Oh, I'm not arguing with you anymore on this, I just got some bad news.
:D

@Rollie


NFL THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

baggio

Senior Member
Jun 3, 2003
19,250
Yeah, sorry about that Sergio, the post is almost in it's entirety aimed at @baggio

He was the one making the assumptions, not you. My apologies once again.

I pulled you into it because the post I quoted from baggio was a response to your post, where you did raise the possibility of it being a truly lucky call, but you didn't imply that it was an arbitrary decision.

Baggio, on the other hand, confidently concluded that "it was a bad call at the time".

Assumptions? Hindsight my friend is 20-20. Just to put things in perspective.

It's really easy to flow into the spirit of our successes and forget what we have been through in the past. We are really lucky things turned out the way they did. And if you're trying to tell me this was an Agnelli masterstroke and it's worked out exactly as he intended, then I wholeheartedly disagree.

My reading of the situation is that Agnelli wanted a coach to inject new enthusiasm and fresh ideas into our approach and chose Conte as a result of that. His idea was to have a 5 year project to perhaps build over that time and aim at truly winning anything in the latter half of that project.

I've said this before in another thread. Ive never said it was an arbit appointment or implied it. I wouldn't be surprised though if this appointment was also to take some pressure off the board since the ultras wanted Conte at such a delicate time and any the failure of any other appointment would've probably put the club under even more pressure, maybe to even sell the club. A fan favorite was one way to go. You can choose to discredit that thinking, but I certainly don't think Agnelli had planned two title celebrations back to back after appointing Antonio.

It was a BAD decision to give Conte the reigns considering Ferrara's failure. After what we'd gone through, we should have had somebody with more experience. But I, like you, am extremely grateful the choice paid off and luck has favored us as far as that's concerned. Feel free to disagree.
 
Jul 2, 2006
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Oh turk, tis is MAROTTA's thread, not MORATTI
Tell me you were not serious when you said you cant think of a manager that did what marotta did. Because it's even more absurd than milan the gentleman rival.
He may be better than some of his counterparts like galliani and inter guy but most definitely he is nowhere close to be best and has done nothing exceptional.

Marotta can't even sign the likes of Bonera

:snoop:
sometimes his incompetence come in handy. like in floro flores case.
 

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