Giuseppe Marotta (43 Viewers)
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I don't really think Toni was a move as bad as people make it to be. Same for Barzagli at the time (similar situation). And plus, I was actually quite excited with Matri when Marotta got him in the last day.
I'd add Giovinco to the Trezeguet point. Even if he's not lost yet, I wonder how much it will cost us (I'll close my eyes if the prejudice don't pass the 5M). Plus, I hate the way Juve's legends are treated by this new board (no, not only Marotta obviously). We got rid of Trez and Camo because of the "wages", but guys like Amauri, Grosso and Iaquinta still deserve to be here? Fuck. The next seems to be the guy who wears Juventus in person. I wonder if Buffon will have the same treatment...
Point one in the second list is not valid. That's Conte's full merit. We were even supposed to play 4-4-2. Hiring Conte was a veeeeery risky move, but, until now, a 100% successful one. IDK if it was Marotta or Agnelli who pushed for him, but it doesn't matter really. I'd put Conte in the top, followed by Pirlo. Add Motta permanent contract after his horror show with us last season to the worst moves too.
I'd add Giovinco to the Trezeguet point. Even if he's not lost yet, I wonder how much it will cost us (I'll close my eyes if the prejudice don't pass the 5M). Plus, I hate the way Juve's legends are treated by this new board (no, not only Marotta obviously). We got rid of Trez and Camo because of the "wages", but guys like Amauri, Grosso and Iaquinta still deserve to be here? Fuck. The next seems to be the guy who wears Juventus in person. I wonder if Buffon will have the same treatment...
Point one in the second list is not valid. That's Conte's full merit. We were even supposed to play 4-4-2. Hiring Conte was a veeeeery risky move, but, until now, a 100% successful one. IDK if it was Marotta or Agnelli who pushed for him, but it doesn't matter really. I'd put Conte in the top, followed by Pirlo. Add Motta permanent contract after his horror show with us last season to the worst moves too.
That makes no sense. There is clearly a massive difference in life outlook between the ages of 23 and 33. When he came to us, he was recognized as a brilliant young marksmen in France, a glittering potential career lay ahead of him, and with it the chance to forge an absolute fortune for him and his family, which simply wouldn't have been possible had he moved then, to hercules. His wife, if he was married at that point, would surely have supported his career. Whereas when he left, coming to the twilight years of his brilliant career, with his fortune made, his position in History forged, his outlook would have been different...Make the wife happy, try living in Spain, a different league, with a small team where he would be guaranteed playing time, different culture. So...i would appreciate if anyone can show me some lines from Trez himself that suggest that he was kicked out of the club.
As for Camo? He was consistently terrible in his last season for us. I don't know of a manager or DM who would have wanted to keep him. He was wonderful for us for many years, but his head wasn't right and neither was his body, so why keep him??? out of sentimentality alone? Is that what made Moggi so special??? I think not...
As for Camo? He was consistently terrible in his last season for us. I don't know of a manager or DM who would have wanted to keep him. He was wonderful for us for many years, but his head wasn't right and neither was his body, so why keep him??? out of sentimentality alone? Is that what made Moggi so special??? I think not...
Of course the wages were of major importance, but in Camo's case, he had become a liability. The Trez story is less clear, at least to me, having the opinion that Trez was still useful, though his physical power and robustness was fading. Its plain wrong to suggest that Amauri, Grosso and Iaquinta staying at the club was Beppe's decision. HE DIDNT SIGN THEM. It is not in Beppe's power to demand a player moves to another club, when they will earn likely double by staying at Juve on the contracts which SECCO gave them. Trez was like a 1999 yamaha r6, old, prone to increasing need of repair and high maintenance, but still has the power and pace...whereas Amauri/grosso/iaquinta were and are like 1983 model honda c50s; useless in the modern game. Beppe never said that the players you mentioned 'deserved to be here'. If he did, please show me...
Point one on the list is not valid? Pirlo was signed solely by Beppe. Vidal was a superb acqusition, for a great price. So you are saying that two of the three integral components of the best midfield in Serie A, are of no consequence whatsoever. And its greatness is solely down to Marchisio? Also...the reasons for our great midfield go obviously beyond Vidal/Pirlo/Marchisio. The offence has been improved, as has the defence...all of which are much down to Beppe in signing Barzagli (for a wonderfully low price), Lichsteiner ( the best RB in serie A), Pepe, giaccherini, Vucinc, Matri and even little estigarribia (who have ALL played their part in our success so far this season). By improving the offence and defence, and the welcome return to fine form of Buffon, our midfield is now capable of focusing on their roles, rather than covering constantly for our inadequacies elsewhere on the field.
I am not suggesting that Beppe is amazing, but he has done far more to contribute to what presently seems like a tentative return to greatness, than many of you give him credit for...some of your arguments are ridiculous.
Errors have been made, but the devastating effect of Secco's time at the club is lessening season upon season, but its been a hard slog, and some of his shit remains, you know...the Grosso Amauri Iaquinta.
Other than Martinez, I have little hard criticism of Beppe. Motta was a loan with obligation to buy??? for a very cheap price, and low wages. a risk of sorts, but a cheap one. And surely we will move him on eventually for equal value or more value than what we paid for him. The giovinco situation was not as simple as sending him away, as for two seasons, la formica atomica had been criminally mis-used by our managers. He wanted to play, and was determined to play, if that meant away from Juve, so be it. His decision has been vindicated by his success at Parma and re-engagement with la nazionale. Blaming beppe for Giovinco's demand to play and improve his fortunes, seems odd. Parma could next to guarantee him a starting place, we couldn't. Conte definitely wouldn't have guaranteed him or any other player a starting place, its not his style to do so, he picks his players on merit, not old form, not potential talent, but on merit in training and the performances given when they do play.
A team finishing 7th, then 7th again, failing twice to reach the champions league, losing out hugely financially, is not as attractive to the best players in europe as teams finishing higher, consistently qualifying for the champions league, where EVERY one of the best players wants to be. Selling the Juve plan and project to players like vidal, pirlo, vucinic, lichsteiner...as well as the wonderful work underway with the youth sector, shows to me, Beppe is doing well.
Point one on the list is not valid? Pirlo was signed solely by Beppe. Vidal was a superb acqusition, for a great price. So you are saying that two of the three integral components of the best midfield in Serie A, are of no consequence whatsoever. And its greatness is solely down to Marchisio? Also...the reasons for our great midfield go obviously beyond Vidal/Pirlo/Marchisio. The offence has been improved, as has the defence...all of which are much down to Beppe in signing Barzagli (for a wonderfully low price), Lichsteiner ( the best RB in serie A), Pepe, giaccherini, Vucinc, Matri and even little estigarribia (who have ALL played their part in our success so far this season). By improving the offence and defence, and the welcome return to fine form of Buffon, our midfield is now capable of focusing on their roles, rather than covering constantly for our inadequacies elsewhere on the field.
I am not suggesting that Beppe is amazing, but he has done far more to contribute to what presently seems like a tentative return to greatness, than many of you give him credit for...some of your arguments are ridiculous.
Errors have been made, but the devastating effect of Secco's time at the club is lessening season upon season, but its been a hard slog, and some of his shit remains, you know...the Grosso Amauri Iaquinta.
Other than Martinez, I have little hard criticism of Beppe. Motta was a loan with obligation to buy??? for a very cheap price, and low wages. a risk of sorts, but a cheap one. And surely we will move him on eventually for equal value or more value than what we paid for him. The giovinco situation was not as simple as sending him away, as for two seasons, la formica atomica had been criminally mis-used by our managers. He wanted to play, and was determined to play, if that meant away from Juve, so be it. His decision has been vindicated by his success at Parma and re-engagement with la nazionale. Blaming beppe for Giovinco's demand to play and improve his fortunes, seems odd. Parma could next to guarantee him a starting place, we couldn't. Conte definitely wouldn't have guaranteed him or any other player a starting place, its not his style to do so, he picks his players on merit, not old form, not potential talent, but on merit in training and the performances given when they do play.
A team finishing 7th, then 7th again, failing twice to reach the champions league, losing out hugely financially, is not as attractive to the best players in europe as teams finishing higher, consistently qualifying for the champions league, where EVERY one of the best players wants to be. Selling the Juve plan and project to players like vidal, pirlo, vucinic, lichsteiner...as well as the wonderful work underway with the youth sector, shows to me, Beppe is doing well.
The focus on CM's and strikers this mercato, considering those are arguably our most well covered areas is ridiculous. We may still be stuck with a load of poor wingers and no full-backs following this market with more strikers and CMs on the bench and in the stands. What the hell is the logic behind this? Buying Pazienza then replacing him after half a season? Borriello?? Marotta is the epitome of wastefulness.
You can shit on Cronios all you want but he's right at least about one thing - we for some idiotic reason that I'm not aware of MUST buy a CM and a striker in every mercato, wasting precious time and resources in the process.
You can shit on Cronios all you want but he's right at least about one thing - we for some idiotic reason that I'm not aware of MUST buy a CM and a striker in every mercato, wasting precious time and resources in the process.
I think signing a CM is a "must" in january. I even think we should sign not just one but two CM's. If we're going to continue to play the 4-3-3 formation then we should have a depth for it and right now we don't.
Adding a LB or CB should be a periority next summer, and it should only be for world class defenders (nothing less than that).
Personaly i don't trust Marotta's decisions, he's IMO just average (not as bad as secco but not great as we hoped).
Adding a LB or CB should be a periority next summer, and it should only be for world class defenders (nothing less than that).
Personaly i don't trust Marotta's decisions, he's IMO just average (not as bad as secco but not great as we hoped).