Giuseppe Marotta (109 Viewers)
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not exactly...I have nothing against Cron, nor wish to engage in a lengthy debate. My aims match the clubs this season : get at least third spot and with it entry to the champions league, play much better football than these last two seasons, regain the grinta, hope conte does well. And so far, all those aims are met. That is enough for me. I need not criticize when we are unbeaten at christmas, top of the league, playing some lovely football often, and haven't once been totally outplayed in a game...if you want more than that, so be it. But I for one of likely many, are once again happy and proud and excited to be a juventino.
At this moment, I wouldn't swap Marotta for another guy. Those italian GM are all the same, anyway. At least he has a good thing, don't usually overspend (I just "hope" this won't affect a bigger move in the future, seriously). Let's just wait until the end of the season, though, but it's not profitable at all to switch the coach all seasons, let alone the board managers.
I know he'll always have his fuck-ups, but what the hell... I just hope Conte grows with more and more power than him in the club's decisions. Basically the approach and not just Conte. I want a coach with more power than the board managers. Like in England, but still working as a unit with the club.
Obviously.
I know he'll always have his fuck-ups, but what the hell... I just hope Conte grows with more and more power than him in the club's decisions. Basically the approach and not just Conte. I want a coach with more power than the board managers. Like in England, but still working as a unit with the club.
Obviously.
Marotta's work can not be observed by wearing pink or black glasses. He made many mistakes. Some were under strong influence of the situation he inherited. Some were his own and hard to forget or forgive. We seem to forget that in the summer of 2009 we failed to adequately replace the people who took us to CL for two years in a row. That summer was our opportunity to make a strong comeback to the elite. Nedved was gone, Del Piero and Trez were 35/32, the later struggling with injuries. We had CL after leaving a good impression in the same competition the previous year. But our choices that summer turned out to be bad ones so we ended up 7th, with a massive loss and even more massive wages to be paid to the players who took us to 7th place. In such situation Marotta replaced Secco. Some mistakes in the summer of 2010 were inevitable, some were not and we still feel them today.
But he did make some steps which should and must be the foundation of a future success. Our wage budget is lowered from 120 to 100 million, and it should be lowered even more with the contract expiry of some old players. Yet, with drastically lowered wage budget the 7th placed team from the past is topping the table today. Unlike the previous seasons we now have some 6-7 players in the starting XI who posses enough quality to be part of a big Juve, and a big chunk of those are Marotta's purchases.
To sum up, I believe that most of the work conducted in the last two years was to set up a foundation for the summer of 2012. The stadium is here, a CL place should be won, the wage budget has empty space to be filled with the wages of quality players, a coach with a working system are at place. The base is here, now the icing on the cake should be put. Marotta deserves this last chance to finish his work. This summer will be to be or not to be for him. He will either fuck up or finish the work. In any case, he must be given that chance to fuck up or succeed so now all we can do is to wait and watch. After this summer we can summarize his work. Today we can't.
But he did make some steps which should and must be the foundation of a future success. Our wage budget is lowered from 120 to 100 million, and it should be lowered even more with the contract expiry of some old players. Yet, with drastically lowered wage budget the 7th placed team from the past is topping the table today. Unlike the previous seasons we now have some 6-7 players in the starting XI who posses enough quality to be part of a big Juve, and a big chunk of those are Marotta's purchases.
To sum up, I believe that most of the work conducted in the last two years was to set up a foundation for the summer of 2012. The stadium is here, a CL place should be won, the wage budget has empty space to be filled with the wages of quality players, a coach with a working system are at place. The base is here, now the icing on the cake should be put. Marotta deserves this last chance to finish his work. This summer will be to be or not to be for him. He will either fuck up or finish the work. In any case, he must be given that chance to fuck up or succeed so now all we can do is to wait and watch. After this summer we can summarize his work. Today we can't.
Honestly, sometimes I wonder what the philosophy behind signings like Borriello and Toni are. Is it a quick fix? But then again, it really isn't. Is it because they're cheap? Is it because Marotta finds these players undervalued and he thinks he can make some good business ala Brad Pitt in the movie Moneyball?
Any thoughts behind this strategy?
Any thoughts behind this strategy?
Toni was signed in desperation. We had Del Piero and Martinez playing as strikers at the time. He was our Paolucci from the previous winter. Quag just got badly injured, Iaquinta was out too and Amauri was given to Parma after the pathetic displays he showed for more than a year. We were still negotiating Matri's transfer and we were left without any attackers.
It was still a mistake to get Toni, but I can find an excuse.
I still can't find a good reason to explain Borriello's transfer if it's not just a loan. There is an understandable fear that the same players will not be able to keep the same rhythm throughout the season so players like Pizarro, Borriello and Caceres could be good choices to step in when the moment arrives. But signing Borriello, or even Pizarro, on big wages and a 3 year contract, can put us back in the situation we had/have when old players sulk our wage budget, prevent us from investing more on the market and be competitive there, but don't give us nothing positive in return.
Borriello simply has to be a loan deal, even if he plays well in the next 5 months. Everything else will imo be a big mistake which will cost us badly in the future.
It was still a mistake to get Toni, but I can find an excuse.
I still can't find a good reason to explain Borriello's transfer if it's not just a loan. There is an understandable fear that the same players will not be able to keep the same rhythm throughout the season so players like Pizarro, Borriello and Caceres could be good choices to step in when the moment arrives. But signing Borriello, or even Pizarro, on big wages and a 3 year contract, can put us back in the situation we had/have when old players sulk our wage budget, prevent us from investing more on the market and be competitive there, but don't give us nothing positive in return.
Borriello simply has to be a loan deal, even if he plays well in the next 5 months. Everything else will imo be a big mistake which will cost us badly in the future.
I think Toni is supposed to be cheap replacement for Dzeko, maybe DN asked for tall target man and Marotta saw an opportunity to provide DN with such striker as quick fix with Quag injured became the catalyst. I don't think Toni was a bad deal; the problem is he's part of the coach who isn't here anymore but I thought his contract would run out soon, no?
As Borriello, I don't see anything but a cheap option for January. It's only a loan though, I don't know why we should make such a big deal out of this. If he can't make good impression, he can always be shipped back to Rome at the end of season.
We just have to accept that Marotta likes to make such deals in winter mercato.
As Borriello, I don't see anything but a cheap option for January. It's only a loan though, I don't know why we should make such a big deal out of this. If he can't make good impression, he can always be shipped back to Rome at the end of season.
We just have to accept that Marotta likes to make such deals in winter mercato.
These in the past years, did far far better than us in the transfer windows, regardless of their performances.
They bought players we could not, despite having less resources and prestige.
They bought cheap and sold expensive. (the more i remember our deals with fiorentina, the more i hate Marotta+Secco)
And they had made significant progress in the past 5 years.
Esp Napoli who were truly a serie B team and now they have players worthy of +35mil we cant even dream of (Cavani, Hamsik), overtook us in the CL race, have better ref influence (and even a bigger stadioum
)
While we have spent twice as much and only got paper champions to appease the nationalists, our WC players numbers have regressed and when the last remainders of the past disappear, we will be left with the vast collection of the mediocre/average ones we have been collecting with passion...
We should grab pen and paper and took notice about one club is run by them!!!
I also have to admit again, in case it is not obvious enough, due to my haters defaming efforts, that i m overjoyed from the performance of our team this year.
Certainly more than LoPan, mostly because i had even lower expectation, than his modest ones.
But as we still have a very very long way to go in order to become competitive again (and not only domestically) i fear that despite the occasional flops or tops, we must keep our focus at making real progresses.
Marotta is IMO, not responsible for the fact that we have overperformed, so far this year, neither was the solely man to blame for the underperformance of last year.
A transfer director can achieve his targets, but the team may fail (not his fault imo)
Or fail to do his job, but despite that, the team could do better.
It would have been an interesting debate indeed, with content and a conclusion.
Lo Pan has been one of my fav posters in the past years and i adore any forum interaction with him. This was a rare opportunity to disagree with him and i m kind of disappointed we didnt meticulously shared our conflicting opinions.
Unlike athe haters Lopan posts have content, even when they arte one liners and he doesnt have to insult, mock or provoke anyone...
They bought players we could not, despite having less resources and prestige.
They bought cheap and sold expensive. (the more i remember our deals with fiorentina, the more i hate Marotta+Secco)
And they had made significant progress in the past 5 years.
Esp Napoli who were truly a serie B team and now they have players worthy of +35mil we cant even dream of (Cavani, Hamsik), overtook us in the CL race, have better ref influence (and even a bigger stadioum
)While we have spent twice as much and only got paper champions to appease the nationalists, our WC players numbers have regressed and when the last remainders of the past disappear, we will be left with the vast collection of the mediocre/average ones we have been collecting with passion...
We should grab pen and paper and took notice about one club is run by them!!!
I also have to admit again, in case it is not obvious enough, due to my haters defaming efforts, that i m overjoyed from the performance of our team this year.
Certainly more than LoPan, mostly because i had even lower expectation, than his modest ones.
But as we still have a very very long way to go in order to become competitive again (and not only domestically) i fear that despite the occasional flops or tops, we must keep our focus at making real progresses.
Marotta is IMO, not responsible for the fact that we have overperformed, so far this year, neither was the solely man to blame for the underperformance of last year.
A transfer director can achieve his targets, but the team may fail (not his fault imo)
Or fail to do his job, but despite that, the team could do better.
It would have been an interesting debate indeed, with content and a conclusion.
Lo Pan has been one of my fav posters in the past years and i adore any forum interaction with him. This was a rare opportunity to disagree with him and i m kind of disappointed we didnt meticulously shared our conflicting opinions.
Unlike athe haters Lopan posts have content, even when they arte one liners and he doesnt have to insult, mock or provoke anyone...
It is because we need a 4th/5th choice striker. Do you expect these players to be Higauin or some shit?
We get them because they are cheap, Italian and played in the league before. They fit in the team seamlessly and cause no problems. They are somewhat reliable. You know what they give you even if it isn't much.
Borriello is like 4th/5th choice. If he plays it's because of injuries or because he is on some super form.
We get them because they are cheap, Italian and played in the league before. They fit in the team seamlessly and cause no problems. They are somewhat reliable. You know what they give you even if it isn't much.
Borriello is like 4th/5th choice. If he plays it's because of injuries or because he is on some super form.
That's true but the problem is that these 4th/5th choices are actually earning the highest wages in the team.
Look at the wages of our attackers after and before tax:
Amauri 4m (6.9m)
Borriello 3.1m (5.35m)
Toni 3m (5.2m)
Iaquinta 3m (5.2m)
Vucinic 3m (5.2m)
Quagliarella 2m (3.45m)
Matri 1.6m (2.75m)
Those who don't get to play earn more than those who play every match.
We do need decent 4th/5th choice strikers but not at the expense of complicating our financial situation and hurting us on the market.
Look at the wages of our attackers after and before tax:
Amauri 4m (6.9m)
Borriello 3.1m (5.35m)
Toni 3m (5.2m)
Iaquinta 3m (5.2m)
Vucinic 3m (5.2m)
Quagliarella 2m (3.45m)
Matri 1.6m (2.75m)
Those who don't get to play earn more than those who play every match.
We do need decent 4th/5th choice strikers but not at the expense of complicating our financial situation and hurting us on the market.
Well Amauri became 4th choice but was 1st choice. Toni was signed to be 1st, 2nd choice in desperation and didn't do too bad.
If Borriello's really on those wages here then that's stupid. Iaquinta, same thing as Amauri.
The only guy with top wages that was signed KNOWING he'd be 4th/5th choice is Borriello but is that accurate?
If Borriello's really on those wages here then that's stupid. Iaquinta, same thing as Amauri.
The only guy with top wages that was signed KNOWING he'd be 4th/5th choice is Borriello but is that accurate?