Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
i just want to say hats off to marotta. all our top form players have been very shrewd signings by him.

Conte
Barzagli
Lichsteiner
Matri
Pirlo
Vidal
Pepe

all have been immense and instrumental. and they all cost us peanuts compared to the effort they have given so far.
 

baggio

Senior Member
Jun 3, 2003
19,250
Andrea apparently wanted and hired Conte. Matri was a panic buy at 18m. Conte wanted Vidal, whole Beppe wanted Inler. And while Beppe did sign Pepe, it was Conte who stopped him from selling him at a loss perhaps, coz we all know Zenit and he were in advanced talks. Barzagli was Italian and had a contract expiry coming up, so we snapped him up coz he was a cheap Italian option to Legro, I don't think Marrotta calculated any more than that. Licht however was a good purchase, as was Pirlo on a free, but then again Pirlo for free is an option most teams wouldn't have passed up. So while factually, Marrotta did sign the lot, they weren't entirely his brains at work so to speak. Dunno if you agree :)
 

Jem83

maitre'd at Canal Bar
Nov 7, 2005
22,870
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle of Lion's and baggio's statements.

I think Marotta has done a good job so far. I'm happy to have him.

I also believe he got what it takes to sign true star players, because he came unbelievably close to signing Dzeko, for instance. We couldn't offer CL football, which I think was decisive.

When we do get back into the CL, I'm fully confident that Marotta will bolster our already solid side with a little bit more of that top player quality. And then we should be set.
 

baggio

Senior Member
Jun 3, 2003
19,250
@Jem: The thing is J, that Marrotta isn't shrewd in an intelligent way. He has signed 22-23 players and he hasn't even been with us for two seasons, it shows how unsure he is. What's worse however is the fact that he has no conviction in players he has spent heavily on. Look at the cases of Bonucci and Pepe end of last season. To some extent, Quag and Krasic this seasons, when he has been open to these sales, till Conte made it clear to the club that he wanted to keep Quag. While Krasic is still in no man's land. Anyone can buy a superstar player at the asking price of a club, like he almost id with Dzeko. And given Dzeko was coming from Wolfsburg it was still a step up. I feel his real test is yet to come, and if I'm to be honest I think Paratici is the man with a little more intelligence, market sense and vision than Marrotta, who I find to be inept and undeserving of being at a big club like this. I think someone like Corvino would've been mind-blowing with us. May be even Sabatini, irrespective if his work at Roma. Both those guys seem to have clearer ideas and ways of execution than idiotta.
 

baggio

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Jun 3, 2003
19,250
Actually, its better to have a perspective even when things our going our way. It doesn't change the fact that he has made mistakes and continues to seemingly make them, only this time he's not got a mediocre person with mediocre demands to guide him a little better.
 

Jem83

maitre'd at Canal Bar
Nov 7, 2005
22,870
@baggio: I disagree.

Quag got severely injured and this changed his role at the club. It's perfectly normal. It happens at Milan too. Some douche complaints of chestpains, and Galliani goes straight out to look for a replacement. I think Marotta handled the Quag-situation very well, because he managed to lure Matri out of Cagliari when Cagliari didn't want to let their best player go. Of course, he had to overpay a bit for Matri, just to get him out of there, but in the end Matri proved to be worth every penny.

Krasic was an impressive deal, because the russians were holding out for much more. And even though Krasic had other suitors, Marotta kept his ground, and got his man for the price he originally wanted. Now, Krasic is indeed in no man's land, but that's something that you cannot foresee as a GM. We were fapping like crazy when Krasic arrived, and we were the envy of many clubs. Krasic has let himself, Marotta and the entire club down with his terrible performances. It's entirely up to Krasic to change back into the player he can be. And if he does, Krasic is a quality player.

The Barzagli-signing was shrewd, to use one of your words. A lot of quality for very little cash.

Pirlo and Vidal are up there with the best signings all over Europe. Just excellent.

The Martinez signing is his worst signing. Truly terrible. And the Bonucci deal in terms of what we got for the price can't be called a great deal. But if you want, I can give you a list of at least 15 terrible Galliani signings. Corvino and Sabatini is no different.

No GM is perfect and neither is Marotta. But I do think he's proving that he's suited for the job.

You're right about one thing, though. He does have more to prove. It will be very interesting to see how he'll fare in the market when we get back into the CL. His actions in the market will be crucial at that point.
 

ZoSo

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Jul 11, 2011
41,656
@baggio: I disagree.

Quag got severely injured and this changed his role at the club. It's perfectly normal. It happens at Milan too. Some douche complaints of chestpains, and Galliani goes straight out to look for a replacement. I think Marotta handled the Quag-situation very well, because he managed to lure Matri out of Cagliari when Cagliari didn't want to let their best player go. Of course, he had to overpay a bit for Matri, just to get him out of there, but in the end Matri proved to be worth every penny.

Krasic was an impressive deal, because the russians were holding out for much more. And even though Krasic had other suitors, Marotta kept his ground, and got his man for the price he originally wanted. Now, Krasic is indeed in no man's land, but that's something that you cannot foresee as a GM. We were fapping like crazy when Krasic arrived, and we were the envy of many clubs. Krasic has let himself, Marotta and the entire club down with his terrible performances. It's entirely up to Krasic to change back into the player he can be. And if he does, Krasic is a quality player.

The Barzagli-signing was shrewd, to use one of your words. A lot of quality for very little cash.

Pirlo and Vidal are up there with the best signings all over Europe. Just excellent.

The Martinez signing is his worst signing. Truly terrible. And the Bonucci deal in terms of what we got for the price can't be called a great deal. But if you want, I can give you a list of at least 15 terrible Galliani signings. Corvino and Sabatini is no different.

No GM is perfect and neither is Marotta. But I do think he's proving that he's suited for the job.

You're right about one thing, though. He does have more to prove. It will be very interesting to see how he'll fare in the market when we get back into the CL. His actions in the market will be crucial at that point.
:rolleyes:
 

deggen10

Senior Member
Jul 27, 2011
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I feel his real test is yet to come,
No doubt there... but if we're talking CL, then it won't take much to outdo Moggi.
1 CL on penalties with a decade of superstar teams, when Serie A was CLEARLY the best league in Europe. Pffft.
Now we are ~3rd/4th best league. No longer have a sugar-daddy owner. Plus a whole new level of Oil sheiks that get any player they want. Final 4 will be an achievement.
 

only-juve

Senior Member
Jan 5, 2008
7,451
No doubt there... but if we're talking CL, then it won't take much to outdo Moggi.
1 CL on penalties with a decade of superstar teams, when Serie A was CLEARLY the best league in Europe. Pffft.
Now we are ~3rd/4th best league. No longer have a sugar-daddy owner. Plus a whole new level of Oil sheiks that get any player they want. Final 4 will be an achievement.
4 European cup finals in a row (95-98) plus 2003 final, i think thats more than an ordinary achievement, not to mention all the domestic titles that we've won.

You guys give Marotta waay too much credit for our results this season.

If not for Conte and he's work here, most here would be cursing Marotta's ass right now.

Moggi managed to sign a player for less than 5 millions who happened to be the best player in the world few years later and we sold him for a world record fee, lets see Marotta do that before we compare the two of them.....
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
i just want to say hats off to marotta. all our top form players have been very shrewd signings by him.

Conte
Barzagli
Lichsteiner
Matri
Pirlo
Vidal
Pepe

all have been immense and instrumental. and they all cost us peanuts compared to the effort they have given so far.
This. Take notes you peasants.
 

baggio

Senior Member
Jun 3, 2003
19,250
@baggio: I disagree.

Quag got severely injured and this changed his role at the club. It's perfectly normal. It happens at Milan too. Some douche complaints of chestpains, and Galliani goes straight out to look for a replacement. I think Marotta handled the Quag-situation very well, because he managed to lure Matri out of Cagliari when Cagliari didn't want to let their best player go. Of course, he had to overpay a bit for Matri, just to get him out of there, but in the end Matri proved to be worth every penny.

Krasic was an impressive deal, because the russians were holding out for much more. And even though Krasic had other suitors, Marotta kept his ground, and got his man for the price he originally wanted. Now, Krasic is indeed in no man's land, but that's something that you cannot foresee as a GM. We were fapping like crazy when Krasic arrived, and we were the envy of many clubs. Krasic has let himself, Marotta and the entire club down with his terrible performances. It's entirely up to Krasic to change back into the player he can be. And if he does, Krasic is a quality player.

The Barzagli-signing was shrewd, to use one of your words. A lot of quality for very little cash.

Pirlo and Vidal are up there with the best signings all over Europe. Just excellent.

The Martinez signing is his worst signing. Truly terrible. And the Bonucci deal in terms of what we got for the price can't be called a great deal. But if you want, I can give you a list of at least 15 terrible Galliani signings. Corvino and Sabatini is no different.

No GM is perfect and neither is Marotta. But I do think he's proving that he's suited for the job.

You're right about one thing, though. He does have more to prove. It will be very interesting to see how he'll fare in the market when we get back into the CL. His actions in the market will be crucial at that point.
Bro, he has signed 22 players in less than 2 seasons. And he's willing to sell half of the ones he bought without giving them a fair shot. I won't go back to Diego and Trez and Gio. But this guy is more hit and miss than anything else. Like I said, Vidal was a signing Conte wanted, Marrotta wanted Inler, while Pirlo on a free would be a no brainer for most teams. A great signing, no doubt but there was nothing extraordinary about a signing a great player who has already spent his best years after being scouted by a rival. Most directors would've snapped Pirlo up at Juventus.

Quag was injured yes. But his preseason form gave indication that he still had it in him. There was no reason to jump the gun when you already have Toni, Iaq, Amauri on your books before the man that singlehandedly carried your team last season. Krasic maybe going through a bad patch of form, but is six months enough to do away with a player you spent 15 m on a season ago and sell him at a substantial loss!? Barzagli looks like a very good signing, yes. But i would give some of the credit to Conte for that, because we both know he wasnt brought in as a starter, but a replacement for Legro. Beppe was ready to sell Bonucci and Pepe. I'm not debating their quality here, I'm questioning the thought process behind buying them for one season and then selling them at a potential loss the next one.

In a position like Marrotta's, I could only use the term shrewd when somebody has conviction and belief in the way they handle finances and player transfers. Marrotta seems awfully confused in his dealings. 22 signings is a joke no matter where we stand on the table. Because unfortunately a lot of the credit for that too, I'd give to Conte, who isn't a Marrotta signing and in fact has overruled a lot of Marrotta's deals on the market if anything. Shrewd is a term, Moggi and Galliani personify for the years they've spent building teams with quality instead of revolutionising them with quantity.
 

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