Giuseppe Marotta (139 Viewers)

[JuveJay]

Did you also expect us to get 3.5mln for Giovinco?

Pepe was overpaid. It's stupid to buy such a limited player for so much money. Pjanic went to Rome for 11mln, Gervinho to Arsenal for 11mln.

I'm not even going to mention Martinez. And Bonucci was also overpaid because he's average at best... don't forget we had Criscito included in the deal who had a high value.

Like I said, in this market (the Serie A/Italian), that is the price. Giovinco had proven nothing when the co-ownership price was agreed. €3.5m was for half, but you know this...

But yes, failed players are bad buys. Surprising logic.

 

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[Amash]

Did you also expect us to get 3.5mln for Giovinco?

Pepe was overpaid. It's stupid to buy such a limited player for so much money. Pjanic went to Rome for 11mln, Gervinho to Arsenal for 11mln.

I'm not even going to mention Martinez. And Bonucci was also overpaid because he's average at best... don't forget we had Criscito included in the deal who had a high value.

I think that transfers can't be compared like this. Then even Vidal is overpaid when Sahin was paid 2,5 millions less, or Krasic is totally disastrous transfer when Real got Ozil for the same price... etc.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Like I said, in this market (the Serie A/Italian), that is the price. Giovinco had proven nothing when the co-ownership price was agreed. €3.5m was for half, but you know this...

Giovinco is talented unlike Pepe. And FYI he did more at Juve compared to Pepe's achievements at Udine.

But yes, failed players are bad buys. Surprising logic.

Yeah, I mean, it's great to buy Martinez and play him out of position after paying 12mln for him. Bonucci was always average... we bought the potential he never fulfilled, so yeah, it was a stupid move in the end. It's not players fault we paid so much for him anyway.

 

[JuveJay]

Basically I already agreed with and posted the things you just did.

I know you like skillful players but they have to show that. Giovinco wasn't worth the same back then as he is now, no one was going to pay €15m for him just in case he did really well.

 

[Dostoevsky]

I think that transfers can't be compared like this. Then even Vidal is overpaid when Sahin was paid 0.5 less, or Krasic is totally disastrous transfer when Real got Ozil for the same price... etc.

Then just take Pjanic as an example. Ozil's and Sahin's contract were on their last year, hence the low price... just like Vidal's. And Sahin is not a much better buy than Vidal IMO.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Basically I already agreed with and posted the things you just did.

I know you like skillful players but they have to show that. Giovinco wasn't worth the same back then as he is now, no one was going to pay €15m for him just in case he did really well.

His price is lower now?

Giovinco had many goals and assists while playing at Juve. Whenever he got his chance he did something, unlike Pepe. Pepe is a winger who contributes nothing but a hardwork. We paid 10mln for hardwork... or in other words brainless running. It's not about skillful players, it's about assists and goals that Pepe didn't provide at Udinese, but Giovinco did at Juve even when he played as a winger and not a SS.

 

[Nenz]

I am not defending him here but I think the only overspending he did was Martinez.

He's also underselling players though and that in conjunction with the misallocation of funds (albeit only on a handful of players) is even more detrimental to the club. I'm fairly sure if he were less complacent with the selling of players, we would have a better squad than we currently do.

 

[JuveJay]

His price is lower now?

Giovinco had many goals and assists while playing at Juve. Whenever he got his chance he did something, unlike Pepe. Pepe is a winger who contributes nothing but a hardwork. We paid 10mln for hardwork... or in other words brainless running. It's not about skillful players, it's about assists and goals that Pepe didn't provide at Udinese, but Giovinco did at Juve even when he played as a winger and not a SS.

Obviously his value is higher.

The rest is subjective. The irony being that last season Pepe was required to play a different role than what suits Giovinco, yet this season Giovinco would have fit in much better. Pepe does have his strengths that balance out the side from being too lopsided, but there are also several games where playing 4 attackers suits, and this doesn't fit for Pepe.

Still, my initial point was only about values. If someone says that money could have been better spent I won't disagree.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

He's also underselling players though and that in conjunction with the misallocation of funds (albeit only on a handful of players) is even more detrimental to the club. I'm fairly sure if he were less complacent with the selling of players, we would have a better squad than we currently do.

Hmmmmmmm

He still sold Sissoko for 7M. That almost gives him a clean slate in my book.

 

[Nenz]

Hmmmmmmm

He still sold Sissoko for 7M. That almost gives him a clean slate in my book.

Giovinco and Melo for next to nothing. Not to mention his inability to offload several players as well especially Iaquinta and Amauri.

 

[Fake Melo]

Giovinco and Melo for next to nothing. Not to mention his inability to offload several players as well especially Iaquinta and Amauri.

 

[Nenz]

Its not like Amauri isn't sellable after he performed at Parma. A good GM would have gotten the job done. I'm not saying Iaquinta is an easy sale to make but considering how useless he is to us, selling him (or getting him off the squad list in any way possible) should have been a priority but it seems that Marotta ignored those priorities. Look how big our list of strikers is, you can only blame poor management for that.

 

[Lion]

it's not selling them that's an issue. it's them not willing to leave because no team in their right mind will match their salaries.

 

[Fake Melo]

Marseille would match Amauri's salary, and Iaquinta turned down about 9 clubs.

 

[Nenz]

Good GM's are good negotiators and deal with those problems. That's what they're hired for. Marotta is not a good negotiator when it comes to getting rid of players.

 

[Lion]

Good GM's are good negotiators and deal with those problems. That's what they're hired for. Marotta is not a good negotiator when it comes to getting rid of players.

u mad bro?

 

[Salvatore]

Good GM's are good negotiators and deal with those problems. That's what they're hired for. Marotta is not a good negotiator when it comes to getting rid of players.

I'm not really sure what else he could have done. He said he made it clear from the start (to Amauri) that he wasn't needed by the club or coach, and found several clubs willing to take him, yet he didn't want to leave. And now apparently, the player is training with the youth team.

 

[Nenz]

u mad bro?

Yeah. Yeah I am.

 

[IrishZebra]

A good GM doesn't price players out of the market with insane wages...Secco...

 

[Lion]

fucking secco.