WΏΏdy?

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Dec 23, 2005
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we asked Marotta to bring us a new winger,he did that,we asked for new full-backs,he did that,we asked for a calmer head in midfield,he did that,we asked for a bit more creativity upfront,he did that
We did not ask him to just fill the gaps with some average players. We wanted champions,HE promised his bottom dollor that we will get champions. He failed to get rid of dead wood,failed to bring young players. He just failed miserably.
 

MikeM

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Sep 21, 2008
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He made good moves and bad moves, this mercato. It wasn't perfect. It was more like most team's mercatos if you actually pay attention to the footballing world.
Inter replaced Eto'o with fucking Forlan and Zarate.
Roma made shitty deals on Bojan, Osvaldo and still have not even a single defender.
Udinese sold their whole team and replaced no one.
Lazio is banking on Klose and Cisse LOL.
What did Milan do?

You guys expect Marotta to fill every hole on this team, meanwhile, we have like 10M in wages tied up in players who won't play for us and won't leave.

But in the end, all these players on our team are good enough for 3rd place if we have the coach. That is Marotta's biggest mistake so far.
 

.zero

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whoah just let me explain...i DO NOT SUPPORT Marotta,i am just trying to look at this with a more open perspective. anybody who honestly thought we would land Aguero is deluded and trust me i would have went off my head f we blew half our budget on one player

but hey-ho,lets bash Marotta for not landing him,lets also bash him for not handing over 4m to Lugano a year,etc,etc
I don't blindly bash Marotta. There are plenty of facts and subject matter to justify my criticism.

I don't care that he did not sign Aguero or Pastore, etc.. But the fact that he opens his pedo mouth and guarantees "world class" players to be signed over the summer mercato leaves him open to any and all criticism. And to top if off he ends up signing ZERO "world class" talent. Unless we consider Ziegler, Licht, Vidal etc.. as world class.

As I've said many times before, let the season play out and then we can re-assess. But for now my opinion of him and his work has not changed.
 

Bozi

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Great, now they're the kings of the football world, no matter what. :rolleyes:

4.5M/year to Pastore, 40M transfer fee and no CL for PSG. We had funds to do that as far as I'm concerned. Not in an eventual bid war with PSG, but it's well known we could've got him a month or two before PSG. An no, I'm not saying Pastore is Marotta's fault, because I guess Conte didn't want him, but I'm just saying those players are not impossible to get as some want to make it to be.
you think it would ahve been wise to splash out 40m on Pastore and hand him 4.5m a year?
it is not impossible no,but it would be foolhardy and reckless to say the least

unless of course you are bankrolled by a Qatari multi-billionaire


I'm glad you're happy with the so proven Elia and Ziegler.

I made it clear in my post, we didn't need to get a Pastore/Falcao or even Suarez (the point was that they're not impossible to get, if you in someway missed it), as he's just another example, but at least we should've covered better some of our gaps to avoid as much question marks in our team as we could. A Vargas and a Lugano, for example, would do the job instead of Elia, Giaccherini and Estigarribia altogether. We'd probably even spend less with the duo I said.
why bring them into conversation if you are not trying to make a point?
we went fot Lugano but PSG offered him 4m a year
we enquired about Vargas but lets be honest half of the forum here would ahve been mortified if we had got him,even we cannot agree on his worth

Elia i a gamble,no doubt and Zeigler is a stop-gap at best but both are more than capable for Serie A,since we have no European football we should not need as large a squad and in all honesty at least there is room for improvement with Elia
 

X Æ A-12

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But who honestly could with a 7th place club with no European ambitions?
Then why did he make so many comments promising top players? Marotta fully deserves most of the criticism he is getting now after promising "champions" and dropping big names like Aguero, Tevez, Benzema spending our whole summer chasing them and not getting shit.

After the comments he made in the press I think we had reason to get our hopes up.
 

Bozi

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We asked for top class players, he didn't do that.
yup it is a travesty that we didn't spend 120m on 3 player on combined wages of 16m per year for our assault on Serie A and the coppa Italia

these 3 players would have been able to shore up all the gaps in our squad


I don't blindly bash Marotta. There are plenty of facts and subject matter to justify my criticism.

I don't care that he did not sign Aguero or Pastore, etc.. But the fact that he opens his pedo mouth and guarantees "world class" players to be signed over the summer mercato leaves him open to any and all criticism. And to top if off he ends up signing ZERO "world class" talent. Unless we consider Ziegler, Licht, Vidal etc.. as world class.

As I've said many times before, let the season play out and then we can re-assess. But for now my opinion of him and his work has not changed.
you quoted me.i simply hate this culture of "all or nothing" and fapping over fantasy transfers that have no ground for reality
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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Great, now they're the kings of the football world, no matter what. :rolleyes:

4.5M/year to Pastore, 40M transfer fee and no CL for PSG. We had funds to do that as far as I'm concerned. Not in an eventual bid war with PSG, but it's well known we could've got him a month or two before PSG. An no, I'm not saying Pastore is Marotta's fault, because I guess Conte didn't want him, but I'm just saying those players are not impossible to get as some want to make it to be.
It's not about money, it's obvious we have a certain amount of money, it's about having money to attract those who would not ordinarily play for a team not in Europe. Falcao was a one off, Atletico sold Agüero and De Gea for €66m combined. PSG = Qatar, let's not joke if we are talking about overall attraction, not just Pastore. We didn't sign Pastore because Conte couldn't fit him in the team, that was revealed a long time ago. Why not similar players is the question...

Liverpool are the only real comparison. Formerly successful club, out of Europe, have spent a similar amount of money. We don't know Liverpool's finances compared to ours, just that they have had a takeover from a wealthy group and spent around £130m (€150m) in fees since NESV (FSG) took over, having sold Torres for £50m. I also believe their director, Comolli, is a very good dealer in the market.

It's very easy to have €100m and spent it on 10 €10m players, but not so with 4 €25m players, not in today's market withe everyone else interested. We are reduced to looking at the likes of Suarez at Ajax, Dzeko at Wolfsburg at the very top end. This is where Marotta either failed or chose to not even enter the market. Which make his early market statements totally ridiculous.
 

.zero

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It's one thing if we the fans demand top players.

It's a completely different thing when the man who makes the deals guarantees them.

But according to many members here that is excusable and again allow the man to wash his hands clean.
 

IrishZebra

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Jun 18, 2006
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yup it is a travesty that we didn't spend 120m on 3 player on combined wages of 16m per year for our assault on Serie A and the coppa Italia

these 3 players would have been able to shore up all the gaps in our squad
There's two huge gaps in our squad right now, LB and Pirlo's deputy.

Buying average is only acceptable when it fills all the gaps otherwise we'll be found out again.
 

swag

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Then why did he make so many comments promising top players? Marotta fully deserves most of the criticism he is getting now after promising "champions" and dropping big names like Aguero, Tevez, Benzema spending our whole summer chasing them and not getting shit.

After the comments he made in the press I think we had reason to get our hopes up.
The difference probably is that I didn't believe him and you did. I knew what to take posturing in the presses for.

Not to mention that Marotta has zero track record of ever having signed top talent in his entire career.
 

X Æ A-12

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The difference probably is that I didn't believe him and you did. I knew what to take posturing in the presses for.

Not to mention that Marotta has zero track record of ever having signed top talent in his entire career.
Well I wasn't expecting us to poach top players off of top clubs or anything but I did expect at least a focus on quality over quantity and at least one top player.

Why is it so outside the box? It's not like our club is poor at all. We spend loads of cash and sign ten freaking players each window instead of looking for quality. This window was more of the same despite numerous comments and promises that it wouldn't be hence my frustration.
 

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