Giuseppe Marotta (53 Viewers)

[baggio]

you seem confused

About whether Marrotta is a human being? Yes, I am.

 

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[baggio]

Isn't his contract up next summer? I'm sure if this years side fails he should be gone.

Yea. Although, I wouldn't give him the winter mercato if we fail by then.

 

[X Æ A-12]

About whether Marrotta is a human being? Yes, I am.

Is there some doubt over this?

 

[fredrik]

I see most of this as 'woe is me' excuses. The gradation comment was made because you made it sound like we're helpless to sign quality players, just because we can't spend 40M on a guy right now - which I wasn't ever in favor of in the first place.

You're cherry picking your argument as well - this is what I was talking about when I said people needed to be objective. You can't just cite the 'better' signings, and then ignore all the other wasted money. We're talking about the guy's work over three mercatos - there are some serious misses. And Pirlo was free, and earning a great wage ffs. Basically, the players you mentioned should generally represent something of a minimum level of quality (except for maybe 1 or 2 additional younger guys on the cheap, who have considerable upside), and then we should be giving our current youngsters a run out.

Yes, I would have kept Trez. Also: Giovinco, Diego, Melo. All of those other "high earners" you're talking about? Except for Poulsen, (and Trez & Tiago who we let go for nothing - although thank god Tiago is gone) they're basically all still here, buddy. This 'clearing out the dead wood' argument is so old for me. We've released useful players at cut rates and the dead wood is mostly still here. At this point, those guys need to be gifted away, whenever possible. The season starts on Sunday (hopefully).

Marotta's brought in roughly 20 players, and we started with a few pretty solid players as well. At this point, with the resources at his disposal, if we don't have something that can approximate a 'foundation', then this guy shouldn't be working in professional football - in any capacity.

i agree with some of your points. i dont think all our transfers are very good, but some are. we see things differently and thats ok.

you really would keep diego? thought he was useless here, and has not been good in wolfsb.

i think amauri with his 4m a year is difficult to "gift" away (some gift ) even for nothing.

with the mess secco left, i will take time to recover imo.
i am for now willing to give marotta that time, and the benefit of the doubt. atleast for this season

 

[fredrik]

About whether Marrotta is a human being? Yes, I am.

so you belive in aliens than

 

[JCK]

i agree with some of your points. i dont think all our transfers are very good, but some are. we see things differently and thats ok.

you really would keep diego? thought he was useless here, and has not been good in wolfsb.

i think amauri with his 4m a year is difficult to "gift" away (some gift ) even for nothing.

with the mess secco left, i will take time to recover imo.
i am for now willing to give marotta that time, and the benefit of the doubt. atleast for this season

The mess that Marotta is creating will take even more time, getting rid of Pepe, Motta, Martinez, Pazienza, Ziegler, Giaccherini, Etzabrizabri, Toni and I don't know who else he is willing to bring here will require a lot more than getting rid of Tiago, Poulsen, Melo and Diego.

 

[IrishZebra]

He's some sort of mole judging by his appearance...

 

[fredrik]

The mess that Marotta is creating will take even more time, getting rid of Pepe, Motta, Martinez, Pazienza, Ziegler, Giaccherini, Etzabrizabri, Toni and I don't know who else he is willing to bring here will require a lot more than getting rid of Tiago, Poulsen, Melo and Diego.

no

they dont have stupied high wages

 

[JCK]

no

they dont have stupied high wages

The teams that might think of purchasing these players cannot match the wages they are getting at Juventus. So it is the same dilemma but with much more players with lower profile.

 

[fredrik]

He's some sort of mole judging by his appearance...

i dont think so, he only has two legs

 

[fredrik]

The teams that might think of purchasing these players cannot match the wages they are getting at Juventus. So it is the same dilemma but with much more players with lower profile.

yeah, 1m is almost the same as 4m

some of the players you mention is unproven. amauri is proven shit

 

[JCK]

yeah, 1m is almost the same as 4m

some of the players you mention is unproven. amauri is proven shit

Only one player is unproven.

Diego and Melo can be sold to teams that afford 4 Million but those teams won't pay half a million for Martinez and the likes of Siena cannot afford half a million for Martinez. Try to understand what I wrote before replying.

 

[fredrik]

Only one player is unproven.

Diego and Melo can be sold to teams that afford 4 Million but those teams won't pay half a million for Martinez and the likes of Siena cannot afford half a million for Martinez. Try to understand what I wrote before replying.

diego has been sold. the loan of melo proves that he is difficult to get rid of with his wages. almost all players secco bought was signed with excessive wages

Giaccherini and Etzabrizabri i would call unproven. their value might increase. gia we only own half, the other is a loan with option to buy
Pazienza and Ziegler are good squad players on ok wages. it might not be neccesary to get rid of them. give them a chance.
toni i hate and might be more difficult to get rid of, but he was bought when quag was out, and we where desperat.

 

[only-juve]

The mess that Marotta is creating will take even more time, getting rid of Pepe, Motta, Martinez, Pazienza, Ziegler, Giaccherini, Etzabrizabri, Toni and I don't know who else he is willing to bring here will require a lot more than getting rid of Tiago, Poulsen, Melo and Diego.

The size of this squad is ridicolous. Perhaps we do have one of the biggest teams in all over Europe and Ironically we don't even play in Europe.

And i agree with jack here, its gonna be extremely hard to get rid of all those players come next season (and you can bet your ass that some of the players we've just sign we'll flop or atleast won't be needed next season)

Its just one big mess in this club, it has been for the past 5 years so nothing really new this time around.

 

[Linebreak]

It has been a mess - you feel as though there's no overall plan or direction for the club. The way this Mercato is running has been proof of that. Since the beginning of the transfer window Juve has been aiming to acquire a new LW yet until now they haven't purchased a single LW worthy of mention. We've changed our CM's, Aquilani and Melo, even though there were mostly successful last season, purchased a number of other players, yet the gaping hole in LW, which has been a massive problem since Nedved retired, has been almost completely neglected even though Juve has been linked with a number of strong LW options.

 

[Suns]

Out of all these 22 players Marotta has signed, how many of those were wanted by other teams and gave us competition? Vidal is the only one, right? The man is so scared of a bit of competition that he goes looking after players other teams don't even want.

 

[only-juve]

Out of all these 22 players Marotta has signed, how many of those were wanted by other teams and gave us competition? Vidal is the only one, right? The man is so scared of a bit of competition that he goes looking after players other teams don't even want.

Krasic i would say was wanted too.

There are few signings that i like from Marotta but the rests 90% of the players that he signs are pretty much useless.

 

[Nardonejuve]

so ok, who will hold training sessions while conte is flying around the world scouting potential targets or negotiating with the clubs for the prize... i mean if you don't have marotta who would do the negotiating ? if you leave it to someone else there is still the possibility that that someone would say "no, we wont pay that much" or "hey, i give you all our money" and overpay.

the other problem is, that just because a coach likes a player that does not mean that the player is really good or even fitted for their system.

how often did coaches get a player bought they really wanted and then the player flopped ? it would be even worse if the coach is negotiating himself because he would probably overpay most of the time because of the enthusiasm for the player. there needs to be someone in charge of the negotiations that has at least a slight clue of economics 101... no matter how sad the poor footballmanager crybaby fans are after not overpaying for their favourite player

Then how does Sir Alex, AVB, Mancini, Wenger do it? they do the deciding on what players come in and go out not there Sporting director. Marottas job should be getting the players the coach wants.

 

[HAZEM]

i totally agree with JCK only-juve and Linebreak. i just see the same mess of last's season nothin' changed!! the whole direction for this team is missing and Marotta can't pull his shit together. time for real change with big money with other persons or we are really fucked. oh i forgot we are already fucked up.

 

[JuveJay]

Out of all these 22 players Marotta has signed, how many of those were wanted by other teams and gave us competition? Vidal is the only one, right? The man is so scared of a bit of competition that he goes looking after players other teams don't even want.

Are you saying you know the inner workings of every football club on the planet?