v1rtu4l

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Mar 4, 2008
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Surely one of Tuz's FM-playing members?
no,

i am serious. it was a coach that once was in the bundesliga ... it could be ottmar hitzfeld and he had some success in germany with teams that did not have any star players, but he just drilled them to death for fitness and they just ran and ran and ran never gave any ball up and this made his team hard to beat. just look at the chinese ... they did use this "tactic" for some time in the past as well, being very limited technically but having a very high work ethic.
 

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JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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They also made their athletes eat ground human babies and take steroids. To be honest though football is moving away from that. It's ok for an average PL team to fill their side full of big French Africans and be happy with 10th-15th. Still, I'd be interested to see a Serie A side try it, as long as it's not Juve.
 

IrishZebra

Western Imperialist
Jun 18, 2006
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You realise that you're talking about 09/10 right...Sneijder contributed infinitely more than Diego who has gone on to be cack at Wolfsburg since.

You're saying he had similar stats to Wesley? What were wesleys assists or passes that let to asists? Comparing him the Sneijder is a bad idea. 8 goals, 9 assists in club competitions are good when you consider the moves he initiated or gave the key pass in, Diego has done this much less.
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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You realise that you're talking about 09/10 right...Sneijder contributed infinitely more than Diego who has gone on to be cack at Wolfsburg since.

You're saying he had similar stats to Wesley? What were wesleys assists or passes that let to asists? Comparing him the Sneijder is a bad idea.
Sneijder was actually pretty uninspiring in Serie A most of the time.

Obviously, he was brilliant in the CL, though.
 

IrishZebra

Western Imperialist
Jun 18, 2006
23,327
Sneijder made many important plays in Serie A during the 09/10 season, his vision was a decisive factor, relatively often.

Diego could have had a similar role with us provided the whole team was 100% dedicated to Diego and what he wanted to do, but he wouldn't have been as good as Wesley or have had as good a return, although I'm certain he had many more assits in the league, like 16???

Like Brazzo said, Diego doesn't have the balls to put up when things start going downhill, happened with Juve, happened with Wolfsburg.
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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might have been him as well, since he was successful in the bundesliga as well ... and did otto win the european championchips with it or not ? so a good tactical setup can make any team hard to beat...
His Greece team was certainly focused more on hard work and discipline rather than individual ability.
 
May 22, 2007
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I completely missed that interview with Brazzo, and he's spot on.

The biggest problem with that season was that the whole club didn't really have an idea of what to do with the team's shape. I still maintain that the team should have switched to a 4-2-3-1 where the fullbacks wouldn't have been so important to the system. Obviously someone better than Diego would have shined more, but there was just so much wrong with how the team was built for that year.
 

Suns

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May 22, 2009
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I completely missed that interview with Brazzo, and he's spot on.

The biggest problem with that season was that the whole club didn't really have an idea of what to do with the team's shape. I still maintain that the team should have switched to a 4-2-3-1 where the fullbacks wouldn't have been so important to the system. Obviously someone better than Diego would have shined more, but there was just so much wrong with how the team was built for that year.
What interview?
 

Marc

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Jul 14, 2006
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In Defense of Diego

Over the past few weeks, the end-of-season reviews have been coming in, and most have labeled Diego as a major flop, Goal.com named him as the #1 transfer flop, and also in their Worst XI of the season. Juventini and non-Juventini alike have blamed him for our poor season, but they could not have been farther from the truth.

If You Haven’t Noticed, Our Team Kinda Sucks: First, institutionally, Juventus have incredible problems. The team was not built correctly to use a trequartista, during much of the season we have been playing with rubbish fullbacks, two defensive midfielders, and two static prima puntas. That doesn’t work. The team wasn’t properly built for the 4-3-1-2. Second of all, Diego is coming in from a foreign league to a badly struggling club. Difficult to make a real impact.

Diego Has Been Plenty Effective:

We just don’t notice how solid Diego has been because our team sucks so bad. Naturally, despite Juve’s failings this year, Diego was expected to waltz in and score Kaka-style goals. Unrealistic, but the Roma game set up high expectations. I have no doubt given a better lineup, Diego will be more prolific in scoring goals.

Diego has been labeled as a major failure in recent weeks, but it wasn’t really until yesterday that I realized how great he has been. While looking through the video of all Juventus goals from this season, I noticed how omnipresent Diego has been. I went through the videos and counted up how many goals Diego assisted, scored, or was involved in and calculated it against the total. Turns out he’s directly influenced 45% of Juve’s goals from this season. Not bad for someone coming in from a different league, particularly when you consider that Diego hasn’t played every game, whether due to injury (see last fall) or being rested. Counting the games he missed, it probably boosts it to somewhere around 55% or so, another words, he directly caused a goal more than every other game. Look at the second video, how often his set piece, cross, or accurate pass opened the game up and led to a goal.



Nnahoj gave another great reason why Diego doesn’t deserve to be labeled a flop, in simpler statistics-

Sneijder
24 games, 4 goals, 6 assists

Diego
33 games, 5 goals, 7 assists (Coppa Italia goals v. Inter and Napoli as well)

While watching Juve games this season I always used to think that Diego was probably the most fouled player in the league. According to ESPN Soccernet, he was fouled 103 times in Serie A this season. Sneijder was fouled 38 times, by the way.

Has Diego played better than Sneidjer? Probably not. But given the simple numbers, it seems pretty clear that both have been protagonists for their club, and Inter’s success means Sneidjer is the “transfer of the season” and Juve’s miserable season has meant that Diego is the “Flop of Serie A.” Maybe it has something to do with Inter’s defense being rock solid (Lucio, Samuel, Chivu, Maicon, etc.) and Juve’s being piss-poor, conceding more than Atalanta?

So why is Diego considered such a flop? Simple- He’s not scoring as much as he did in the Bundesliga, Juve’s season has been piss poor, and the Roma game got everyone’s expectations very high. However……the numbers don’t support it, and I feel bad that Diego has taken so much criticism. Despite being jeered and criticized, Diego has never reacted badly to the tifosi and has played his heart out for the team this year. He doesn’t deserve the criticism, he deserves a reinforced squad and the support of the fans.
:star: Top post. Agree with everything.
 

Linebreak

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Sep 18, 2009
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Like Agüero I guess? We'll see when we have CL football.
The fact of the matter is we won't have CL football without CL quality players first - The Milan's, Napoli's and Inter's will always be ahead of us - you can even add the Lazio's, Udinese's and Roma's of the world

The strange thing about that is, even those teams will miserably fail in CL - Italian teams are no where to be seen any more
 

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