baggio

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Jun 3, 2003
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I'm talking about the team, not individual players. As a team. The team had no coherence or identity, it flitted from one thing to another but occasionally looked nice doing it. Now we don't even have that. But I think there are some short memories. I do agree about a revolution not being needed, but did expand (many, many times) as to why a new board would do that.
Right. But the team had no coherence, not because of talent or the lack thereof, but because there was no continuity. In system or personnel. You don't achieve results when you keep changing your goals and means to get them. Long story short.

MARROTTA IS CANCEROUS TO THIS CLUB. This Market could be the difference between a Champions League worthy team and one that stitches itself into mid table oblivion for a decade.
 

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JuveJay

Senior Signor
Moderator
Mar 6, 2007
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I liked my name better.

If Marotta is cancerous what are the guys above him? Who watches the watchmen? I don't need to pre-empt anything to feel happy about myself, I just don't want an endless cycle of change. Surely the people who picked Marotta need changing before he does, or what's to stop them making the same mistake again?
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,002
Repeat: Quagliarella for Diego. I read your early thoughts on Quagliarella so I know why you are upset about him doing well. Logic wins.
Actually no, I'm glad he's done well and proven me wrong. But it's still stupid to sell Diego.

Diego and Quag aren't the same sort of players at all, but like Marotta, you suffer from the same sort of delusion in classifying them as the same sort of players. Either that, or you've got an Italian dick up your ass, and like it.
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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Juventus is a floated company and the decision isn't made by one person so there is no one to fire, but decision makers can and do shift around. The buck stops somewhere. What is stopping them hiring someone similar?
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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Actually no, I'm glad he's done well and proven me wrong. But it's still stupid to sell Diego.

Diego and Quag aren't the same sort of players at all, but like Marotta, you suffer from the same sort of delusion in classifying them as the same sort of players. Either that, or you've got an Italian dick up your ass, and like it.
The whole Italian thing really gets to you, obsessive, it's funny. I guess that's why you hate every other team in the league for no genuine reason. It must be something of a quandry for you, to support Juventus.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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In terms of points, last month. I thought you had something interesting then.
You used the whole points thing to purport that we're better than last season just the other week. Now that we are basically out of Europe completely, you change your tune. Funny how that is.

As I said in another thread, why people listen to you, a guy who has been wrong about pretty much everything all year, is beyond me. I might as well listen to Del Neri and Marotta in figuring out what you think of our season.

The whole Italian thing really gets to you, obsessive, it's funny. I guess that's why you hate every other team in the league for no genuine reason. It must be something of a quandry for you, to support Juventus.
It would be different if Italian players and managers were some of the best like in the past, but they aren't. You are the biased one for still believing in the Italian way, not me. After all, as you said, I'm the one supporting Juventus as a foreigner. I have no reason to hate Italians like you say. Ask Sergio, he'll set your biased ass straight.
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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You used the whole points thing to purport that we're better than last season just the other week. Now that we are basically out of Europe completely, you change your tune. Funny how that is.

As I said in another thread, why people listen to you, a guy who has been wrong about pretty much everything all year, is beyond me.
It was a while ago, but actually I just posted some league table comparisons. The difference was minute. I'm not an attention seeker. I don't ask for people to listen to me, prophet to be right all the time and feel that is the purpose of my existence on an internet forum, but each to their own ;) Don't take yourself too seriously.

It would be different if Italian players and managers were some of the best like in the past, but they aren't. You are the biased one for still believing in the Italian way, not me. After all, as you said, I'm the one supporting Juventus as a foreigner. I have no reason to hate Italians like you say. Ask Sergio, he'll set your biased ass straight.
So basically you haven't paid any attention to what I have posted in the past, the wishlist lineups I posted, and get bent out of shape with some scenario you've made up in your head that I want an all Azzurri Juventus because I have the sheer audacity to contest a point that isn't in line with your thinking. Gotcha. Sergio is your friend is he not? I'm sure he'll vouch for you, but I think you have some of your very own issues with bias.
 

Albo

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Apr 13, 2009
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I lost faith on this guy after he wants : Beck,Zigler,Pirlo,Pazienza,Bastos,Gilardino,Mazzari,Conte
I was hoping for some one world class : VDW,Cissokho,Banega,M'Villa,Hazard,Aguero,Deshamps,Villa Boas
 

MikeM

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Sep 21, 2008
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I am positive Marotta would choose Pazienza over Aguero. Yes. That is a great point. Nothing to do with the fact that he doesn't have infinite amounts of cash at his disposal.
 

Suns

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May 22, 2009
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Lose faith at the end of the window not when it hasn't even begun yet.
C'mon Nick, are we back to the same talk as last summer again? So many people said that we should wait until the end of the summer, and then when the end of the summer came then people said we should have waited to see how they perform on the pitch, and then when that didn't happen then everybody wanted us to give them the whole season to see what they could do. There are no signs that justifies faith.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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It was a while ago, but actually I just posted some league table comparisons. The difference was minute. I'm not an attention seeker. I don't ask for people to listen to me, prophet to be right all the time and feel that is the purpose of my existence on an internet forum, but each to their own ;) Don't take yourself too seriously.
It was so minute that you laughed at me for not noticing a difference. That's how minute it was.

Out of all my years on this forum, you are one of the members who has been the most inaccurate of them all.

Take a look at Vinni. He's nailed everything, you fluff everything.


So basically you haven't paid any attention to what I have posted in the past, the wishlist lineups I posted, and get bent out of shape with some scenario you've made up in your head that I want an all Azzurri Juventus because I have the sheer audacity to contest a point that isn't in line with your thinking. Gotcha. Sergio is your friend is he not? I'm sure he'll vouch for you, but I think you have some of your very own issues with bias.
Nope, wrong. It's not bias. If an Italian player is good, I'd love him here, except for one single player who is a traitor to his country. That's where it begins and ends. If your point was anything but clownish behavior, then I'd be saying trade away Chiellini or telling Giovinco to go screw himself like you Marotta fluffers. But no, I don't do that. My philosophy is all about ability, and unfortunately for you, your Azzurri is the worst out of all my years watching it. Yet you don't have a problem with Marotta trying to secure those same sort of players. You deny a clear bias when it comes to the players we target when there are all sorts of players better than Pepe, better than Barzagli, better than Motta, et cetera, and all you do is deny that a bias exists.

You're a Marotta fluffer and swindler, no question. You might want some good players from foreign leagues but overall you're the one obsessed with the Italian identity because it's what defines your personal footballing identity. You can't admit when it's wrong.
 

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