juve.10

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Aug 21, 2009
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About 1st paragraph-

That's a horrible excuse for buying Armand Traore and trying to get Di Natale and Boriello. Not being in CL is tough, but I'm sure that Traore, Pepe and Quagliarella aren't the only players that are willing to play for JUVENTUS despite not being in CL.

We were going fine until we sold Diego. That was absolutely the worst move in this mercato. So yeah, we were buying decent players, imo. Until Ita-frenzy hit Marotta and he wanted Di Natale and Boriello, but settled for Quags.
Who would you get as a LB? Criscito?(he doesn't want to come), Zigler?(we prolly would over pay him) Maxwell?(don't think so), Who would you get? I sure as hell don't know:S whos willing to come and wich club is willing to sell?

Di Natale and boriello was just short term rezolutions because of the injuris suffered. Don't think they were in the plans in the begining.

Like I said in my first post. Diego was not suited for Seria A. I like him alot and all but he was not right for juve. We should have got dzeko or pazzini. But you can't get everything. I think Quagriella-Amauri or Quagriella-Iaquinta will do a good job upp thir with Still young but slow Del piero as a reserv when needed.
 

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Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
66,757
Who would you get as a LB? Criscito?(he doesn't want to come), Zigler?(we prolly would over pay him) Maxwell?(don't think so), Who would you get? I sure as hell don't know:S whos willing to come and wich club is willing to sell?

Di Natale and boriello was just short term rezolutions because of the injuris suffered. Don't think they were in the plans in the begining.

Like I said in my first post. Diego was not suited for Seria A. I like him alot and all but he was not right for juve. We should have got dzeko or pazzini. But you can't get everything. I think Quagriella-Amauri or Quagriella-Iaquinta will do a good job upp thir with Still young but slow Del piero as a reserv when needed.
I'm not a big boy in the calcio game, so I don't know who's on the market, who's available and agents don't come to me. Again, there are more than 5 LBs available, and surely better than Traore.

Di Natale was before Amauri's injury and Boriello is just plain crap, short term or not.

What makes you think Diego isn't suited to Serie A? That is an odd conclusion and again does not excuse the signing of Quagliarella who, based on his career so far, won't offer us much.


A little optimism is good, but when something is plainly a bad idea, it's better not to lie to ourselves.
 

sidd

Junior Member
Sep 1, 2005
228
Though I personally think the Diego selling was a collosal mistake, seeing who we got in return....nevertheless there`s nothing much we can do about it now so lets evaluate this at the end of the season.
One thing about not being in CL, has anyone noticed how much we`ve managed to trim down our wage bill this year?? Someone at VS had a post with numbers and it was close to 45 mil gross.....Thats quite a bit to have in hand when we qualify for the CL.
This may not be the best team on paper out there, like buffon said.....we need ppl to spit blood for this jersey....we get most of the team doing that and we should be sorted!
 

Vinman

2013 Prediction Cup Champ
Jul 16, 2002
11,482
Milan sign Ibra and Robinho...

and we sign Traore and Rinaudo :sergio: :sergio: :sergio: :sergio: :sergio:

We deserve the 10th place were are going to get next May, and even that will be an accomplishment for this team of average joes that MaROTa brought in

Inter, Milan, Roma, Genoa, Napoli, Palermo, Sampdoria, Parma, Lazio, Juve is probably how the standing are gonna look at the end of the season, because all those other teams are better than us !!!!!:cry:

We didnt address the LB or CB situation, a backup for injury-king Aqua, nor did we sign another striker, when we should have been able to get Boriello (I'm no fan of his, but we needed another striker)

Like I said before, let Stevie Wonder get back to his music, sack Del Neri & BLANK and bring back MOGGI and anyone he damn well pleases to coach this team !!!!
 

JuventinMalti

Senior Member
Apr 5, 2006
575
I am not too thrilled with this mercato. No big names, nothing too exciting, and then there is the sale of Diego. But while everybody talks of vision, building teams and solving problems, it seems like all the fans want is the signing of big names. Which reminds me of last summer's Real Madrid tranfer campaign. What a success that was! Big names are important of course, but only when you have the basics sorted. At the moment, after last season, we're still struggling with that.

We cannot really judge this mercato now. We can only judge it next summer. So imagine for a moment, that we have a deal with Wolfsburg and we get Dzeko next summer. Quagliarella on loan suddenly is seen in a different light. And if as somebody mentioned, we managed to cut wage expenses significantly then there is potential for a big mercato next season.

I'm not saying that this is the best mercato ever. All I'm saying is that if there is truly a longer-term plan, one must think of this mercato in the context of that plan, and not analyse it on its own. In reality we just have to wait and see. There is little else to do in any case.
 

JuveBoy

Senior Member
Feb 4, 2003
5,022
fu(k him, he couldn't get Dzeko nor any other good striker. I was so disappointed in this in this juve. It will be a very painful and long season. And the I don't understand the PROJECT that he has in his mind... what project? fu(k it man. It is an Italian only Juve project? or Serie B Juve project? what an asshole.
 

Rollie

Senior Member
Apr 15, 2008
5,143
I was at my cousins funeral in New Mexico, so I wasn't tracking much the last 5 days... but when I got up this morning and started reviewing our moves before my flight home... well, it's a nightmare.

Things were looking a little sketchy before the Diego sale. Since we officially sold Diego (the morning I left for the states) it's been one ill-conceived move after another.

I just can't believe the roster we're starting the season with... we've barely improved our defense (which allowed 56 fucking goals last season), and somehow failed to purchase even 1 modestly accomplished fullback.

We've downgraded an already static, highly questionable group of forwards.

We jettisoned legends who could have provided quality depth, while paying large portions of their salaries.

And that's all in the last 5 days or so. Fuck.
 

rounder

Blindman
Jun 13, 2007
7,233
This whole Diego thing is pissing me off. Look, he had his chance to shine at Juve last season. In fact, he had plenty of time to prove himself. The truth is he wasn't bad. He was probably one of our best players, and while that's not saying too much considering the way we played last year he definitely doesn't deserve being called a flop or anything like that. The fact is, we built the entire team around Diego. He was supposed to be a team leader. Everything was supposed to go through him. Now while he was and is a decent player, he did not live up to that responsibility.

Our options this year were simple. We either keep our faith in Diego or completely renovate the entire squad. We went for the latter option and while I think we could have done a much better job, this team does have the potential to finish well this season. What we realized after last year were two main things. Our team needs a complete makeover and Diego is not that who we expected him to be. He will fit well into an attacking side that has many attacking options. Juve is not that team, unfortunately.

I don't think selling Diego was necessarily a mistake, but I think we needed to make a few more changes in our attack before we could go through with this move. Krasic should fit n well with our team pretty soon so we have the right flank covered. Our problem is on the left. Pepe is not good enough to be a starter for us and Martinez is being played out of position. It will be interesting to see how Del Neri will opt to employ Martinez later in the season. Quag is just a big question mark. He is definitely very talented, but I just don't know if he's the right player for this team. Only time will tell.

But all in all I think Marotta did a good job in clearing out the baggage that was just slowing this team down. Our team is now definitely younger and faster. I think it's only a matter of time that this will be apparent on the pitch.
 

JuveBoy

Senior Member
Feb 4, 2003
5,022
This whole Diego thing is pissing me off. Look, he had his chance to shine at Juve last season. In fact, he had plenty of time to prove himself. The truth is he wasn't bad. He was probably one of our best players, and while that's not saying too much considering the way we played last year he definitely doesn't deserve being called a flop or anything like that. The fact is, we built the entire team around Diego. He was supposed to be a team leader. Everything was supposed to go through him. Now while he was and is a decent player, he did not live up to that responsibility.

Our options this year were simple. We either keep our faith in Diego or completely renovate the entire squad. We went for the latter option and while I think we could have done a much better job, this team does have the potential to finish well this season. What we realized after last year were two main things. Our team needs a complete makeover and Diego is not that who we expected him to be. He will fit well into an attacking side that has many attacking options. Juve is not that team, unfortunately.

I don't think selling Diego was necessarily a mistake, but I think we needed to make a few more changes in our attack before we could go through with this move. Krasic should fit n well with our team pretty soon so we have the right flank covered. Our problem is on the left. Pepe is not good enough to be a starter for us and Martinez is being played out of position. It will be interesting to see how Del Neri will opt to employ Martinez later in the season. Quag is just a big question mark. He is definitely very talented, but I just don't know if he's the right player for this team. Only time will tell.

But all in all I think Marotta did a good job in clearing out the baggage that was just slowing this team down. Our team is now definitely younger and faster. I think it's only a matter of time that this will be apparent on the pitch.
Who will score goals? who will create chances? Diego was young, he left and Gio was also sold. I hate this project, long term project.... I rather call it Destroy Juve Project
 

Rollie

Senior Member
Apr 15, 2008
5,143
This whole Diego thing is pissing me off. Look, he had his chance to shine at Juve last season. In fact, he had plenty of time to prove himself. The truth is he wasn't bad. He was probably one of our best players, and while that's not saying too much considering the way we played last year he definitely doesn't deserve being called a flop or anything like that. The fact is, we built the entire team around Diego. He was supposed to be a team leader. Everything was supposed to go through him. Now while he was and is a decent player, he did not live up to that responsibility.

Our options this year were simple. We either keep our faith in Diego or completely renovate the entire squad. We went for the latter option and while I think we could have done a much better job, this team does have the potential to finish well this season. What we realized after last year were two main things. Our team needs a complete makeover and Diego is not that who we expected him to be. He will fit well into an attacking side that has many attacking options. Juve is not that team, unfortunately.

I don't think selling Diego was necessarily a mistake, but I think we needed to make a few more changes in our attack before we could go through with this move. Krasic should fit n well with our team pretty soon so we have the right flank covered. Our problem is on the left. Pepe is not good enough to be a starter for us and Martinez is being played out of position. It will be interesting to see how Del Neri will opt to employ Martinez later in the season. Quag is just a big question mark. He is definitely very talented, but I just don't know if he's the right player for this team. Only time will tell.

But all in all I think Marotta did a good job in clearing out the baggage that was just slowing this team down. Our team is now definitely younger and faster. I think it's only a matter of time that this will be apparent on the pitch.
Paragragh 1: Diego was out best offensive player IMO, but for 25M you don't get a guaranteed superstar, and he was working on integrating himself into a quality team, with many quality players. The argument that he's supposed to be the be all and end all is fucking ridiculous - he was supposed to be one of many quality pieces that we needed to be a contending team. All of this talk about superstar this, team leader that is horseshit. He was supposed to be quality, he is quality, we need quality, end of story. He worked his ass off for the team, and our management disrespected him - and greatly, at that.

Paragraph 2: Since when are the options either/or? The guy didn't even have a chance to prove himself in a system that didn't 'revolve' around him. Plus, he was playing well early this season! This isn't an election in the USA, where you only get two choices. After last season, the team needed a renovation, full stop. Period. We missed CL, end of story... and you admit we needed a reno. And you seem to be admitting that we need more attacking options, yet it makes sense to move our best attacking player (all due respect to our beloved captain)? Had we added some quality width in the form of wingers and fullbacks, and taken a flyer on a young striker, Diego would have had plenty to work with, and IMO he would have had a huge season for us.

Paragraph 3: We sold Diego for 15.5M Euro, after buying him 1 year earlier for 25M. Really all that needs to be said... it's the very definition of stupidity, a colossal mistake. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Compounded by the fact that we bought the youtube sensation Fabio Quagliarella, a player who is the very definition of inconsistent, for basically the same price (if we exercise his loan... if we don't, we're paying 6.5M for 1 year of Quags).

Paragraph 4: We're paying large portions of salary for a lot of that baggage that he unloaded. I, for one, am not going to give Marotta too much credit for some of those moves... not at all. Especially in the cases of Trez and Camo, given our dearth of quality strikers, and some very questionable options on the wing. When contracts are rescinded like many of ours were, it's simply because we're paying players not to play... which isn't such a huge accomplishment IMO.
 

ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
22,871
Juventus Director Giuseppe Marotta Explains Last-Minute Transfer Decisions

Juventus sporting director Giuseppe Marotta has explained the motives behind several of the last-minute Bianconeri signings.

The side were able to capture Leandro Rinaudo on a season-long loan from Napoli, and knocked back Marco Borriello, who joined Roma.

"For Borriello, it was only an opportunity to have him on a temporary basis," Marotta revealed to Eurosport. "We did not and could not do more than this, so we decided to pull out of talks.

"As for Rinaudo, we needed a player in that position, and we got him. The accord with Napoli was swift.

"It was a hard transfer market season, but for us, it is about rejuvenation, and we are pleased. Not every single dream in terms of who we want does come true," summed up Marotta.

http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/ital...useppe-marotta-explains-last-minute-transfer-
 

Suns

Release clause?
May 22, 2009
22,086
It's not eazy to get world class players when you don't play CL. And we are not as atractive as club like we once were. And Serie A have been to long in the shadow of PL and La liga. But we will come back again and be the top. It's good that Inter won CL last season for serie A. That atracts more and more players to our league.

You can't in this moment go out and buy top players. When you build a hous first you have to lay a foundation then build a roof take it eazy. Last managment screwd juve up to much. We did the misstake when we came back from serie B and we didn't try to start to build a new team. We realied to much on our old legends. It takes time to come back from the shit hole were "the beloved moggi put uss" Yes he had some good transfers but juve and seria A was the greatest league back then. And he screwd it upp. When we got relegated serie A lost thir credibility and we lost alot of players and were forced to serie B. And yes Moratti and the others are thifs to but moggi is the only stupid one to get cought. Don't play the game if you can't handel it. So thats why I think it's moggis foult that we are in this possition.
Excuses, excuses, excuses..

Bayern managed to sign world class players without CL just fine, and they are even in a worse league. Aren't we supposed to compare ourselves to teams like that?
 

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