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what the fuck makes you so special? 
Let's go back a few pages, to the true crap players:
Are you truly going to defend signings like Jorge Martinez, Elia and Motta?
Zacheryah, Zacheryah, Zacheryah... again with the false facts. Here I will quote another post of mine that will again prove you wrong.
CL spot?
Just so we don't have to bring this up again, see for yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010–11_Juventus_F.C._season#Results_by_round
As I said have said numerous times, we shouldn't be overspending on crap players that we don't use.
And unless you think Marotta is perfect, I think you could probably suggest some constructive criticism.
Let's go back a few pages, to the true crap players:
Are you truly going to defend signings like Jorge Martinez, Elia and Motta?
Zacheryah, Zacheryah, Zacheryah... again with the false facts. Here I will quote another post of mine that will again prove you wrong.
CL spot?
Just so we don't have to bring this up again, see for yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010–11_Juventus_F.C._season#Results_by_round
As I said have said numerous times, we shouldn't be overspending on crap players that we don't use.
And unless you think Marotta is perfect, I think you could probably suggest some constructive criticism.
Every manager has his failure deals. Just look at the epl where failures cost more then succes
But marotta, his succes is positive balancing the negative. that is a succesfull manager
2) quag got injured before januari. at that moment we were first/second. we started slipping down and then bought matri.
3) lastly, if there was actually a loan, he would have taken it. And Rocchi, scored less in an entire season then matri in half. He was also lazio, why would they gift a direct rival a player ?
@ALC its okay, i understand you dont get it. thats the point
@Goodfella stop chocking on bandwagon cock
@Bjerkness you still dont provide constructive arguments
I always provide constructive arguments. You just didn't understand them.
Folks like JuveJay and BuckFuddy, two guys who are probably somewhat intelligent (at least they can write), provide good points at times. Zach, you never provide good points... at all.
You're the guy who doesn't want Lewandowski here. That says it all.
Folks like JuveJay and BuckFuddy, two guys who are probably somewhat intelligent (at least they can write), provide good points at times. Zach, you never provide good points... at all.
You're the guy who doesn't want Lewandowski here. That says it all.
I provide plenty of good points, and many see it. but my points are constructive, they dont do the popular thing to crash down onto a person.
You only rate it when people think about why Marotte would be bad. When someone comes with positive arguments, you dont rate it no matter how good they are, and just mock them.
Lastly, this is still a forum. I'm not writing a thesis or letter of application in english. You can completely understand what i write, even tho english is the third language in Belgium. So comming down to one's ability to write perfect, especially on a forum, is low.
And i prefer a diffrent player to lewandowski, who today proved he can be wastefull, and not good at all when not supported by his team as he should. thats okay, he's a #9, he should be supported. But it proves he isnt the player that people make of him here.
You only rate it when people think about why Marotte would be bad. When someone comes with positive arguments, you dont rate it no matter how good they are, and just mock them.
Lastly, this is still a forum. I'm not writing a thesis or letter of application in english. You can completely understand what i write, even tho english is the third language in Belgium. So comming down to one's ability to write perfect, especially on a forum, is low.
And i prefer a diffrent player to lewandowski, who today proved he can be wastefull, and not good at all when not supported by his team as he should. thats okay, he's a #9, he should be supported. But it proves he isnt the player that people make of him here.
The problem with the whole "thesis" is that Marotta spends money for players who are not quality. Bayern spends money on players who are quality and use either youth products or cheap players to make up the difference. The fact is, people here are not intelligent enough to understand the difference in business models, and you think that we're on the right path just because we won titles in a weak Serie A.
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To be clear, I think we are on a better path than before. But our strategic plan when it comes to transfers sucks. It is very shortsighted.
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To be clear, I think we are on a better path than before. But our strategic plan when it comes to transfers sucks. It is very shortsighted.
Yeah I'm a retard, so what. Klin could not write a business plan to save his life. He's probably out there in Malta renting scooters to tards from South America, yet it isn't even his own business.
Klin, you're smart enough to develop your own business plan. It takes work, but I think you could do it. You aren't as dumb as I make you out to be here.
Klin, you're smart enough to develop your own business plan. It takes work, but I think you could do it. You aren't as dumb as I make you out to be here.
Marotta apologists above, I love your personal attacks instead of arguments 
No they don't offset the flaws, half of his purchases are horrible panic buys and he has wasted so much money.
He is not a successful manager, he brought in around 6-7 top signings out of 30+. That is a horrible record considering how much money he has wasted. He is the reason why 'we can't afford a top striker', because he wastes so much money.
If we still had Del Neri or someone like Ranieri instead of Conte, you can be sure you wouldn't be saying Marotta is a great manager.
Again, you try to dispute TRUE FACT. Read again carefully, maybe you can admit you're wrong this time.
No, he easily could've loaned someone considering how he is notorious for it but he decided to waste 18m + wages.
And again I did not say Rocchi, I said Rocchi-type transfer, an older player on a very cheap transfer and low wages.
No they don't offset the flaws, half of his purchases are horrible panic buys and he has wasted so much money.
He is not a successful manager, he brought in around 6-7 top signings out of 30+. That is a horrible record considering how much money he has wasted. He is the reason why 'we can't afford a top striker', because he wastes so much money.
If we still had Del Neri or someone like Ranieri instead of Conte, you can be sure you wouldn't be saying Marotta is a great manager.
Again, you try to dispute TRUE FACT. Read again carefully, maybe you can admit you're wrong this time.
No, he easily could've loaned someone considering how he is notorious for it but he decided to waste 18m + wages.
And again I did not say Rocchi, I said Rocchi-type transfer, an older player on a very cheap transfer and low wages.
You know what? By such posts, you always confirm that you really accomplished nothing in your life. You're probably ignored by everyone. Most probably you're as irrelevant as the Indian printer technician where I work at, who had to settle for a woman in her mid-life crisis because no one tolerated you and she could just control you in anyway she likes, and like the pussy that you are, you love it, because deep down you know that you can't do better. You think you know it all, and that is exactly why I consider you to be nothing but a complete lowlife. That's why you make it too easy for me. Next time try a bit harder so maybe you can get a better reaction out of me.
The Bayern model is the business plan that I believe Juve are trying to mirror. However, in order to do that, Juve have to take a slightly different approach, at least for right now, and as they have in the last couple of seasons. Not so much in the theory of buying 1-2 top players every year. I would love to see that. But the other half of the plan. The plan of infusing youth into the squad. Bayern does this to an extent, where they will have a combination of youth from their own system, plus youth purchased from around europe. This provides for just the right amount of balance between youth and experience, keeps the salaries in line with what you are trying to do, and will minimize the turnover effect when the older players have to move on.
Here is the glaring difference though between the two clubs, in my opinion. And again, I could be wrong, so please feel free to dissect this in any way that you choose. The difference between the Juve and Bayern model, is that Juve didn't have anything at all in the youth system to balance out the club. During the previous two regimes, the youth systems, and investing in youth especially, was non-existent. Not "virtually" non-existent, it was non-existent. There was no attempt to create a solid, and consistent pipeline. All the money was used in investing in the senior squad, and if you were in the shoes of those during the era where Juve were in Serie B and the 2 seasons after, you can sort of understand it. Juve had to do something once they got back into Serie A, and it had to be done quickly. A team that carries the name "Juventus" cannot afford to wallow in mediocrity for long. DOesn't happen. Fans won't allow it.
But that is a double edged sword. Although buying name players year after year for several years after promotion keeps the fanbase at bay, it also cripples the other fundamental piece of the sustainability puzzle, which is the investment on the youth system. So, in essence, you are giving yourself an even smaller window of opportunity to make sure that you get these purchases right the first time, for if you spend all of your money on the senior squad,and it doesn't work, you have no backup plan. Then what? You have the squad of 2009-2010, where the first part of the plan caught up with them. An old,expensive squad with no depth.
Enter the new regime, and this is what they see. An old, expensive squad whose best years are behind them, and a bleak outlook for the future. Now, if the 2nd part of the sustainability puzzle had been kept in place, then would the amount of money spent during the 2010-2011 season have been necessary? Probably not. Probably wouldn't have been necessary to sign 10 players in that first year either. But that is what happens when there are no fallback plans, you essentially have to spend an inordinate amount of money on squad players, just to create some depth. Now, I'm not saying that it is wrong or right, that's not what this post is about. However, during that first year in charge, you can start to see a shift in policy, where youth players were starting to be purchased, investments in all parts of the world, not just Italy.
Now, in regards to this, I understand that maybe, maybe 1 out of every 4 young players actually find their way to the senior squad, but if that does happen, it is money spent wisely. It's one thing to have a youth player make the Genoa squad, but to make Juve's senior squad is something entirely different. It means you have the potential to be a true player.
Tons of eggs were broken during the first 2 years of this new regime to make this omelet. Some of those eggs were just downright rotten, we can all acknowledge that. But personally, I can see where this system is going. I think that if you look at the trend the past 3 seasons, and you need to look no further than the player thread on this forum, you can see it. I'm a nearly 10 year veteran of this forum, and I have never seen so much activity on that and the transfer thread on young players before. That, to me is a very good sign. I like where it is going. I'm not happy with everything, mind you, but I'm happier than I was 4 years ago, when I honestly saw no hope whatsoever in the future of this club.
Now, looking at the present and the very near future, there SHOULD NOT BE a need to sign 5-6 players every single year. It is time to have faith in the youth players to offset some of these signings. If these young players are placed alongside true professionals, then they should have some success. It is the ONLY way for a club such as Juventus who are currently in the 2nd tier of revenue generating clubs to stay in step with the top clubs, and to stay one step ahead of their immediate peers.
Here is the glaring difference though between the two clubs, in my opinion. And again, I could be wrong, so please feel free to dissect this in any way that you choose. The difference between the Juve and Bayern model, is that Juve didn't have anything at all in the youth system to balance out the club. During the previous two regimes, the youth systems, and investing in youth especially, was non-existent. Not "virtually" non-existent, it was non-existent. There was no attempt to create a solid, and consistent pipeline. All the money was used in investing in the senior squad, and if you were in the shoes of those during the era where Juve were in Serie B and the 2 seasons after, you can sort of understand it. Juve had to do something once they got back into Serie A, and it had to be done quickly. A team that carries the name "Juventus" cannot afford to wallow in mediocrity for long. DOesn't happen. Fans won't allow it.
But that is a double edged sword. Although buying name players year after year for several years after promotion keeps the fanbase at bay, it also cripples the other fundamental piece of the sustainability puzzle, which is the investment on the youth system. So, in essence, you are giving yourself an even smaller window of opportunity to make sure that you get these purchases right the first time, for if you spend all of your money on the senior squad,and it doesn't work, you have no backup plan. Then what? You have the squad of 2009-2010, where the first part of the plan caught up with them. An old,expensive squad with no depth.
Enter the new regime, and this is what they see. An old, expensive squad whose best years are behind them, and a bleak outlook for the future. Now, if the 2nd part of the sustainability puzzle had been kept in place, then would the amount of money spent during the 2010-2011 season have been necessary? Probably not. Probably wouldn't have been necessary to sign 10 players in that first year either. But that is what happens when there are no fallback plans, you essentially have to spend an inordinate amount of money on squad players, just to create some depth. Now, I'm not saying that it is wrong or right, that's not what this post is about. However, during that first year in charge, you can start to see a shift in policy, where youth players were starting to be purchased, investments in all parts of the world, not just Italy.
Now, in regards to this, I understand that maybe, maybe 1 out of every 4 young players actually find their way to the senior squad, but if that does happen, it is money spent wisely. It's one thing to have a youth player make the Genoa squad, but to make Juve's senior squad is something entirely different. It means you have the potential to be a true player.
Tons of eggs were broken during the first 2 years of this new regime to make this omelet. Some of those eggs were just downright rotten, we can all acknowledge that. But personally, I can see where this system is going. I think that if you look at the trend the past 3 seasons, and you need to look no further than the player thread on this forum, you can see it. I'm a nearly 10 year veteran of this forum, and I have never seen so much activity on that and the transfer thread on young players before. That, to me is a very good sign. I like where it is going. I'm not happy with everything, mind you, but I'm happier than I was 4 years ago, when I honestly saw no hope whatsoever in the future of this club.
Now, looking at the present and the very near future, there SHOULD NOT BE a need to sign 5-6 players every single year. It is time to have faith in the youth players to offset some of these signings. If these young players are placed alongside true professionals, then they should have some success. It is the ONLY way for a club such as Juventus who are currently in the 2nd tier of revenue generating clubs to stay in step with the top clubs, and to stay one step ahead of their immediate peers.
Yes they did. You may have not been alive to see it, but they did. They always built from within. That was the Juve way for the longest time. They would either be homegrown or precocious talents from around the country bought at a very young age. This team never went out and bought 5-7 players every single year, because they had a pipeline in place to counteract that.
And I hate to disagree with you, but Serie B had everything to do with it. It required the club to spend more money than they could quite frankly afford to once they got promoted. The fans and the board would not accept a slow and gradual approach to building themselves bank up the standings. They had to go all-in, right away. This cost them, because some mistakes could not simply be written off as a business loss, because the revenue wasn;t there to support it, and the youth and development side of things caused the club to spend, and overspend, just to have a deep enough squad to be able to compete.
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You're better than this. Don't disappoint me.
