Giuseppe Marotta (54 Viewers)

[Klovn]

Right, with Matri and Quag and little bit of Padoin and Peluso we will achieve many great things.
We would have won Serie A again even without Padoin,Peluso, Giovinco, Bendtner or even Matri and Quag.

Without Bendtner, yes. The other? Nope.

 

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[Fake Melo]

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Imagine this...

Three years ago Juve buys Mario Gomez for 35m eur and last summer Marotta buys some Mandzukic guy who never scored more than 16 goals in a season, even more, he scored them in the weak Croatian league. And now imagine Conte starts this Mandzukic. I'm sure that most of you wouldn't have been thrilled with this striking force of Gomez-Mandzukic.

Wanted or not, we're a work in progress. Take Bayern's starting XI and count how many of those players you'd start in our team. Probably not more than half. It takes time, lots of work, experience and careful addition of players in the team, even if at first glance those players won't look too attractive to the fans. Bayern made one star purchase back in 2007 when they bought Ribery. Robben was an injury plagued flop from Real Madrid. Then you have some strange big investments like Gomez and Martinez, and a bunch of purchases of players you never heard about, like the 28 year old Dante. Bayern spent years of careful planing and failures to create this team. We're only finishing our second year under Conte.
Anyway, as Barca and Bayern can show us, the youth system is really important. We know Barca's home grown stars, and we know that Muller, Schweinsteiger, Alaba, Kroos, Badstuber etc come from Bayern's youth system. We are obviously working a lot on finding youngsters who'll later reach the first team. We're also adding youngish players (Vidal, Bonucci, Asamoah) who we can also imagine as part of a successful Juve in the future.

I'm glad that we're taking the correct road. Teams like Barca and Bayern are actually showing us that their tactics are more successful than the "lets buy us a whole team made of stars" tactics. City, Real and PSG will eventually win something big, but how much time will it take them and how much money?

Let's not forget, couple of years ago Bayern were playing CL qualifiers to make it to the tournament. They rebuilded like us, they had patience and now they are enjoying the fruits of their labour. Last season, our aim was to GET to the CL, but we won the whole league. How did go from wanting to JOIN the CL, to winning it, within one year? I've always said it's too hard for us this season to win the CL, some of these teams are too strong and we don't have the luck & experience of Chelsea. It's not fair to compare us to teams like Bayern and Barca yet, but like you said.. We are taking their road, and eventually we'll get there as well.

 

[Amer]

I have lots of respect for Marotta's work, but to this day I just cannot understand the Isla deal. It was risky and unnecessary transfer back then. Isla was still recovering from major injury and we were well covered in that position (we had Licht, Pepe, Cecares).

IMO Marotta should play it safe this summer and pay the money for some quality and proven forward that can really strengthen this team.

 

[Fake Melo]

I think we signed Isla to make sure Inter & Roma didn't get their hands on him.

He'll be back next season, don't worry.

 

[JuveJay]

I disagree with this. Winning a tournament like the CL is not formulaic. If it was about an economic gap, then Shitty would be winning it every year and their Qatari cousins at PsG would follow that up.

Spending doesn't guarantee you will win it. Only one team can win. If several teams have money it's simple maths.

But can you win it without the kind of financial input the wealthier teams have? Over the last several years the answer is 'no'. Only Dortmund could change that.

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I have lots of respect for Marotta's work, but to this day I just cannot understand the Isla deal. It was risky and unnecessary transfer back then. Isla was still recovering from major injury and we were well covered in that position (we had Licht, Pepe, Cecares).

IMO Marotta should play it safe this summer and pay the money for some quality and proven forward that can really strengthen this team.

Thing is how many expressed these concerns when he was actually signed? When you sign players you don't have the advantage of seeing 8 months into the future.

 

[Ahmed]

Isla's a damn good player who can add a lot offensively when he finds his feet, don't have a problem with his signing at all.

 

[Salvatore]

Maybe maybe not, until we have a youth player in our team, i'll have my reservations on our youth policy.

I don't think their major investments have had time to fail yet either, but I think it's dangerous to rate players on how much competition there was for the signature.

Baggio was sold to Juventus, amid outcry from Fiorentina fans, in 1990 for €10 million (US$13.6 million), the world record transfer for a football player at the time

US$13.6 million back then - huge, huge money

Vialli too.

 

[Suns]

Marotta's money excuse is getting out of hand. We are rich, hell, we've been top spenders in Europe for several years now. Nobody is asking for 5 new stars, we only need 1. This team is already good. And the whole new project thing is also a bit confusing. Marotta did some great job and was smart enough to build a great team really fast. Our project was really lucky and ahead of its time when we achieved the Scudetto in our 2nd year, we don't have to go by the old timetable.

I feel like they are using the money excuse every time something bad happens. We're richer than most of the clubs in CL, including Dortmund who are a top side these days. Spending on top quality is very important right now since we are a quality side. When Marotta inherited the team he could get away with signing 10 players for 50m because we were a 8th seed team back then. But these days only top quality can make us better.

 

[JuveJay]

Problem is (as Andy said earlier), soon we will need to replace the older players (Pirlo, Buffon, Barzagli)...the players like Chiellini will need replacements. We spend too much time trying to get a top player for one position. It's taken years to replace Trez and DP what happens when it's time to replace the GK and CBs?

He needs to seal the deals more quickly I think. That's my only qualm with him. Otherwise I like him

That's when we really see if the groundwork we have put in with young players is successful. We have several defensive prospects, several in midfield. Attack is always a difficult position unless you have an absolute wonderkid coming through.

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Marotta's money excuse is getting out of hand. We are rich, hell, we've been top spenders in Europe for several years now. Nobody is asking for 5 new stars, we only need 1. This team is already good. And the whole new project thing is also a bit confusing. Marotta did some great job and was smart enough to build a great team really fast. Our project was really lucky and ahead of its time when we achieved the Scudetto in our 2nd year, we don't have to go by the old timetable.

I feel like they are using the money excuse every time something bad happens. We're richer than most of the clubs in CL, including Dortmund who are a top side these days. Spending on top quality is very important right now since we are a quality side. When Marotta inherited the team he could get away with signing 10 players for 50m because we were a 8th seed team back then. But these days only top quality can make us better.

Isn't this quite an old argument, the quality > squad depth one?

 

[Fr3sh]

Marotta's inability to sign top players is one thing. But him discarding players that could still be useful today and not finding a suitable replacement is what I have an issue with, heck he didn't even cash in on them! Melo, Trez, Diego, Camo all could be very useful in our current squad, some could have been sold for decent amount, but no...we are getting the much more efficient and spectacular Giach, Bendtner, Elia and Padoin.

 

[JuveJay]

Marotta's inability to sign top players is one thing. But him discarding players that could still be useful today and not finding a suitable replacement is what I have an issue with, heck he didn't even cash in on them! Melo, Trez, Diego, Camo all could be very useful in our current squad, some could have been sold for decent amount, but no...we are getting the much more efficient and spectacular Giach, Bendtner, Elia and Padoin.

That's a bit simplistic, as if there aren't a multitude of reasons why players are bought or sold.

Melo - salary too big for back up
Diego - doesn't fit any system we have
Camo & Trez - in retirement homes

Are those players you mentioned the replacements for the above? Obviously they're not.

 

[Ahmed]

Melo was too wild and poor tactically.

Camo and Trez just couldn't cut it physically anymore, were injured for long periods.

Diego, perhaps could and should have been retained.

 

[Fr3sh]

Camo and Trez could've easily been super-subs, Trez would have prevented the additions of the likes of Anelka and Bendtner. I'm cool with Melo being sold....but for how much again? Same thing with Diego.

 

[Suns]

Isn't this quite an old argument, the quality > squad depth one?

It is, but it's more current than ever right now.

 

[Edoardo]

Disgraceful statement by Marotta. Juventus is not a provincial club like Sampdoria.

 

[JuveJay]

It is, but it's more current than ever right now.

Remember net spend is the key, that shows what we actually can afford. Last summer Southampton spent more net on transfer fees.

It was with the Exor cash injection that we spent big to overhaul a team that failed and then failed again. Even taking that into account if you look at net spend we're behind. But it's the wage structure that kills us, we don't have an extra €50m+ to spend every year.

Since 2007-08 (our return to Serie A):

Manchester City
07/08: -59.5
08/09: -115
09/10: -102
10/11: -124
11/12: -57.3
12/13: -15.5

Total: £473.3m net

Manchester United
07/08: -52.4
08/09: -33.2
09/10: +67.8
10/11: -9.6
11/12: -36.7
12/13: -54

Total: £118.1m net

Chelsea
07/08: -14.3
08/09: +11.9
09/10: -23
10/11: -96.8
11/12: -64.2
12/13: -79

Total: £265.4m net

Real Madrid
07/08: -69.2
08/09: -11.3
09/10: -149.5
10/11: -73
11/12: -41.4
12/13: 0

Total: £344.4m net

Barcelona
07/08: -48
08/09: -35.7
09/10: -77.9
10/11: -17.4
11/12: -11.5
12/13: -28.6

Total: £219.1m net

Bayern
07/08: -45.8
08/09: +9.7
09/10: -45.5
10/11: -6.6
11/12: -34.4
12/13: -61.4

Total: £184m net

Dortmund
07/08: -4.8
08/09: -1.3
09/10: -4
10/11: -1.8
11/12: +0.5
12/13: +5.9

Total: £5.5m net

Juventus
07/08: -36.7
08/09: -8.5
09/10: -40
10/11: -19.9
11/12: -72.2
12/13: -27.6

Total: £204.9m net

Wage bills:

Manchester City - £200m
Real Madrid - £199m
Barcelona - £198m
Chelsea - £172m
Manchester United - £162m
Bayern - £134m
Juventus - £97.8m
Dortmund - £68m

 

[Hydde]

In another four years we will have several of our core players into their thirties and will have to begin replacing them. Hopefully Marotta has some serious wonder kids scouted; either that or go create another manager for Real Madrid and buy Pepe for 2 billion dollars.

Lets hope he has a plan,... because at this pace, when his plan is complete every of our main players will be 32 and up

 

[baggio]

Spending doesn't guarantee you will win it. Only one team can win. If several teams have money it's simple maths.

But can you win it without the kind of financial input the wealthier teams have? Over the last several years the answer is 'no'. Only Dortmund could change that..

I think Its possible. Juve beat Chelsea in this edition, they probably would've beaten PsG or Malaga too. Unfortunately they got a well rested Munich side instead. Even in the mix of the so called richer clubs, you'll find it's the ones with the most tradition up there, so clearly mentality, belief and experience play their part. The money excuse is going to go on forever for as long as Marrotta is at the helm of affairs. We are going to have t find a way around it I'm afraid. Especially considering our issues lie mainly in one area and won't be a recurring expense if we spend intelligently.

Isn't this quite an old argument, the quality > squad depth one?

Would say its relevant this season, playing off the two seasons he's spent building the team.

 

[Ahmed]

we have been operating at a loss for the past 3 seasons, how is it an excuse?

 

[baggio]

That's funny, despite making these losses, we were interested in signing Van Persie and Aguero. We haven't been able to for a number of reasons, but being in the red isn't the primary one, because we've spent fairly substantially. And had a cash injection too. Spending that kind of money, now needs to be channelized and prioritized.