Jul 20, 2012
20,044
Martinez still remains his pièce de résistance.

He has made some brilliant signings there's no doubting it, but his credibility drops significantly when he's out signing average players like Elia, Bendtner and Padoin who aren't needed and are no improvements over the other players in their positions.

Also, no offence to Giacch, but did we really need him? He's a decent player but our midfield is so stacked already. Forgive me if there was a buyout clause incorporated in his loan agreement (but then who said you had to oblige the other team **cough Melo cough**)
Marotta doesnt know what a class player is, he thought Martinez was class and he bought him off of Catania. We just give money to clubs and all we gain is alot of wages, and then are stuck with players like Iaquinta, ziegler, padoin,giaccherini, martinez, melo, amauri
 

baggio

Senior Member
Jun 3, 2003
19,250
The man has been far too conditioned by his time in mid table. The penny pinching, and last minute panic buys are things small and mid table clubs do. You canto expect him to understand completely the approach of a huge club like Juve. He has never dealt with signing players of a certain calibre before and its unchartered territory for him, which is why he struggles to negotiate or is unwilling to, and pulls out and says we don't go to bidding wars. It's completely evident he lacks the ability. This pattern of being rejected is becoming a worrying sign, when its the third year that its happening.

What's even more worrying is, that given that we didn't sign our first to fifth choice strikers, Marrotta waited this late to sign the plan b, c, d or e. So there was literally no backup plan for the whole situation, which is why it came down to scrapping with Fiorentina for Berba, and being rejected for Fulham, and then desperately signing Bendtner. Just shows the strategy or lack thereof, with which he operates when it comes to the crunch. And post that, having the balls to say we don't need a striker. The audacity of the man. This incompetency is telling in a way, that just makes you realise that he's not capable of achieving any more than this.
 

Cheesio

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Jul 11, 2006
22,514
We've gone from Cavani to Bendtner in one summer :howler:

The guy is so incompetent and he should be fired ASAP.

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The man has been far too conditioned by his time in mid table. The penny pinching, and last minute panic buys are things small and mid table clubs do. You canto expect him to understand completely the approach of a huge club like Juve. He has never dealt with signing players of a certain calibre before and its unchartered territory for him, which is why he struggles to negotiate or is unwilling to, and pulls out and says we don't go to bidding wars. It's completely evident he lacks the ability. This pattern of being rejected is becoming a worrying sign, when its the third year that its happening.

What's even more worrying is, that given that we didn't sign our first to fifth choice strikers, Marrotta waited this late to sign the plan b, c, d or e. So there was literally no backup plan for the whole situation, which is why it came down to scrapping with Fiorentina for Berba, and being rejected for Fulham, and then desperately signing Bendtner. Just shows the strategy or lack thereof, with which he operates when it comes to the crunch. And post that, having the balls to say we don't need a striker. The audacity of the man. This incompetency is telling in a way, that just makes you realise that he's not capable of achieving any more than this.
:tup:
 

baggio

Senior Member
Jun 3, 2003
19,250
You know what's sad is, us fans are going to lose faith in our own club thanks to this scenario. Agnelli talking about a Plasma. Nedved talking about knowing how to bring the top player. Marrotta dropping names. It's all just so sad. Trezeguet went, nothing changed. Alex went, and we didn't even ask for a top player, they are the ones who brought it up and created a hoopla around this and created this dream in our heads. This is the kind of stuff that makes you lose credibility.
 
Jul 20, 2012
20,044
The man has been far too conditioned by his time in mid table. The penny pinching, and last minute panic buys are things small and mid table clubs do. You canto expect him to understand completely the approach of a huge club like Juve. He has never dealt with signing players of a certain calibre before and its unchartered territory for him, which is why he struggles to negotiate or is unwilling to, and pulls out and says we don't go to bidding wars. It's completely evident he lacks the ability. This pattern of being rejected is becoming a worrying sign, when its the third year that its happening.

What's even more worrying is, that given that we didn't sign our first to fifth choice strikers, Marrotta waited this late to sign the plan b, c, d or e. So there was literally no backup plan for the whole situation, which is why it came down to scrapping with Fiorentina for Berba, and being rejected for Fulham, and then desperately signing Bendtner. Just shows the strategy or lack thereof, with which he operates when it comes to the crunch. And post that, having the balls to say we don't need a striker. The audacity of the man. This incompetency is telling in a way, that just makes you realise that he's not capable of achieving any more than this.
If juve make it some where in the champions league and win the scudetto im thinking agnelli will renew his contract. But if we do win the scudetto we need a player like cavani, and marrotta did a bad job but you havbe to put into account, how much was his budget for one player? He spent 18m on the likes of asamoah and isla. Was the 20m limit true? anyway i hope he gets fired and we get someone who will complete a promise
 

j0ker

Capo di tutti capi
Jan 5, 2006
22,892
I have no idea what the hell does he think, he has all year to find a decent striker just to end up with a panic buy. Di Natale (rejected us), Quag, Floro Flores (rejected us), Paolucci, Toni, Matri and now Bentdner.

How does one explain this, let alone try to find an excuse.
 

baggio

Senior Member
Jun 3, 2003
19,250
If juve make it some where in the champions league and win the scudetto im thinking agnelli will renew his contract. But if we do win the scudetto we need a player like cavani, and marrotta did a bad job but you havbe to put into account, how much was his budget for one player? He spent 18m on the likes of asamoah and isla. Was the 20m limit true? anyway i hope he gets fired and we get someone who will complete a promise
If you're publicly admitting you want to be a contender for the champions league and you are dropping names of the elite lot of strikers circulating in Europe, you bloody well be prepared to drop the cash. John Elkann went as far as saying that Marrotta had e money this season to reinforce with quality. As far as I'm concerned, we are going to see the same Juve as last year with the same issues. The difference will be that you'll have a 352 all year round and Isla instead of Ljcht on the right, not complementing, but replacing him, with Pogba giving Pirlo a bit of a breather every now and then. Marrone and Asamoah being the jokers in the pack. The team has just bulked up to handle three competitions, but in no way have improved on being more effective in front of goal. The same issues will plague us, with different players and a new/old formation. Its a fallacy to think this team will win anything easily next season.
 
Jul 20, 2012
20,044
If you're publicly admitting you want to be a contender for the champions league and you are dropping names of the elite lot of strikers circulating in Europe, you bloody well be prepared to drop the cash. John Elkann went as far as saying that Marrotta had e money this season to reinforce with quality. As far as I'm concerned, we are going to see the same Juve as last year with the same issues. The difference will be that you'll have a 352 all year round and Isla instead of Ljcht on the right, not complementing, but replacing him, with Pogba giving Pirlo a bit of a breather every now and then. Marrone and Asamoah being the jokers in the pack. The team has just bulked up to handle three competitions, but in no way have improved on being more effective in front of goal. The same issues will plague us, with different players and a new/old formation. Its a fallacy to think this team will win anything easily next season.
Since when did i say we will win easily? I said if we win
 

fredrik

Senior Member
Aug 7, 2011
7,239
If you're publicly admitting you want to be a contender for the champions league and you are dropping names of the elite lot of strikers circulating in Europe, you bloody well be prepared to drop the cash. John Elkann went as far as saying that Marrotta had e money this season to reinforce with quality. As far as I'm concerned, we are going to see the same Juve as last year with the same issues. The difference will be that you'll have a 352 all year round and Isla instead of Ljcht on the right, not complementing, but replacing him, with Pogba giving Pirlo a bit of a breather every now and then. Marrone and Asamoah being the jokers in the pack. The team has just bulked up to handle three competitions, but in no way have improved on being more effective in front of goal. The same issues will plague us, with different players and a new/old formation. Its a fallacy to think this team will win anything easily next season.

i would argue that thats more important than having the wc striker in our situation. i would rather finish top 3 in italy and crash out in groupstage in cl, than reach semifinals in cl and finish outside top 3 in italy. Napoli failed at this last year. the team could not handle 3 competitions.

at this stage juve have to play in cl EVERY year, so that should be the priority. soon wc strikers will be begging to play for us again:)

also without the striker, we are good enough to progress from our group
 

PedroFlu

Senior Member
Sep 20, 2011
7,166
Martinez still remains his pièce de résistance.

He has made some brilliant signings there's no doubting it, but his credibility drops significantly when he's out signing average players like Elia, Bendtner and Padoin who aren't needed and are no improvements over the other players in their positions.

Also, no offence to Giacch, but did we really need him? He's a decent player but our midfield is so stacked already. Forgive me if there was a buyout clause incorporated in his loan agreement (but then who said you had to oblige the other team **cough Melo cough**)
Agreed. But stg must be taken into account: Marotta doesn't exactly decides on his own which signings will be made. He executes them all. But I think it's a collective decision along with Conte. Padoin, for example, was clearly unnecessary yet Conte demanded him. How can u say no to him with all the great job he's done with this team? I think it was also Conte's idea to chase Peluso, for example.

So sometimes resposibility have to be shared with Conte for shitty/average signings.

---------- Post added 31.08.2012 at 00:42 ----------

The man has been far too conditioned by his time in mid table. The penny pinching, and last minute panic buys are things small and mid table clubs do. You canto expect him to understand completely the approach of a huge club like Juve. He has never dealt with signing players of a certain calibre before and its unchartered territory for him, which is why he struggles to negotiate or is unwilling to, and pulls out and says we don't go to bidding wars. It's completely evident he lacks the ability. This pattern of being rejected is becoming a worrying sign, when its the third year that its happening.

What's even more worrying is, that given that we didn't sign our first to fifth choice strikers, Marrotta waited this late to sign the plan b, c, d or e. So there was literally no backup plan for the whole situation, which is why it came down to scrapping with Fiorentina for Berba, and being rejected for Fulham, and then desperately signing Bendtner. Just shows the strategy or lack thereof, with which he operates when it comes to the crunch. And post that, having the balls to say we don't need a striker. The audacity of the man. This incompetency is telling in a way, that just makes you realise that he's not capable of achieving any more than this.
True.

That's what I'm saying: Agnelli should think about someone more ambitious and used to play with the big boys when it comes to transfers. Marotta's job has been good overall, but now it's time to get someone more daring.
 

Fake Melo

Ghost Division
Sep 3, 2010
37,077
There were so many good players available, yet he waited for so long. That was his biggest mistake. If he knew we weren't signing someone like Van Persie, why not sign Hunterlaar, Palacio, even someone like Maxi Lopez earlier in the mercato? Personally, I think that Palacio would do very well here.

I guess he was caught off guard as his plan was to sign Pazzini.
 
May 4, 2004
11,622
The man has been far too conditioned by his time in mid table. The penny pinching, and last minute panic buys are things small and mid table clubs do. You canto expect him to understand completely the approach of a huge club like Juve. He has never dealt with signing players of a certain calibre before and its unchartered territory for him, which is why he struggles to negotiate or is unwilling to, and pulls out and says we don't go to bidding wars. It's completely evident he lacks the ability. This pattern of being rejected is becoming a worrying sign, when its the third year that its happening.

What's even more worrying is, that given that we didn't sign our first to fifth choice strikers, Marrotta waited this late to sign the plan b, c, d or e. So there was literally no backup plan for the whole situation, which is why it came down to scrapping with Fiorentina for Berba, and being rejected for Fulham, and then desperately signing Bendtner. Just shows the strategy or lack thereof, with which he operates when it comes to the crunch. And post that, having the balls to say we don't need a striker. The audacity of the man. This incompetency is telling in a way, that just makes you realise that he's not capable of achieving any more than this.
:tup:
 

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