Lo-Pan

Disciple of Gonzo
Feb 11, 2009
2,788
Amauri was very good when he was playing for palermo. We don't have enough money to buy Torres also so ...
he was Decent for Palermo, but nowhere near worth what we paid for him. else he would have been tougher to sign due to competition from other clubs...I vaguely recall Milan having a tentative interest...It was a very bad piece of business. he gave us one season of tapi-ins, then choked, and has been trying to breathe now, for a season and a half. More of a flop than Tiago, or Poulsen, partly because of the financial aspects of the deal plus wages, but also because he has fallen further down than those two.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
115,984
Sigh.

Yes, if a player doesn't perform at one point in time, then he choked. That has to be the mainstream thinking now.

But that's OK. All it means is that Del Piero was a choker for years and aspiring footballers should not be ashamed.
 

noussa

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2008
751
Blog: Trust in Marotta

Juventus’ new signings have been greeted with scepticism among the club’s fans, but James Horncastle believes they should trust Beppe Marotta
Writing to the club’s fans on Juventus’ official website 12 days ago, Andrea Agnelli set out his vision for the new Old Lady, calling for patience and pragmatism going forward. “Football, above all in this summer period, is made up of words, interviews, flights of emotions and sometimes illusions,” he wrote passionately. “I think that dreams must always be accompanied by reality and sincerity.”

Juventus’ recent forays into the transfer market are certainly indicative of that way of thinking. The Bianconeri have already spent €43.5m this summer on four new players, a figure that signifies ambition and which should therefore set fans’ pulses racing. Instead, each of the moves – with the exception of Leonardo Bonucci’s – have been greeted as underwhelming and some supporters have even expressed disappointment.

Simone Pepe, Jorge Martinez and Marco Storari certainly haven’t generated the same level of optimism that surrounded the arrivals of Diego and Felipe Melo last season. That’s partly because firstly the Brazilians failed to live up to the expectations their price tags created, secondly fans are mindful of not getting carried away after last season and, finally, three of the four signings have little or no star quality, having shone so far only on the provincial stage.

Writing in La Gazzetta dello Sport, Sandro Veronesi reacted to the signings with a degree of disdain. “It will take something else for Juventus to return to greatness, and therefore we can deduce that Juve don’t intend to return to being great, but rather to curl up together with the others at Inter’s feet and content themselves with fighting for positioning. It’s very sad, but it’s like this.”

That sentiment is harsh, although Juventus’ new transfer strategy isn’t beyond reproach. When Gigi Del Neri and Beppe Marotta arrived at the club from Sampdoria in May, both agreed with Alberto Zaccheroni’s assessment that the Bianconeri weren’t in need of a revolution. “There is the risk of throwing the baby out with the bathwater, of getting rid of some players who will then go on to success elsewhere,” Zac said before leaving his post.

Nevertheless, areas of the team evidently needed improving, such as at centre-back, right-back, on the wings and up front, but the question is if Del Neri and Marotta were still at Samp, who would they have bought this summer? It’s not unrealistic to think they would still have signed Pepe, Martinez and Storari who was on loan at Marassi from Milan anyway. They are definitely players of Sampdoria’s calibre, but what about Juventus?

That in turn leads to another question. If Del Neri and Marotta fish in the same pond as Sampdoria instead of, say, Inter, do Juventus risk becoming like the Blucerchiati? My implication being that remaking Sampdoria in Turin is to play for fourth place and not for the Scudetto. Juventus appear to be doing business down Main Street, not Wall Street this summer, but given they missed out on the Champions League and are still recovering financially from Calciopoli, that’s unsurprising.

Fans should rein in their expectations and trust in Marotta, who Agnelli called Juventus’ “most important acquisition of the 2010-11 campaign”. His signings may appear lacklustre, but they have a logic and form part of a bigger picture that isn’t yet visible to the naked eye.

“The greatness of a club isn’t only granted by the technical level of the players,” Marotta told La Gazzetta dello Sport on Monday. “Spending is not enough to have success. The added value comes from the culture that the club transmits to individuals – the sense of belonging, the spirit of competition, and the desire to always improve oneself. Once that is obtained you also derive discipline.” And that’s what Juventus need the most from this transfer campaign.
 

Suns

Release clause?
May 22, 2009
22,086
“The greatness of a club isn’t only granted by the technical level of the players,” Marotta told La Gazzetta dello Sport on Monday. “Spending is not enough to have success. The added value comes from the culture that the club transmits to individuals – the sense of belonging, the spirit of competition, and the desire to always improve oneself. Once that is obtained you also derive discipline.” And that’s what Juventus need the most from this transfer campaign.
All of that sounds good and all, but what Juventus need from this transfer campaign is new quality players to avoid getting 7th place again. At the end of the day, the players are going to get the results out there and if they don't have the quality then there is not enough sense of belonging in the world that will take this team back to where it belongs.
 

Ahmed

Principino
Sep 3, 2006
47,928
All of that sounds good and all, but what Juventus need from this transfer campaign is new quality players to avoid getting 7th place again. At the end of the day, the players are going to get the results out there and if they don't have the quality then there is not enough sense of belonging in the world that will take this team back to where it belongs.
We already have quality players...a full strength Juventus starting lineup and with a proper gameplan can easily win the Scudetto... we need to build on that, and create a team, not sign big name players like Madrid and expect success overnight.
 

Klin

نحن الروبوتات
May 27, 2009
61,692
Sure it can. Look at Chelsea. They hadn't won the PL in decades. They get a load of money and they win it 4 times in a few years.
OK. I should rephrase my post to "money alone can't buy you success". Obviously money plays a big part if one wants to build a winning team, I was just implying that money alone can't guarantee you success without a capable management, world class coach and good transfers. Just look at City the past season.

No I did not. Go watch some porn now. :D
 

The Curr

Senior Member
Feb 3, 2007
33,705
OK. I should rephrase my post to "money alone can't buy you success". Obviously money plays a big part if one wants to build a winning team, I was just implying that money alone can't guarantee you success without a capable management, world class coach and good transfers.
Obviously, but money is a huge help.

Just look at City the past season.
They didn't achieve instant success but they are improving.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
Moderator
Apr 14, 2005
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“The greatness of a club isn’t only granted by the technical level of the players,” Marotta told La Gazzetta dello Sport on Monday. “Spending is not enough to have success. The added value comes from the culture that the club transmits to individuals – the sense of belonging, the spirit of competition, and the desire to always improve oneself. Once that is obtained you also derive discipline.” And that’s what Juventus need the most from this transfer campaign.
what a bunch of platitudinal crap, stop talking and close some actual deals you cafone
 

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