Giuseppe Marotta (118 Viewers)

[.zero]

Id love to know how many times the words "mediocre" and "Italians" are used in the same sentence. Seriously its getting beyond tiring now.

Maybe the italians should do something about their mediocrity

the season isnt over so you guys judge his work at the end of the season and i believe and hope that we will reach the cl. he made some good transfers actually. quagla, aquilani, matri, bonucci , storari, barzagli were all good transfers. martinez cant be judged he played not so often but in ps3 he is good. pepe, motta will be sent back hopefully also here we can see beppe made a good deal to take them on loan. and i remember how some members hailed the acquasition of motta. so which transfer was a failure? i was also sad when he sold camo, trez, diego but thats life. diego didnt fit in del neris system quagla was the replacement and was a succes. in my opinion we should all support this guy and hope that we will reach the 4th spot and give marotta more time to prove himself. he is not moggi and will never be but some critics are really silly.

Are you running for an officers position for "The Society"?

I think Neutrol's treasurer position is up for election

 

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[.zero]

Marotta apologists and supporters are now simply known as "The Society"

 

[Lo-Pan]

That would be pretty much as good as saying he's leaving and would only increase instability in the squad.

People are finding silly reasons to criticise him now.

i couldn't agree more, mr curr...

And to be honest, if someone asked me if i regret the diego sale, i would say something similar to how marotta responded...regardless of how much i like brazilian players ultra comfortable on the ball, and who has real potential to be high quality in everything offensive on the field, the only thing i regret about the sale, is the price, but secco overpaid for him the year before, as he did for most of his signings...also...quags came in and made much more of an impact than diego did last year. so yes. i agree with marotta...he wasn't blaming diego for wolfsburg's demise, only idiots paraphrase such bullshit. he was simply saying 'well, no i do not regret selling a player, who has done very little to impress anyone at his new club, who have had a bad season'...

marotta has done enough in less than one season to convince me he is a major improvement over secco. Matri, Sorenson, quagiarellia, storari...all brilliant signings. with bonucci doing OK, a very clever move for aquilani, and i actually quite like the exchange of centre back reserve Legro for Barzagli...pepe has not been wretched...only martinez, traore, motta, toni seem total failures, and the only costly one of those is martinez. Some hits, some misses...definitely preferable to MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS which was Secco.

 

[Rollie]

i couldn't agree more, mr curr...

And to be honest, if someone asked me if i regret the diego sale, i would say something similar to how marotta responded...regardless of how much i like brazilian players ultra comfortable on the ball, and who has real potential to be high quality in everything offensive on the field, the only thing i regret about the sale, is the price, but secco overpaid for him the year before, as he did for most of his signings...also...quags came in and made much more of an impact than diego did last year. so yes. i agree with marotta...he wasn't blaming diego for wolfsburg's demise, only idiots paraphrase such bullshit. he was simply saying 'well, no i do not regret selling a player, who has done very little to impress anyone at his new club, who have had a bad season'...

marotta has done enough in less than one season to convince me he is a major improvement over secco. Matri, Sorenson, quagiarellia, storari...all brilliant signings. with bonucci doing OK, a very clever move for aquilani, and i actually quite like the exchange of centre back reserve Legro for Barzagli...pepe has not been wretched...only martinez, traore, motta, toni seem total failures, and the only costly one of those is martinez. Some hits, some misses...definitely preferable to MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS which was Secco.

Martinez looks like a miss, but even if he was decent, how exactly can it be said that he fits properly in a 4-4-2? He's not suited for a flat 4 midfield. Marotta didn't even BUY a proper LM! And he cost just under what Diego - another player who apparently didn't fit - was sold for.

I think you should add in the Trez giveaway as one of his major failures.

I also think you should add in his failure to prioritize our worst positions from the previous THREE seasons - the fullback slots - as MAJOR failures.

You can say whatever you want about the Diego sale, selling a player for 10M less than what we bought him for a year earlier, without giving him another chance, is not smart. Look at Melo now. Doing it right at the end of the transfer season in a panic, missing out on his two intended transfers (Di Natale and Boriello), etc.

He's proven in both windows that he can't prioritize worth shit. That's why we're involved in panic sales and purchases (Toni), that's why we have glaring holes in the lineup.

The Option on Seba - Not a good move either.

So you effectively called me an idiot (even if unintentional) for paraphrasing his comments on Diego, and some of that may be down to translation. But the fact of the matter is, pointing to Wolfsburg's struggles to justify that sale, and the manner of that sale, is fucking weak ass shit IMO.

With all the problems Wolfsburg has had, it's no wonder they're doing poorly, and I don't think it's 'fair' to point to that sale as a good move simply because the player hasn't settled at his new club.

Despite all this, I don't think he should be canned, because you can't be changing your sporting director every year. It destabilizes the team way too much. But GD should be canned, and if we go through another poor mercato which is reflected in our results, Marotta job should be on the line.

Also, claiming that Marotta is better than a former assistant who had zero experience in the role and never deserved to be sporting director in the first place, is not exactly a strong point.

 

[Max]

Rollie's breathing fire, fuck. Well-said!

 

[da_ledgeaun]

top post Rollie..

 

[only-juve]

couldn't agree more, Rollie

 

[Lo-Pan]

Martinez looks like a miss, but even if he was decent, how exactly can it be said that he fits properly in a 4-4-2? He's not suited for a flat 4 midfield. Marotta didn't even BUY a proper LM! And he cost just under what Diego - another player who apparently didn't fit - was sold for.

I think you should add in the Trez giveaway as one of his major failures.

I also think you should add in his failure to prioritize our worst positions from the previous THREE seasons - the fullback slots - as MAJOR failures.

You can say whatever you want about the Diego sale, selling a player for 10M less than what we bought him for a year earlier, without giving him another chance, is not smart. Look at Melo now. Doing it right at the end of the transfer season in a panic, missing out on his two intended transfers (Di Natale and Boriello), etc.

He's proven in both windows that he can't prioritize worth shit. That's why we're involved in panic sales and purchases (Toni), that's why we have glaring holes in the lineup.

The Option on Seba - Not a good move either.

So you effectively called me an idiot (even if unintentional) for paraphrasing his comments on Diego, and some of that may be down to translation. But the fact of the matter is, pointing to Wolfsburg's struggles to justify that sale, and the manner of that sale, is fucking weak ass shit IMO.

With all the problems Wolfsburg has had, it's no wonder they're doing poorly, and I don't think it's 'fair' to point to that sale as a good move simply because the player hasn't settled at his new club.

Despite all this, I don't think he should be canned, because you can't be changing your sporting director every year. It destabilizes the team way too much. But GD should be canned, and if we go through another poor mercato which is reflected in our results, Marotta job should be on the line.

Also, claiming that Marotta is better than a former assistant who had zero experience in the role and never deserved to be sporting director in the first place, is not exactly a strong point.

it is idiotic to assume marotta meant more than what he actually said, then react to that assumption with abuse and pointlessly negative personal attacks on the man. I am no major marotta fan, but am happier with him at juve than Secco...a definite improvement. which is a valid point to me. but perhaps easier, to go with your method...and simply say 'its a strong point' or 'its not a strong point'. interesting method of arguing. still, i am well aware what matters to me matters less to others, and vice versa...i am not yet hugely pro or hugely anti marotta...his mistakes = his successes so far.

who pointed out the diego move as a 'good move'??? i certainly didn't. and neither did marotta. all he said, and i am saying, is that he has not gone onto great success, so no regrets so far. perhaps i am wrong, if so, i hold up my hands and apologize for my mistaken stance...but i thought marotta was asked if he regretted the diego sale???

and after your apparent...hohohoohoho...'fire breathing'...you agree with me that he should not yet be given the axe. deserves the summer to see what he can do with more time and a much better idea of what we need and what we lack.

 

[Bjerknes]

Martinez looks like a miss, but even if he was decent, how exactly can it be said that he fits properly in a 4-4-2? He's not suited for a flat 4 midfield. Marotta didn't even BUY a proper LM! And he cost just under what Diego - another player who apparently didn't fit - was sold for.

I think you should add in the Trez giveaway as one of his major failures.

I also think you should add in his failure to prioritize our worst positions from the previous THREE seasons - the fullback slots - as MAJOR failures.

You can say whatever you want about the Diego sale, selling a player for 10M less than what we bought him for a year earlier, without giving him another chance, is not smart. Look at Melo now. Doing it right at the end of the transfer season in a panic, missing out on his two intended transfers (Di Natale and Boriello), etc.

He's proven in both windows that he can't prioritize worth shit. That's why we're involved in panic sales and purchases (Toni), that's why we have glaring holes in the lineup.

The Option on Seba - Not a good move either.

So you effectively called me an idiot (even if unintentional) for paraphrasing his comments on Diego, and some of that may be down to translation. But the fact of the matter is, pointing to Wolfsburg's struggles to justify that sale, and the manner of that sale, is fucking weak ass shit IMO.

With all the problems Wolfsburg has had, it's no wonder they're doing poorly, and I don't think it's 'fair' to point to that sale as a good move simply because the player hasn't settled at his new club.

Despite all this, I don't think he should be canned, because you can't be changing your sporting director every year. It destabilizes the team way too much. But GD should be canned, and if we go through another poor mercato which is reflected in our results, Marotta job should be on the line.

Also, claiming that Marotta is better than a former assistant who had zero experience in the role and never deserved to be sporting director in the first place, is not exactly a strong point.

Rollie is right, Pothead is wrong.

+REP

 

[icemaη]

His biggest failure is that he failed to read what this club needed. And because of that he went about stacking players without actually knowing what the hell he was doing. He tried to make a mark by removing anything related to the previous transfer director and completely revolutionize the team when only a bit of tweaking was needed.

And considering Secco had absolutely no clue about what the role demanded and we brought this guy for his experience, I don't see how we can say he's better than Secco. He has done close to nothing to show that he's capable of doing his part to lead this team out of its misery. And don't start with the wages, he bought a crippled Toni to add to our ever growing crippled strikers list.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

His biggest failure is that he failed to read what this club needed. And because of that he went about stacking players without actually knowing what the hell he was doing. He tried to make a mark by removing anything related to the previous transfer director and completely revolutionize the team when only a bit of tweaking was needed.

And considering Secco had absolutely no clue about what the role demanded and we brought this guy for his experience, I don't see how we can say he's better than Secco. He has done close to nothing to show that he's capable of doing his part to lead this team out of its misery. And don't start with the wages, he bought a crippled Toni to add to our ever growing crippled strikers list.

In the end, all that matters are results. Secco & the other guys got a shitload of criticism, some of it deserved, some of it undeserved imo.

But let's be fair: Secco had his role for 4 seasons (3,5 actually if we're going into details). 3 of those were a success, one was a complete failure.
Marotta now has his role for (almost) 1 season. It's not over yet of course, but by the looks of it, it's going to be a complete failure.

So I don't see how you can say Marotta has done better than the previous one. There's just no basis whatsoever for that. At least not yet.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

Overpaid for Storari?

Ridiculously overpaid considering our transfer budget. Financing Milan's transfer campaign is its bonus.

 

[Rollie]

Do yourself a favor and skip to the next post, people. Seriously

it is idiotic to assume marotta meant more than what he actually said, then react to that assumption with abuse and pointlessly negative personal attacks on the man. I am no major marotta fan, but am happier with him at juve than Secco...a definite improvement. which is a valid point to me. but perhaps easier, to go with your method...and simply say 'its a strong point' or 'its not a strong point'. interesting method of arguing. still, i am well aware what matters to me matters less to others, and vice versa...i am not yet hugely pro or hugely anti marotta...his mistakes = his successes so far..

who pointed out the diego move as a 'good move'??? i certainly didn't. and neither did marotta. all he said, and i am saying, is that he has not gone onto great success, so no regrets so far. perhaps i am wrong, if so, i hold up my hands and apologize for my mistaken stance...but i thought marotta was asked if he regretted the diego sale???

and after your apparent...hohohoohoho...'fire breathing'...you agree with me that he should not yet be given the axe. deserves the summer to see what he can do with more time and a much better idea of what we need and what we lack.

Spoiler

Alright, I know this will be unnecessarily long, but here goes.

Lo-Pan, I called him a moron because I am not a fan of his work- it's really not the great personal attack you're making it out to be. I've cited the reasons for my negativity, and I feel like I'm entitled to that opinion, just like you're entitled to your opinion that it's pointless, or that I'm an idiot. Hypothetically, 9/10s of what is on these boards could be classified as pointless, but I digress.

Anyway, I find your first point somewhat hypocritical, considering you called me an idiot and now idiotic. Stop this terribly negative, personal attack...

But moving on...

I contend that my 'idiotic assumptions' are grounded in some pretty solid deductive logic.

If he doesn't 'regret' something, in my opinion it generally would mean that he's saying he would do it again. Following this path, one would further assume that he's saying he believes his decision to be 'right'.

When people don't regret decisions that they feel have gone against them, it's usually because they've learned something valuable in the process. I don't believe that's the case here. It could also mean that they're full of shit, and lying because they don't want to admit they were wrong - but I have no reason to assume that's happening here.

If he's citing Diego's and Wolfsburg's current status, I would assume that he's generally using that information to back the point that he believes in his decision. I've criticized him for that, because I disagree with him, and because I believe that type of assessment is painfully superficial and reductive.

I've allowed that it's possible something could be lost in translation here, but I don't believe that to be the case.

As for my "interesting method of argument", I'm not sure what sort of techniques you usually employ in a debate, but I'm pretty sure it's nearly universally accepted that critiquing the strength and validity of another's point is fundamental to the process.

Just because Marotta's results are "Better" does not mean the new results are satisfactory and IMO they certainly shouldn't be considered as desirable - considering this is Juventus, the bar is obviously set pretty high. That's why I feel it's a weak point, but I'm sure you understand that.

Yes, I realize how fucked up things were under Secco, and that patience is necessary, which is why I think Marotta should be retained through the next window.

Oh, and as for "who pointed out the Diego move as a good move" - well, clearly I'm saying that is what I believe Marotta is inferring here - that he believes in his decision.

BTW, I said "You can say whatever you want", I didn't assert your personal opinion there.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

next post

 

[JuveJay]

Eye jokes, always useful when one has nothing worthwhile to say.

What Marotta says on past events matters little, whether there is a positive or negative outcome from those acts is what determines whether people praise him or use every word he says as a tool to beat him with. Marotta and his signings are judged just like the players and coach - by results. Results are generally shit, so he'll have to expect a large amount of criticism. If you are going to be unreasonable and irrational then you can apportion most of the blame to him.

All I know is that this season hasn't been near good enough, as a complete package. I didn't see too many complaints when we bought and sold the players we did in the summer, quite the opposite in many cases, with the exception of Diego and his loyal band of followers. One thing we did all point out was the shoddy fullbacks. That, the restrictive 4-4-2 hybrid of Delneri and injuries to our strikers are the key reasons in my opinion. The signing of Martinez is also bewildering, he doesn't even fit tactically, which contradicts the sale of Diego.

 

[Rollie]

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HA!

Actually, I just thought of something...

 

[Fake Melo]

As said in Villas Boas-thread.

Actually, this whole Marotta needed to clean up after Secco shit is really get boring. Marotta didn't need a revolution, he just needed an evolution. He had a choice, he could continue to build from where Secco left or start all over again. He did not need to bring a 4-4-2 horny limited coach. He could have brought a coach who knows how to play a trequartista. Instead of bringing medicore Italians like Pepe and Motta he could have signed Caceres permanent or loaned him for another season. Marotta put himself in this mess and it's up to him to get out of it.
He asked our board for two-three years and that's what he is getting, there is nothing we can do about it. He only needed to bring a better coach and players with ambition.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Most people agreed that Caceres wasn't good enough and that Motta was a good signing.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Wasnt he non-EU? If we signed him, then it would be no Krasic

 

[Fake Melo]

We could have signed him before the rule was changed, he wouldn't count then.