dolph

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Financially we could have signed both if we were smart.

Firmino is as versatile as attacking midfielders get. He would have been the best solution for our problem, bar the obvious high end players like Isco. Then Pastore, Gaitan, Anderson. All of them fantastic players and financially below crazy 60mil transfer fee area.

At the end even the $#@!ty ones like Draxler looked kinda attractive. And then Hernanes arrived
I only seen Firmino in 3-4 games and in those games he has always played as a SS. Can he even play as an AM. For me he has a lot of the same charateristics as Dybala. Dybala is just more talented.
 

lgorTudor

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I only seen Firmino in 3-4 games and in those games he has always played as a SS. Can he even play as an AM. For me he has a lot of the same charateristics as Dybala. Dybala is just more talented.
Yes he played in 4-2-3-1 a lot, but also in a 4-4-2ish structure as LM with Volland on the other side.

Would have been a perfect counterpart to Dybala in 4-3-3 and playmaker in 4-3-1-2.

Imagine
 

DUKAC

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But what's the problem here? Hamsik would be much better than Draxler that's for sure.



Oscar didn't want to leave, why repeating the same bull$#@! all over again? He wouldn't be our saviour anyway, he's good but let's stop overrating him.
Especially when you don't try to ask him at least.And how do you know that he didn't want to leave?Goal.com source?Ok.I will stop overrating Oscar .I will start gloryfy utmost Hernanes as the best player in the world.That's not bullshit.Yeah it isn't.It's absurd.
 

dolph

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Yes he played in 4-2-3-1 a lot, but also in a 4-4-2ish structure as LM with Volland on the other side.

Would have been a perfect counterpart to Dybala in 4-3-3 and playmaker in 4-3-1-2.

Imagine
Okay. I watched a couple of Liverpool games and so far Coutinho looks like the better. Wonder how mutch he would cost. That would be a perfect TQ.
 

Red

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Firmino looks SS/winger to me, not a trequartista.

Never liked Pastore.

Anderson is also more of a winger and I doubt he'd be worth what Lazio would ask. I still see him as a pretty big risk.

Gaitan would have been interesting.
 

lgorTudor

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Firmino looks SS/winger to me, not a trequartista.
Beppe was chasing a winger for the entire summer (Draxler) And Götze is not a Treq in the Italian sense either. He shined in 4-2-3-1 behind Lewandowski in Dortmund, the same position Firmino has widely been playing. In Germany the 4-3-1-2 is not very popular. Teams prefer stacking pacy AM, steely DM and one CF who is sometimes replaced by one of the AMs. Götze occassionally plays 'CF' in German NT 4-2-3-1

What is more, we were looking for AM in general rather than a fixed diamond formation Trequartista
 

Dino_mk

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Especially when you don't try to ask him at least.And how do you know that he didn't want to leave?Goal.com source?Ok.I will stop overrating Oscar .I will start gloryfy utmost Hernanes as the best player in the world.That's not bullshit.Yeah it isn't.It's absurd.
And how do you know that Marotta didn't ask. R u his secretary?

Marotta himself sad that we contacted some big profile players but they are out of our reach because of high transfer fee, big salary or r happy in their current team.

Do u understand that it's illegal to contact the player who is under a contract without approval of his current team!
 

K.O.

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I've been in these forums for years and the only thing that I still do not understand is the people who support Juve and hate everything about Italian players/Italian football at the same time. It's dumb.
 

Red

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Beppe was chasing a winger for the entire summer (Draxler) And Götze is not a Treq in the Italian sense either. He shined in 4-2-3-1 behind Lewandowski in Dortmund, the same position Firmino has widely been playing. In Germany the 4-3-1-2 is not very popular. Teams prefer stacking pacy AM, steely DM and one CF who is sometimes replaced by one of the AMs. Götze occassionally plays 'CF' in German NT 4-2-3-1

What is more, we were looking for AM in general rather than a fixed diamond formation Trequartista
I think Draxler is as much trequartista as winger and could become a good trequartista.

I agree about Goetze not really being a trequartista - I see him as more of a forward.
 

DUKAC

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And how do you know that Marotta didn't ask. R u his secretary?

Marotta himself sad that we contacted some big profile players but they are out of our reach because of high transfer fee, big salary or r happy in their current team.

Do u understand that it's illegal to contact the player who is under a contract without approval of his current team!
Little bird told me .Yes it's illegal to contact the player without the club's permission.That prove my point that we didn't contact Oscar since we never approach Chelsea for a contact approval. First you say how I know that Marotta didn't contact Oscar and then you contradict yourself by saying that is illegal to contact the player without club permission.How can Marotta contact Oscar without permission is a million dollar question for a wise guy ?
By trying to be agressive without reason you don"t show much of a point here,it's worthless .
I was responding to his statement in which he says that Oscar doesn't wan't to came here.I never said that Oscar want's to come ,he was positive without any ground that Oscar doesn't wan't to came.Neither Oscar nor his agent stated something like that.And we never approach Oscar/agent and Chelsea about transfer.
There were no sources that we contacted him, at least legally sources.
 

baggio

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I agree about Goetze not really being a trequartista - I see him as more of a forward.
Allegri does too by the looks of it, remember him saying in an interview earlier this summer how Goetze is more SS.

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Firmino looks SS/winger to me, not a trequartista.

Never liked Pastore.

Anderson is also more of a winger and I doubt he'd be worth what Lazio would ask. I still see him as a pretty big risk.

Gaitan would have been interesting.
Could see Pastore do well here, only his temperament would need a bit of a working on alongside some consistency. Isnt Gaitan a wider player too, in the Draxler sense? Though he would've been fantastic. Hamsik, Anderson, Pastore, Nasri, Gaitan, Fekir would all be within reach if we plan well next season. Goetze, Mata, Isco, Oscar would have a lot of variables around them. Clubs, formations, manager relationships and high transfer fees that could only be possible with a big sale at our end.
 

Bianconero81

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Hamsik is the same age as Vidal. He would have given us 4-5 solid years of good football. Anything over 30 million for him is perhaps a bit excessive, but he would have been a more interesting option than Hernanes.

Firmino, Coutinho, Teixiera, Gaitan, and Fekir would have all been viable options for TQ. Perhaps Fekir would have a little bit more expensive than the others, but he has a lot of potential.
 

Bianconero81

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Benitez yo. He is going to be very important for Napoli this season. You shall see. Why didn't we go after Thauvin? :boh: 22 year old who can play as an AM or a winger. Newcastle got him for something like 20 million Euros. @Mark
 

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