Juvellino

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I don't agree with Sabatini because he sells too many players every year and they lose a lot of players every year. His mentality at Roma is of a selling club. But if we don't replace Vidal that is a massive failure. A small club move.
 

baggio

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Jun 3, 2003
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I think each have their own place in their style of doing things. We could argue that we've had the rub of the green in Conte's first season here, because a lot of Marrotta's signings were questioned by a lot of people here as well, including Pirlo on a free. It would be unfair to say that Sabatini doesn't have an equally hard job to do in proportion.

Also, Marrotta definitely has a more provincial mentality, while Sabatini tends to be a little more decisive with his dealings. Not saying if that's good or bad, but just an observation about their way of working since they took over their clubs. I admired the work Sabatini did at Palermo, while Beppe's work at Samp comparatively got him hired the season they finished fourth. All this said, it's more apples to oranges comparisons right now because they're working within different set ups, with different budget markers and most importantly, different environments historically. This however, doesn't mean Sabatini wouldn't be able to do an equally good job if he was at Juve because it definitely increases your access in a more powerful way (7th place finishes or not) than it would, serving time at a smaller club.

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I don't agree with Sabatini because he sells too many players every year and they lose a lot of players every year. His mentality at Roma is of a selling club. But if we don't replace Vidal that is a massive failure. A small club move.
Yep. I'm really curious to see how our market window ends, but the longer this drags on, the more worrying it gets.
 

KB824

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Sep 16, 2003
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Sabatini works with what he's got, and that's the 4th biggest club in the country. Pretty different from Juventus, with half the budget. Of course the owner is investing, but still, they traditionally can't keep their best players, gotta find talent, make it a cycle and also get results with it. Pretty much what Dortmund did.

The fact he buys young players after selling others is club's policy, that's what a club like Roma has to do to survive and grow. And they are definitely doing it well. It's like Sabatini and Marotta are in a race, but one drives a Honda and the other a Ferrari.
Ok, so with all those player acquisitions for the last 4 years since he has been there, they have finished no higher than 2nd, have gotten nowhere in regards to trophies, but yet somehow he is supposed to be on par with Marotta, who had to set fire to most of the squad when he first came here and undergo a difficult rebuilding project. All the while being the CEO of Juventus as well as its Sporting Director. And that ownership group for Roma has a good amount of money.

And hoiw exactly is finishing 17 points behind Juve last year a sign of growth, considering that was the best chance in 4 years to actually catch us?
 

PedroFlu

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Sep 20, 2011
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I've never said he's on par with Marotta. What I said is that they do well what they were supposed to do. Actually, both overachieved. It's Roma, man. They've won 3 scudetti in almost 100 yrs.
 

baggio

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Ok, so with all those player acquisitions for the last 4 years since he has been there, they have finished no higher than 2nd, have gotten nowhere in regards to trophies, but yet somehow he is supposed to be on par with Marotta, who had to set fire to most of the squad when he first came here and undergo a difficult rebuilding project. All the while being the CEO of Juventus as well as its Sporting Director. And that ownership group for Roma has a good amount of money.

And hoiw exactly is finishing 17 points behind Juve last year a sign of growth, considering that was the best chance in 4 years to actually catch us?
Honestly we could only compare the two if they had similar projects they were in charge of. Roma and Lazio perhaps. Or a Juve and a full strength Meelan. This comparison right now is not fair to either of the two, but don't think we should take away the fa that Sabatini is building s decent team in Rome. He's not as shrewd as Beppe, but like I said that's also because he's less provincial in his dealings.
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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Sabatini works with what he's got, and that's the 4th biggest club in the country. Pretty different from Juventus, with half the budget. Of course the owner is investing, but still, they traditionally can't keep their best players, gotta find talent, make it a cycle and also get results with it. Pretty much what Dortmund did.

The fact he buys young players after selling others is club's policy, that's what a club like Roma has to do to survive and grow. And they are definitely doing it well. It's like Sabatini and Marotta are in a race, but one drives a Honda and the other a Ferrari.
You arent really up to date about Honda's racing record as an engine manufactor i assume :rofl:


Ferrari is about beeing crap for a very long time, but making fancy cars, and only beeing good for a while, after they spend like 5 times as much as everybody else. Wich translates to Real Madrid

Honda, is by far and away the best racingbike manufactor, had the engine of the most competitive F1 car for a full season (mp4/4), supplies engines for various racing all over the world (CART, etc), has the best engine reliability record in the world (before, toyota), and is simply unbeatable in getting performance from exactly the same engine configuration (#cilinders, cc) compared to other manufactors. Hence, Vtec keeps up with turbo charged cars.


What you wanted to say was, "its like Sabatini and Marotta are in a race, but one drives a McLaren, and the other a citroën.



Roma is barely growing btw. They need to breach FFP for it. We, comming from second division, never needed to do that.

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I don't agree with Sabatini because he sells too many players every year and they lose a lot of players every year. His mentality at Roma is of a selling club. But if we don't replace Vidal that is a massive failure. A small club move.
We sold vidal cause he wanted out, and cause something happened on the way. We buy for the right price, it nearly got us a trebble and we'll keep on this path.
 

KB824

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Sep 16, 2003
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Honestly we could only compare the two if they had similar projects they were in charge of. Roma and Lazio perhaps. Or a Juve and a full strength Meelan. This comparison right now is not fair to either of the two, but don't think we should take away the fa that Sabatini is building s decent team in Rome. He's not as shrewd as Beppe, but like I said that's also because he's less provincial in his dealings.
I guess the only fair way to judge them would be if Sabatini were given a position where his goal was to win Scudetti, have good Champions League runs, and maintain a profit.

Until that position comes open for him, then I guess it is an unfair comparison. That is, assuming that those are NOT his objectives at Roma. But from the way you hear them run their mouths on a frequent basis, you would think that it is. :D
 

PedroFlu

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Sep 20, 2011
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You arent really up to date about Honda's racing record as an engine manufactor i assume :rofl:


Ferrari is about beeing crap for a very long time, but making fancy cars, and only beeing good for a while, after they spend like 5 times as much as everybody else. Wich translates to Real Madrid

Honda, is by far and away the best racingbike manufactor, had the engine of the most competitive F1 car for a full season (mp4/4), supplies engines for various racing all over the world (CART, etc), has the best engine reliability record in the world (before, toyota), and is simply unbeatable in getting performance from exactly the same engine configuration (#cilinders, cc) compared to other manufactors. Hence, Vtec keeps up with turbo charged cars.


What you wanted to say was, "its like Sabatini and Marotta are in a race, but one drives a McLaren, and the other a citroën.



Roma is barely growing btw. They need to breach FFP for it. We, comming from second division, never needed to do that.

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We sold vidal cause he wanted out, and cause something happened on the way. We buy for the right price, it nearly got us a trebble and we'll keep on this path.
Damn, I don't understand shit about cars, tried to pick anything, Honda came to mind.

So let's say Sabatini is driving a Sauber and Marotta a Red Bull or stg like that. You got the idea. :)

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If Roma manages to see Gerson's adequate position (if there is one), he can work out.

Anyway, another bad sign for them: his father is retarded (he publicly complained about Gerson being benched by Ronaldinho lol, when Gerson was playing like shit and is a nobody); they already made a ton of money in the operation, already millionaires; the kid took a picture the other day looking like a complete thug arrogant little prick.

Wouldn't be surprised if he lacks the drive to develop, similar to many Brazilians put in this situation.
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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Damn, I don't understand shit about cars, tried to pick anything, Honda came to mind.

So let's say Sabatini is driving a Sauber and Marotta a Red Bull or stg like that. You got the idea. :)

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If Roma manages to see Gerson's adequate position (if there is one), he can work out.

Anyway, another bad sign for them: his father is retarded (he publicly complained about Gerson being benched by Ronaldinho lol, when Gerson was playing like shit and is a nobody); they already made a ton of money in the operation, already millionaires; the kid took a picture the other day looking like a complete thug arrogant little prick.

Wouldn't be surprised if he lacks the drive to develop, similar to many Brazilians put in this situation.
My second favorite Group C car, was a Sauber C9, wich is arguably the best car from the group C era :D

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or you can also pay 18m and get Mandzukic
Who is better then Dzeko
 

Fr3sh

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Jul 12, 2011
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When a club wants to be dealt with dignity and treated as a big club, it does not sign players on a buyback clause. It is a matter of principle. I will drop this, and I wont talk about it anymore, but in 2-3 season, I am going to mention and once we cant retain Morata nor Pogba, I will ask you about how big this club is.
 

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