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[AndreaCristiano]

ANyways, leader or not.. tevez carried us in a lot of games and was a tireless plaayer everygame. Thats as close as a leader as you can get

he also took some massive dumps in really important games and other players like Morata, llorente, etc had to bail us out but lets keep forgetting those games and act like Tevez was a Juventus Legend in two seasons

 

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[Post Ironic]

If you're trying to suggest he's world class,no, Mandzukic isnt.

Very good stopgap solution though.

There is a massive difference between a "top player" and "world class"... World class is the top 3-5 players in any given position dependent on relative strength of that position in the era they play. A top player is top 10-20 player in any position and Mandzukic certainly fits that category.

And the bonehead suggesting he's not a top player cause Bayern scored a lot. Well I suppose we should discredit every top player who plays for a good team then

It's more of a credit to him that he was earning a starting XI spot and playing 43 and 48 games in his two years in that crazy good Bayern.

Anyone suggesting he isn't a top player is crazy. Every bit of evidence points otherwise. He's not a top 3-5 CF in the world, but he's well within the next 10 or so top CFs.

 

[Bjerknes]

Suarez, Neymar, Zlatan, Aguero, Cavani, Falcao, Lewandowski, Diego Costa, Tevez, Benzema, Reus, Muller, Higuain, Van Persie, et cetera. Definitely not top 10 or 15.

 

[Lion]

none of messi, C.Ronaldo, Suarez, Neymar, Benzema, or Aguero are "leaders:

pretty sure you would all kill yourself to have them as the player in your attack

you dont need a leader. you need a difference maker. they dont often go hand in hand.

 

[Zacheryah]

Suarez, Neymar, Zlatan, Aguero, Cavani, Falcao, Lewandowski, Diego Costa, Tevez, Benzema, Reus, Muller, Higuain, Van Persie, et cetera. Definitely not top 10 or 15.

He said CF
Most of your list is winger or SS

And i'd take them over whats left of Van Persie, Falcao and Higuain.

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none of messi, C.Ronaldo, Suarez, Neymar, Benzema, or Aguero are "leaders:

pretty sure you would all kill yourself to have them as the player in your attack

you dont need a leader. you need a difference maker. they dont often go hand in hand.

In the attack, they dont.
In the midfield, they do

Neymar, arguably, carried the brazillian team trough the world cup tho

 

[Post Ironic]

Suarez, Neymar, Zlatan, Aguero, Cavani, Falcao, Lewandowski, Diego Costa, Tevez, Benzema, Reus, Muller, Higuain, Van Persie, et cetera. Definitely not top 10 or 15.

You're kidding right? You list 14 players. Reus isn't a CF, never has been, never will be. Scores nowhere near the number of goals Mandzukic does. So 13 now. Van Persie is half the player Mandzukic is now. 3 years ago that's different but he scored 10 goals last year. So 12 now. Falcao was better 3 years ago too, but has scored 17 goals combined in his last two years. So 11 better now. Higuain has scored 71 goals in 146 matches which is worse than 68 in 131 by Mandzukic as far as goals to appearances. But I'd say the two are of similar quality, just outside the top 10 CFs in the game. In this spots 10-15

Easily top players. Just not world class. You really have no leg to stand on in this argument.

Aside from this, you do this every transfer window. You shit on the players we buy and freak out about those we sell and not getting enough for them and every year you are proven wrong and it's laughable. Just look at the nonsense you wrote about selling Immobile last summer and how it was a terrible mistake and we would regret it

You either need anti-depressants, or you're a giant troll.

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Please name the CFs in a top 4 league that have scored more than the 68 goals of Mandzukic over the last 4 years. The list isn't very long.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Cavani, Lewandowski, Benteke, Mandzukic, Toni, Dzeko, Falcao, Costa are best big inside the box poachers in the game atm

 

[JuveID]

falcao just score 17 in 2 years?
it's even below zaza

but zaza is mediocer while falcao is WC

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

falcao just score 17 in 2 years?
it's even below zaza

but zaa is mediocer while falcao is WC

OFC i meant when they are in form, dzeko sucked last season too, but season before he was the reason why Man City won the title, he scored the most vital goals in the of 13/14 campgain

 

[JuveID]

OFC i meant when they are in form, dzeko sucked last season too, but season before he was the reason why Man City won the title, he scored the most vital goals in the of 13/14 campgain

i do not dicredit falcao.
i just do not understand some people underestimate zaza that badly.

 

[Zacheryah]

Cavani, Lewandowski, Benteke, Mandzukic, Toni, Dzeko, Falcao, Costa are best big inside the box poachers in the game atm

Benteke, only in the EPL, where they cant organise a defence if their live would depend on it.
Falcao, has been shit for two years now
Dzeko has a VERY bad season

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OFC i meant when they are in form, dzeko sucked last season too, but season before he was the reason why Man City won the title, he scored the most vital goals in the of 13/14 campgain

6 goals in over 31 games. sucked is a huge understatement

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Benteke, only in the EPL, where they cant organise a defence if their live would depend on it.
Falcao, has been shit for two years now
Dzeko has a VERY bad season

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6 goals in over 31 games. sucked is a huge understatement

and here is zaza with 10 goals in 34 games, a huge achievement

 

[Zacheryah]

I'm not a fan of Zaza, but we need some depth in the striker department. Preferably an italian player that knows he's a bit shit, but works very hard, has very low wages, and doesnt complain when he's playing a handfull of games outside the Coppa italia.

We have loaned Anelka, bendtner, matri, to fill that gab.

Zaza is 24 and was a bargaining chip to Berardi. He'll fit that 5th striker role for the foreseeable future.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

I'm not a fan of Zaza, but we need some depth in the striker department. Preferably an italian player that knows he's a bit shit, but works very hard, has very low wages, and doesnt complain when he's playing a handfull of games outside the Coppa italia.

We have loaned Anelka, bendtner, matri, to fill that gab.

Zaza is 24 and was a bargaining chip to Berardi. He'll fit that 5th striker role for the foreseeable future.

ye, pay 19 millions to ruin the youngster on the bench instead of giving him a chance to develop into better player with much bigger amount of gametime

 

[Zacheryah]

He is 24

 

[Post Ironic]

As a testament to how good a signing Mandzukic is for 18 mil, is that he is one of the most consistent forwards in Europe over the last 3 years.

The list of forwards with 20+ goals in each of the last 3 years in a top 4 league + PSG

Messi
Ronaldo
Zlatan
Suarez
Benzema
Costa
Lewandowski
Muller
Cavani
Mandzukic

Not a top player though. Seriously. Look at the names on that list. I guess Mandzukic is crap and doesn't belong

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

He is 24

So? we could sign someone like Borriello instead to use him as 5th choice - cheap loan + low wages

 

[Zacheryah]

Nah, better to have one of your own, that fits in perfectly and is accustomed to the players and tactics.


Like Padoin.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Nah, better to have one of your own, that fits in perfectly and is accustomed to the players and tactics.


Like Padoin.

you turn 24 years old Zaza into Borriello if you use him as 5th choice and bench him for 90% of the matches or let him play 10 minutes or so

 

[Zacheryah]

Doesnt seemed to effect Padoin