Scuba51

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Thursday 2 September, 2010
Blog: Marotta must be judged fairly
Beppe Marotta hardly set the transfer market alight, but Antonio Labbate calls for understanding when judging the Juventus official
Pick up today’s La Gazzetta dello Sport and Juventus reject Diego will tell you that Beppe Marotta has been unsuccessful in his attempts to rebuild the Old Lady of Italian football. “Marotta decided to sell me because he just wants Italians and that is the wrong road to go down,” he warned. “Juventus have made a mistake with their signings, a lot of good players have arrived but no champions.”

Frustration, bitterness, disappointment, no matter what fuelled the Brazilian’s outburst, there does seem to be a consensus amongst a large part of the Italian footballing media that Marotta has somehow failed. But what exactly has he failed to do? That depends on what was asked of him.

“We needed to achieve three things,” Marotta reveals in an interview with today’s Tuttosport. “Reduce the age of the squad, but with players who have experience at high levels, renew the atmosphere around the club and lower the wage bill.”

While the identity of the players he has signed were never going to win widespread approval, the former Sampdoria official seems to have achieved what he set out to. The average age of those sold was 29.25, whereas the average age of his signings was 25.6.

With 11 new players brought in and 12 gone, many of whom were survivors from the Calciopoli days, there is new air being breathed around Vinovo. And when it comes to salaries, Juve have managed to shift €52m worth of wages for 2010-11, with the new arrivals only set to cost them €29m over the next 12 months.

The reality is that Marotta was not charged with building a title contender because he didn’t have the funds to do so. His acquisition methods over the last few months confirm as much. While true that €56m was spent, it is significant that €40m was recouped, while Alberto Aquilani, Marco Motta, Simone Pepe, Fabio Quagliarella and Leandro Rinaudo were netted on loan with 2011 buy-out clauses that almost total an additional €43m.

With no Champions League funds to spend and no Champions League action to attract the so-called stars who critics are bemoaning the lack of, Marotta’s hands were tied. All he could do was build the foundations of a team for a bright future from a squad that only had a glorious past.

While it’s legitimate to question some of Marotta’s dealings, such as the €12m swoop for Jorge Martinez, the sacrifice of Diego, the late sale of David Trezeguet and the decision to solve the left-back problem with Armand Traore, it would be somewhat harsh and inappropriate to condemn him at this time. After all, he hasn’t just spent €24m on Felipe Melo.

Unfortunately for Marotta, the events of the last seven days have muddied his work. The rejections of Antonio Di Natale, Nicolas Burdisso and Marco Borrielllo, combined with the 1-0 loss at Bari and Milan’s late market swoops, have forced pundits to reassess Juventus’ transfer strategy.

Only the season ahead can accurately judge the work of Marotta though, a man who needs more than 60 days to reconstruct a giant of the European game. A top four finish will be the aim this season and then Marotta may well just be in a position to show us what he is really capable of on the transfer market.
Kinda of shows the point I was trying to make.
 

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HAZEM

L'architetto
Apr 22, 2008
8,219
i don't understand this pessimistic.. i swear to god that we will finish in top 4 this season and u can mark my words as u like.. our team not the best in the league but they are hungry and sometimes hunger makes u eat anything. be patient guys!!

FORZAAAAAAAA JUVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
115,986
People in General are upset about selling Diego, I am not since he lacks direction in his game and precision. I just think we sold him for cheap and could have possibly made 3-4 millions more and that's what I care about, that we got hosed by Wolfsburg. Marotta was good enough in General except for the price of Diego, Buying Martinez, and loaning Gio
I'm very glad you rate the players we brought in. Considering that most seem to be happy with them, the majority rules.

I'd rather not start listening to football players when it comes to judging situations, they aren't the brightest bunch.
Well, they were involved in the process. They must know something about what happened.

But as I said before, I don't expect many here to care what is said by former players. I'd bet that if Trezeguet happened to say something negative towards Marotta, fans here would probably try to discredit David. That's just the way it is with fans of large clubs.

I guess some aren't bad as certain Milan fans booing Maldini, though.
 

Delle Alpi

Chemical Dean
May 26, 2009
8,679
I'm very glad you rate the players we brought in. Considering that most seem to be happy with them, the majority rules.
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This Marotta project is going to surprise plenty. I would give the guy the benefit of the doubt and let him do his thing. We all saw what Secco and co caused us. Some of the deals Marotta made showed his inexperience as a director manager for a big club like Juve, but those things could be corrected and learned for next mercatos. He filled the team with good players, and few of them I don't rate very high. As I said, I am not happy about selling Diego for so cheap then overreacting and over spending on good enough player like Quag, but Marrotta is definitely learning the hard way and such deals hopefully won't happen again. This team is better defensively thanany of the teams from 2006 until 2009. Also the midfield looks so solid with the addition of players that can distribute the ball very well and long range shot like Aquilani and Krasic. The only suspicious thing about the roster is the supporting striker position, since I believe Del piero is just too old to be a starter, goal machine main striker because neither Amauri nor Yaqwinta are capable of being a ~20 goal scorer, and finally the LB position. Other than that, the team looks solid but not amazing, and we are only few world class players away from being real contender in Serie A
 

.zero

★ ★ ★
Aug 8, 2006
82,814
i don't understand this pessimistic.. i swear to god that we will finish in top 4 this season and u can mark my words as u like.. our team not the best in the league but they are hungry and sometimes hunger makes u eat anything. be patient guys!!

FORZAAAAAAAA JUVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I don't think so man

Last season we spent alot of money and brought in players who did not end up panning out. We had a rookie head coach and we came off a great prior season.

This year we are coming off one of the worst seasons in club history, a terrible mercato, an even dumber head coach, and I know toilets that make better decisions than our new general manager.
 

Delle Alpi

Chemical Dean
May 26, 2009
8,679
Have some faith there buddy, this team is obviosly capable of achieving the goals for this season, and then we should be able to see the bigger picture of Marotta's project
 

.zero

★ ★ ★
Aug 8, 2006
82,814
For a team that is trying to rebuild since 2007, they have not been on the right path. Its been pointed out before by many other members here.
 

Max

Senior Member
Jul 15, 2003
4,828
For a team that is trying to rebuild since 2007, they have not been on the right path. Its been pointed out before by many other members here.
Wow, I was grossly misinformed. I thought chasing a pipe-dream for nearly an entire transfer period and then buying cup-tied players in a panic would surely pave the road to a better future.
 

Vinman

2013 Prediction Cup Champ
Jul 16, 2002
11,482
This Marotta project is going to surprise plenty. I would give the guy the benefit of the doubt and let him do his thing. We all saw what Secco and co caused us. Some of the deals Marotta made showed his inexperience as a director manager for a big club like Juve, but those things could be corrected and learned for next mercatos. He filled the team with good players, and few of them I don't rate very high. As I said, I am not happy about selling Diego for so cheap then overreacting and over spending on good enough player like Quag, but Marrotta is definitely learning the hard way and such deals hopefully won't happen again. This team is better defensively thanany of the teams from 2006 until 2009. Also the midfield looks so solid with the addition of players that can distribute the ball very well and long range shot like Aquilani and Krasic. The only suspicious thing about the roster is the supporting striker position, since I believe Del piero is just too old to be a starter, goal machine main striker because neither Amauri nor Yaqwinta are capable of being a ~20 goal scorer, and finally the LB position. Other than that, the team looks solid but not amazing, and we are only few world class players away from being real contender in Serie A
Have some faith there buddy, this team is obviosly capable of achieving the goals for this season, and then we should be able to see the bigger picture of Marotta's project
be warned, the people around you are planning an intervention to get you to stop sniffing glue

Wow, I was grossly misinformed. I thought chasing a pipe-dream for nearly an entire transfer period and then buying cup-tied players in a panic would surely pave the road to a better future.
good one, Max !! :lol: :beer:
 

Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
11,612
A lot here seem to forget that hiring Del Neri cost us a lot of cash, given that he can only play using a 4-4-2. If we had hired Benitez or any other world-class coach that could have worked with what we had in addition to the fifty something million of transfer budget we could have had a much better looking squad than the current.

Switching to 4-4-2 meant that we need a good second striker and wingers in addition to the holes that already needed to be filled under the 4-2-3-1. The real holes we had were 1 in CB, 2 Full backs and a CF not an SS.

We could have kept Diego, used Giovinco, sold Amauri (If someone is getting payed more than he deserves its him), saved money splashed on Martinez, Quag and Aquilani (Wages for those on loan and transfer costs of Martinez), gotten a real striker that can play upfront on his own and VDV as a midfield boost.

Deals for Defense would have probably been the same.
Deals for midfield would have been partially the same as we would have still needed Krasic and Peppe.. only we would have saved money and added Quality in buying VDV in place of Martinez.
Deals upfront would have been different, as we would have bought a CF not a SS and would have made money out of selling Amauri (10-12 mill?)

The Same people would have been released and our squad would have no holes remaining.. at least the first team wouldn't.

I predict that this year we will continue to have problems in CF, Left Wing, Full back. In addition to, an unbelievable lack of creativity that is as bad as if not worse than last term.

New management should not have started again from scratch, they should have continued building what the others started but without repeating the same mistakes.

The mistakes were the melo-sissoko partnership, The shitty one man aging defense, Marchisio as the first team left winger and the injury proneness of Camo the right winger (which somehow did not even suggest to them to try Gio and push Marchisio closer to his real position), and Amauri as first choice striker. Last but not least, we had the worst coaches a team can ever get.

I expected a coach that is better than Ranieri, which DN is not.
Marchisio, Aq/Vdv, Melo, Sissoko as DMs/CMs without ever having the latter two on the pitch at the same time ever.
Krasic in place of camo with Pepe as sub playing on the side he prefers.
Gio in place of Marchisio with the latter being last resort winger in case, Peppe, Lanzafame were unavailable.
Diego in the middle. Dp and Gio as replacement in case of injury or fatigue.
Anyone other than Amauri (even Huntelaar) as first choice, IQ as sub and Lanzafame is worst case scenario.

We would also have a flexible squad that can adjust to 4-4-2 if shit hits the fan and our creative players die like last season or if things just didnt work out and we needed to experiment different things... we would have had more than one type of attacking midfielders: classic wingers, trequaristas, central players and wide.

Sadly, whats done is done and we now will definitely be screwed if the 4-4-2 fails to create. We will still have to improve in the left winger position, and upfront even though we did buy players in those positions.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
115,986
This team is better defensively thanany of the teams from 2006 until 2009.
Completely unknown. Motta isn't that good defensively and the DC/Grosso/Traore LB contingent doesn't seem to be any better than having Molinaro out there. Bonucci might turn out to be good, thus far he has, but Cannavaro was supposed to be some improvement over the previous year, too.

Have some faith there buddy, this team is obviosly capable of achieving the goals for this season, and then we should be able to see the bigger picture of Marotta's project
That's just silly. Having faith in something that isn't proven makes no sense. I know Juventus is considered a religion, but lets not worship Marotta as some fucking God. This is pitiful stuff here.
 

- vOnAm -

Senior Member
Jul 22, 2004
3,779
UEFA President Michel Platini: New Regulations Will Bring End To Transfer Market Anarchy
Governing body's move to halt excessive spending...
By Matt Monaghan
Aug 30, 2010 6:38:00 PM

UEFA president Michel Platini has declared the new regulations to halt excessive spending will bring an end to the transfer market "anarchy".

The organisation are set to gradually implement new financial fair play rules from next season in attempt to keep a lid on club debt and create a level playing field.

These measures could put a halt to the influence of billionaire benefactors such as Roman Abramovich and Sheikh Mansour on the sport, and the ex-Juventus and France superstar backs the governing body's action.

He said: "For years and years we were in total anarchy but the clubs asked for the rules because they knew they could not continue.

"We can see already that the clubs are spending less as they look to balance their books.

"This is because the first time the break-even rule will kick in is in the coming year, the 2011-2012 season.

"It's very soon and this means that the strategy to say 'I can now go and spend hundreds of millions' doesn't work because we will see it in two years at the latest.

"Transfers have not been as crazy as in the last few years, they are pulling up their socks and the clubs are making special efforts to comply with the rules."

The legislation will allow owners to inject €15 million (£12.3m) a year into their clubs up until 2015, and then €10m (£8.2m) until 2018. This cash cannot be a loan, which is an approach already taken by the Manchester City and Chelsea hierarchy.


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Thursday 2 September, 2010
Blog: Marotta must be judged fairly
Beppe Marotta hardly set the transfer market alight, but Antonio Labbate calls for understanding when judging the Juventus official

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“We needed to achieve three things,” Marotta reveals in an interview with today’s Tuttosport. “Reduce the age of the squad, but with players who have experience at high levels, renew the atmosphere around the club and lower the wage bill.”

While the identity of the players he has signed were never going to win widespread approval, the former Sampdoria official seems to have achieved what he set out to. The average age of those sold was 29.25, whereas the average age of his signings was 25.6.

With 11 new players brought in and 12 gone, many of whom were survivors from the Calciopoli days, there is new air being breathed around Vinovo. And when it comes to salaries, Juve have managed to shift €52m worth of wages for 2010-11, with the new arrivals only set to cost them €29m over the next 12 months.

The reality is that Marotta was not charged with building a title contender because he didn’t have the funds to do so. His acquisition methods over the last few months confirm as much. While true that €56m was spent, it is significant that €40m was recouped, while Alberto Aquilani, Marco Motta, Simone Pepe, Fabio Quagliarella and Leandro Rinaudo were netted on loan with 2011 buy-out clauses that almost total an additional €43m.

With no Champions League funds to spend and no Champions League action to attract the so-called stars who critics are bemoaning the lack of, Marotta’s hands were tied. All he could do was build the foundations of a team for a bright future from a squad that only had a glorious past.

While it’s legitimate to question some of Marotta’s dealings, such as the €12m swoop for Jorge Martinez, the sacrifice of Diego, the late sale of David Trezeguet and the decision to solve the left-back problem with Armand Traore, it would be somewhat harsh and inappropriate to condemn him at this time. After all, he hasn’t just spent €24m on Felipe Melo.
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Now if u look at both those two articles, I think we can appreciate Marotta's work in building a "new" foundation.

There are two ways of looking at this, one is clubs dish out money now, before the new rule is in effect. Hence milan buying stars, Man City etc.

Or, build a good wage structure now, so that more money can be spent in a transfer market where clubs can't spend unlimited funds. Which means prices for the star players will go down.

Dzeko for 40mil? In the future transfer market where owner's capital injection is limited it wud get lower. Imagine Milan, with the big star wages and Man City. If they don't collect enough revenues they may not make enough margin and thus may have little to spend in the market.

So if this rule does come into effect, Marotta may have just given us a good base to be competitive in future transfer market.
 

da_ledgeaun

The Juve Freak
Jun 2, 2007
6,611
To HIST,the founder of HISM..I believe what you have written there is top class..we could have definitely saved money,while still getting better players,and selling those who are supposed to leave..
 

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