Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,723
Personally, when Conte left and I thought Allegri will destroy all the good work Conte. I thought he'd do what Benitez did to Mourinho's Inter and that the fans and media will pile massive pressure on him and that this will tear the team apart. Allegri ofcoarse proved to be a master at handling the pressure, he kept the status quo for sometime before introducing tweaks that worked to great effect and got the team to gradually improve as the season went along. We were lucky in the CL draw as we didnt face a big team early on but rather had a gradually increasing difficulty that was in parallel to the gradual improvement of our performances. I honestly thought that no coach even Mourinho can get this squad to compete like that Europe and certainly not Allegri until 3-4 years have passed to give us the proper finances.

Our team's main playmaker was also getting injured, our best player was being hunted by United and Madrid, Pogba was getting hunted too and our best CB and our legendary GK were getting very old. I thought that this squad wont get to do anything in europe and that a transition to a new younger squad has to happen and that the new young squad coupled with the additions that we'd be able to make once we are richer are the ones that will get the club back to competing in Europe.

Allegri brilliantly managed the squad and got them to improve a lot and so in my books we have arrived in Europe 3-4 years early. It also helps that most of our European competitors have imploded or under performed. United should be like Madrid, Bayern and Barca but imploded. Chelsea have under-performed in Europe. City havent managed to fix their mental issues despite a massive squad. Dortmund have imploded. Only PSG and ATM did a good job in Europe.

Marotta and Agnelli have achieved massive success against all odds twice. First with the Conte era getting Juve back on top of Serie A 3 years earlier than even optimists expected. And second with the Allegri Era getting Juve back amongst the European giants again 3 years earlier than what anyone can reasonable expect. Massive success. If you want to appreciate how hard it is to achieve this look back at our Ferrara and DN days or even better look at Liverpool, Arsenal, Current United, City, Roma and Inter who can't seem to get their teams to properly function either in Serie A or in Europe or in both despite most of them spending massive money every year and maintaining a massive wage bill . What we achieved is the stuff of dreams
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Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,248
@Hist time for a lesson:

It is a disgrace to Conte's work to say that we have won that much because of MArotta, when under MArotta's firm hand, but with different coaches we have ranked 7th two seasons in a row. All football supporters in serie A, praise and respect Conte for what he did with us, it is a shame that some Juve fans give that credit to Marotta instead...

and so they did, for ex, when Balotelli was available, we cant know if Marotta tried for that too and lost him to competition.
for us that acquisition would be far more important than any CM and Marotta would earn eternal praise.

Opportunity targets are fine, but they should be considered depending on our needs.
Some times Marotta gets carried away and spends our limited funds on opportunity targets and then he cannot meet the requirements for our primary targets, either because there is no time or budget left.

This should be criticised, not praised. Those opportunity targets, that come in the expense of our primary targets, some times they make hurt our cause, more than helping it.
For ex, for 10 consecutive years, we have been spending most of our budget on new SSs and CMs, but our needs lie elsewhere, particularly in the finisher position, for the past 3 -4 years.
When Marotta brings a new decent SS or CM, either because he happened to be available on the cheap, or just as a consolation prize, we should not overlook the damage amde, for not acquiring what we really needed and only praise him for the acquisition. Everyone can spend money and everyone can use Juventus's name to attrack some interest from players like Krasic, Vidal and Pogba.

But is this what we really need right now, just some random opportunity targets?

With Conte, we have reached in a position that we can compete for me, we need to go to the next level and there is obviously smth that is holding us back and we cannot make those steps to reach the most competitive clubs. We should stop being pleased with mediocrity and focus on what is really needed.
We should stop making excuses to our selves. Last summer we were in a position to burst into a top dog, we only needed a couple of starters to deal with our greatest weakness.
Marotta has failed to improve them, we were all frustrated because of the lost opportunity, by the end of the summer and after a year we are yet again repeating the same things and forgetting what happened just in the previous trnasfer windows.

Overjoyed by a league title, that would have come anyway, without the acquisitions we made this season, just like it did last year, we are forgetting that last year was Marotta's chance and he has failed us!
He has already proven his incompetence to give us what we want and here we are again, praising him for Conte's deeds and hoping for the new Dzekos and RVPs...

Marotta never ever managed in his carrier to land a guy like them, or Cavani or Higuain, such high profile targets attract interest and competition that goes beyond his league.
Simple as that, no hurt feelings, but we need to move forward.

We are Juve fans, we need the best for our team, if Marotta would be able to give us, i dont see why any of us, would want him out.
The criticism on him, has some certain motives and for Juve fans, it obviously is to see Juve thrive, to see Juve go past any obstacles that hold her back, either be internal or external, either be malefic or moronic.


PS: i understand and in a degree share the fear, that we could do worse though, by bringing a new Secco like water boy.
Of course we can do better and our board has a tendency to do that. But is we dont dare, we will never improve.
We are now in a better negotiating position and have more ppl relevant to football to advice us, we can appeal to manangers we never could before,
it is a moment we would opt for an upgrade.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,248
So the main parts that the Marotta apologist focus upon are:
-We dont have money, its not Marotta's fault, but how come poorer serie A team can find the players we seek and we cant?
-Noone would give the money we have spent on our players, then why are we keep spending such sums to trash players?


There are some hard facts out there, we have been seeking for a Juve material LB/LWB and a finisher at least since 2006, ever since Marotta arrived we were suppossed to focus on quality, rather than quantity.
We are still overspending for squad players that are destined to fail and then we are forced to gift them away.
We are still gathering players for the same spots (CM and SS, which have become our best cover positions, consisting of nearly 1/3 of our roster) and we have yet to replace Trezequet and Zambrotta.
We are still unable to make that leap in quality and instead of saving the cash to buy a better player next year, we spread it around and sometimes even more in 2-3 squad players.
We are repeating the very same mistakes again and again and always there are going to be some apologists will invent new excuses or just repeat the same.

Every year we hope that this year will be an exception, but every august we are regretting for the same mistakes.
Our midfield is well stacked up, our forward line is full of supporting strikers that cannot score more than 15 goals/season.
We do not have a dedicated LB/LWB who can defend like Licht, we do not have one dedicated CB, who can rotate with our starter 3 and we have plenty of competition in the center of our midfield.

Lets see if Marotta will be able to land this time a non free CB, a LB who is able to defend properly and a CF who is scoring with consistency 20/goals/season.
We have all the depth we need, our current squad can win the championship anyway, we can recall many of our youngsters anytime if we need the extra depth.
We only 2-3 starters and we need to sell 2-3 players, thats it, no excuses, no insane demands. Our needs have been the same for the past 3 years, we have now the CL and title appeal, the depth, everything, all we need is those 2-3 players to upgrade our team.
Will they come, or we will start wasting our cash on new Pelusos, Diamantis, etc, sign a free bonera and one of the billion good CM/SS that appear in a good price and call it a day?

In the end of the day it is up to MArotta to prove us right or wrong, the pathetic part is, that no matter how hard he fails, there is always going to be someone who will defend, either because of misplaced loyalty, sheer stupidity or just because he seeks a way to troll us...
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Better bench means we can "conserve energy" during Serie A games and have a rested starting XI for CL.

I'm half-joking but it's true.
Prophet. :D

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Well there you go, folks. Now the excuse is that we have a new coach, so we can't buy anyone really good. It is amazing how stupid and low this forum goes to defend the establishment management. It is worse than Redcafe without a doubt, and I hate Manure fans.
You were saying? :rofl:

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It was not Conte's fault that Marotta was failing each and every year to bring an LB, so he could never field a four man defence, without a freakin left flank...
It was not Conte's fault that Marotta was waiting Llorente's contract to expire for 3 years and up untill then, the team had not the tactical option of a CF and had to use either one of the growing collection of the multiple SSs we had, or crippled players like Borriello, Anelka and Bendtner...

Conte is a daredevil, he will not hesitate to call it as he sees it.
Between us and the greatest European clubs that we face in the CL, there is a huge different of quality. The difference is there, and is huge enough to become noticable regardless of what our coach says.
At his time, as a player, there was a difference, but not thaaaat big, to narrow the gap, we should improve the quality of our starter eleven,
we could not do that within a year, because we are not as wealthy as Man City, or PSG, they were bellow us and they are now suddenly above us.
So our only chance was to build slowly, but surely, making a couple of additions per year. Narrow the quality gap and improve our chances.
Our squad, under Conte, was strong enough to win the league with ease, at record breaking manner.
Conte has been asking for 2 years that the budget should not be wasted around, any longer, in squad players, a couple of 5mil minions, like Peluso and Padoin,the occassional free agent, with youngsters fillers are enough for depth and we should use our budget on one or two starters.
Buying 3 15mil player, instead of one 35mil one would lead us to nowhere near closer to the most competitive CL clubs.
Wes hould stop wasting time and give the club a chance to compete in the CL!

Marotta cannot sign prestigious players though, never did in his life, never will.
So Conte tried to corner the club's board,the ones who hired MArotta and refuse to hire a more suited successor,
by making those demands public, so that the board would comply by sanctioning 30mil acquisitions and hire a proper transfer director, who could approach the most prestigious players and agents.
He believed that the board would be pressured by the crowd to choose his path, because he was prooved to be the most valuable asset we had since calciopoli, the man who singlehandely has transformed our team, from a #7 place mediocrity, to unchallenged champions. Apart from that, Conte is one of us, he is a part of our most glorious history and he has made many personal sacrifices, right after he ebcame the most succesfull coach in the peninsula and the alliance of our enemies have fabricated means to ut him on trial.

It was still a considerable risk, as history has proven before, that the board never intended to make Juventus as big as it was before Calciopoli, the selection of the stadium capacity, the selection of unproven transfer directors and coaches speak by themselves. And clear example of them all, DD, yet another club legend, who has guided our club from serie B, back to serie A, he was axed for this very reason, he priorised quality over quantity, performance over nationalism and spectacle and he had to bite the bullet.

Conte's sacrifice must not go in vain, we must not pretend this was yet another coincidence and lie to our selves anymore, the board does not wants us to become the powerhouse we once been and they have imposed MArotta as handicap, exactly for that. MArotta is just a tool, he is honest and limited, he can only go that far, the choice to keep him, means a lot!
We should either accept it and stop having delusional CL aspirations, (the reason Conte has been constantly bitching about the lack of quality that have no intention to improve)
or fight with Conte, DD and any other Juventino who will stand up against the tyranny of the board!
CL FInal.

Yes! Stand up the tyranny of the board that got us there!!!!! :lol:
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,248
Prophet. :D

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You were saying? :rofl:

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CL FInal.

Yes! Stand up the tyranny of the board that got us there!!!!! :lol:
Our bench recently fucked up Inter and Napoli, both fighting for europe


Yeah, depth and stuff
It is stupid to have blind faith on anything!

Hope for the best and prepare for the worst!

Objectively MArotta did a LOT of mistakes in the previous years!
Criminal mistakes some of them, he has repeated the same mistakes again and again and showed no signs of improving.

This was a fact and nothing cant change that!
So chances are that he would repeat in the future with the same policy.
Thankfully miracles do happen, but only a fool relies on them!
When somebody is repeadely proved incompetent, or it is only natural that he will be criticised.
And it was a huge mistake to give him credit for other ppl's successes.

Marotta has done an outstanding job this mercato, so far!!
He now WORTHS all the praise he gets, becuase it was his job, his decision, his playground, it has nothing to do with players perfromance and tactics.
Just MArotta doing his job and providing us with the players we need!!
There is nothing more, or nothing less one can ask of him.

It is up to him and him alone to proove if he is up to the task or not.

Ever since he joined us, we had certain needs that were never met, certain players never arrived and we were pretty terrible at selling and loaning players.
The best thing Marotta has to show was opportunity targets, anyone in his shoes could have got.
He had zero credentials and zero results where it mattered the most.
It was only natural to criticise him for that. Better being wise, be carefull, instead of betting everything on a fool's hope...
most of the times, such bets dont pay off and there should only be taken at desperate times, when there are no other options, not when we can have even better odds on our favor.

Now, after seeing that he can do well, even just once, he will be given the benefit of doubt!
But again, it is entirely up to him.

The less one rates him, the more he is impressed by good deeds!
Marotta at this moment is the main protagonist of our team! And this moment is where the transfer director's job is rated!
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
It is stupid to have blind faith on anything!

Hope for the best and prepare for the worst!

Objectively MArotta did a LOT of mistakes in the previous years!
Criminal mistakes some of them, he has repeated the same mistakes again and again and showed no signs of improving.

This was a fact and nothing cant change that!
So chances are that he would repeat in the future with the same policy.
Thankfully miracles do happen, but only a fool relies on them!
When somebody is repeadely proved incompetent, or it is only natural that he will be criticised.
And it was a huge mistake to give him credit for other ppl's successes.

Marotta has done an outstanding job this mercato, so far!!
He now WORTHS all the praise he gets, becuase it was his job, his decision, his playground, it has nothing to do with players perfromance and tactics.
Just MArotta doing his job and providing us with the players we need!!
There is nothing more, or nothing less one can ask of him.

It is up to him and him alone to proove if he is up to the task or not.

Ever since he joined us, we had certain needs that were never met, certain players never arrived and we were pretty terrible at selling and loaning players.
The best thing Marotta has to show was opportunity targets, anyone in his shoes could have got.
He had zero credentials and zero results where it mattered the most.
It was only natural to criticise him for that. Better being wise, be carefull, instead of betting everything on a fool's hope...
most of the times, such bets dont pay off and there should only be taken at desperate times, when there are no other options, not when we can have even better odds on our favor.

Now, after seeing that he can do well, even just once, he will be given the benefit of doubt!
But again, it is entirely up to him.

The less one rates him, the more he is impressed by good deeds!
Marotta at this moment is the main protagonist of our team! And this moment is where the transfer director's job is rated!
 

CrimsonianKing

Count Mbangula
Jan 16, 2013
27,389
It is stupid to have blind faith on anything!

Hope for the best and prepare for the worst!

Objectively MArotta did a LOT of mistakes in the previous years!
Criminal mistakes some of them, he has repeated the same mistakes again and again and showed no signs of improving.

This was a fact and nothing cant change that!
So chances are that he would repeat in the future with the same policy.
Thankfully miracles do happen, but only a fool relies on them!
When somebody is repeadely proved incompetent, or it is only natural that he will be criticised.
And it was a huge mistake to give him credit for other ppl's successes.

Marotta has done an outstanding job this mercato, so far!!
He now WORTHS all the praise he gets, becuase it was his job, his decision, his playground, it has nothing to do with players perfromance and tactics.
Just MArotta doing his job and providing us with the players we need!!
There is nothing more, or nothing less one can ask of him.

It is up to him and him alone to proove if he is up to the task or not.

Ever since he joined us, we had certain needs that were never met, certain players never arrived and we were pretty terrible at selling and loaning players.
The best thing Marotta has to show was opportunity targets, anyone in his shoes could have got.
He had zero credentials and zero results where it mattered the most.
It was only natural to criticise him for that. Better being wise, be carefull, instead of betting everything on a fool's hope...
most of the times, such bets dont pay off and there should only be taken at desperate times, when there are no other options, not when we can have even better odds on our favor.

Now, after seeing that he can do well, even just once, he will be given the benefit of doubt!
But again, it is entirely up to him.

The less one rates him, the more he is impressed by good deeds!
Marotta at this moment is the main protagonist of our team! And this moment is where the transfer director's job is rated!
 

zizinho

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2013
51,816
@Hist time for a lesson:

It is a disgrace to Conte's work to say that we have won that much because of MArotta, when under MArotta's firm hand, but with different coaches we have ranked 7th two seasons in a row. All football supporters in serie A, praise and respect Conte for what he did with us, it is a shame that some Juve fans give that credit to Marotta instead...

and so they did, for ex, when Balotelli was available, we cant know if Marotta tried for that too and lost him to competition.
for us that acquisition would be far more important than any CM and Marotta would earn eternal praise.

Opportunity targets are fine, but they should be considered depending on our needs.
Some times Marotta gets carried away and spends our limited funds on opportunity targets and then he cannot meet the requirements for our primary targets, either because there is no time or budget left.

This should be criticised, not praised. Those opportunity targets, that come in the expense of our primary targets, some times they make hurt our cause, more than helping it.
For ex, for 10 consecutive years, we have been spending most of our budget on new SSs and CMs, but our needs lie elsewhere, particularly in the finisher position, for the past 3 -4 years.
When Marotta brings a new decent SS or CM, either because he happened to be available on the cheap, or just as a consolation prize, we should not overlook the damage amde, for not acquiring what we really needed and only praise him for the acquisition. Everyone can spend money and everyone can use Juventus's name to attrack some interest from players like Krasic, Vidal and Pogba.

But is this what we really need right now, just some random opportunity targets?

With Conte, we have reached in a position that we can compete for me, we need to go to the next level and there is obviously smth that is holding us back and we cannot make those steps to reach the most competitive clubs. We should stop being pleased with mediocrity and focus on what is really needed.
We should stop making excuses to our selves. Last summer we were in a position to burst into a top dog, we only needed a couple of starters to deal with our greatest weakness.
Marotta has failed to improve them, we were all frustrated because of the lost opportunity, by the end of the summer and after a year we are yet again repeating the same things and forgetting what happened just in the previous trnasfer windows.

Overjoyed by a league title, that would have come anyway, without the acquisitions we made this season, just like it did last year, we are forgetting that last year was Marotta's chance and he has failed us!
He has already proven his incompetence to give us what we want and here we are again, praising him for Conte's deeds and hoping for the new Dzekos and RVPs...

Marotta never ever managed in his carrier to land a guy like them, or Cavani or Higuain, such high profile targets attract interest and competition that goes beyond his league.
Simple as that, no hurt feelings, but we need to move forward.

We are Juve fans, we need the best for our team, if Marotta would be able to give us, i dont see why any of us, would want him out.
The criticism on him, has some certain motives and for Juve fans, it obviously is to see Juve thrive, to see Juve go past any obstacles that hold her back, either be internal or external, either be malefic or moronic.


PS: i understand and in a degree share the fear, that we could do worse though, by bringing a new Secco like water boy.
Of course we can do better and our board has a tendency to do that. But is we dont dare, we will never improve.
We are now in a better negotiating position and have more ppl relevant to football to advice us, we can appeal to manangers we never could before,
it is a moment we would opt for an upgrade.
:lol:

Cronios?
 

ZoSo

Senior Member
Jul 11, 2011
41,656
It is stupid to have blind faith on anything!

Hope for the best and prepare for the worst!

Objectively MArotta did a LOT of mistakes in the previous years!
Criminal mistakes some of them, he has repeated the same mistakes again and again and showed no signs of improving.

This was a fact and nothing cant change that!
So chances are that he would repeat in the future with the same policy.
Thankfully miracles do happen, but only a fool relies on them!
When somebody is repeadely proved incompetent, or it is only natural that he will be criticised.
And it was a huge mistake to give him credit for other ppl's successes.

Marotta has done an outstanding job this mercato, so far!!
He now WORTHS all the praise he gets, becuase it was his job, his decision, his playground, it has nothing to do with players perfromance and tactics.
Just MArotta doing his job and providing us with the players we need!!
There is nothing more, or nothing less one can ask of him.

It is up to him and him alone to proove if he is up to the task or not.

Ever since he joined us, we had certain needs that were never met, certain players never arrived and we were pretty terrible at selling and loaning players.
The best thing Marotta has to show was opportunity targets, anyone in his shoes could have got.
He had zero credentials and zero results where it mattered the most.
It was only natural to criticise him for that. Better being wise, be carefull, instead of betting everything on a fool's hope...
most of the times, such bets dont pay off and there should only be taken at desperate times, when there are no other options, not when we can have even better odds on our favor.

Now, after seeing that he can do well, even just once, he will be given the benefit of doubt!
But again, it is entirely up to him.

The less one rates him, the more he is impressed by good deeds!
Marotta at this moment is the main protagonist of our team! And this moment is where the transfer director's job is rated!
Ever since Marotta joined us, in each and every transfer window and there has been 6 of those, our prime objectives were the same.
-We needed quality to upgrade our team, not quantity, Secco has been spending cash around on many but mediocre players and Marotta was hired to change that. This is what he announced from the very first season.
However he failed to do so ever since.
It is only an excuse that could hold some water ONLY for the first transfer window, but this wasnt the case, he keeps doing that, simply because he cant sign top players, simply put, they are beyond his league...
-We had a lot of deadwood we needed to unload, some of them were bought with 20-25mil, Marotta's priority was to sell them and create some decent income,
but he has failed miserably, each and every year...
-The players we needed the most were in 3 certain positions, a CF, a LM and LB, Treze, Neddy and Zambro were never replaced, Secco failed to do smth about it and Marotta has yet to find an answer too.
What he does is spending around our cash, using the prestige and financial status, to buy opportunity targets in the region of 15mil.
In a team like Samp, that would do the job, but we are now up against the best, we need to step up and Marotta really cant go further, lets just thank him and hire a manager of the next level.

I believe that Marotta did better than our 2 consecutive #7, the team was underperforming due to many factors, mostly the tacticians fault.
As we are now overperforming due to Conte. Everybody can see that, the coordinated attack on Conte was focused on him and him alone, because it is perfectly obvious that Conte was the reason that we stepped up, not Marotta.
It is a disgrace for us Juve fans not to aknowledge that.
Esp in the past two years, Conte was forced to make many compromises, because of Marotta's inabilities to sign the tools we needed the most, namely a goal scoarer.
In particular, this certain incompetence has put a limit to our level of performance and this year, while we were competing beyond serie A's disgraceful state,
this has been proofed beyond any doubt.

I cant understand how can anyone who loves Juve, would praise the very reason (Marotta) that is holding us back, esp in favor of Conte, the actual reason we are here and could give us more, if had a competent transfer manager, able to buy the top players we can afford...
 

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