Giuseppe Marotta (187 Viewers)

[JuveJay]

But Marotta is simply uncapable of getting out, because his limited capabilities

Marotta has been trying to sign a LB ever since he joined, but he fails in every single transfer window, either be winter or summer.

he also demanded for a LB, but MArotta has been failing ever since

Marotta left back failed bla bla etc...

Do you have anything to back up the idea that we have even tried to get a left back? Surely we'd have looked to get wide front players to support this back four option? I guess we tried and failed to get those too.

I see nothing which points to us looking at players for a 4-3-3 in the last two seasons. Maybe it'll change this summer.

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So now, we could opt, for a four man defense, if we had a LB of Licht's caliber. But we dont!
And thats solely falls on Marotta's shoulders!

So in a nutshell you're saying that this is because we failed to sign a left back. I'm saying that we never planned to sign one, because our other players suit 3-5-2 better, and that includes the lack of forward options (see, or ignore, Conte's comments about missing Pepe).

 

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[Hydde]

Signing a properly adept LB should be one of our priorities, right after getting a superb winger and another player to play 433.

Asamoah is as good as he can be, and we do not have back up for him. Dont count on Peluso, like Cronios said...he is serie B material at the very best.

Our LB position is cursed.

 

[Cronios]

Do you have anything to back up the idea that we have even tried to get a left back? Surely we'd have looked to get wide front players to support this back four option? I guess we tried and failed to get those too.

I see nothing which points to us looking at players for a 4-3-3 in the last two seasons. Maybe it'll change this summer.

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So in a nutshell you're saying that this is because we failed to sign a left back. I'm saying that we never planned to sign one, because our other players suit 3-5-2 better, and that includes the lack of forward options (see, or ignore, Conte's comments about missing Pepe).

Conte has asked for new wingbacks, from the very first moment he took over.
Thats why we have bought Licht!
Thats why we have been trying to lure in a LB, in every single transfer window!
Thats why he has tried DC at the begining.
Thats why we didnt settle with Giovinco.

But Marotta has been failing, before Conte and he keeps failing even after Conte. From Zeglier to Peluso, he is a constant failure, the need remains, thats why we keep buying the Pelusos, or the Asamaoh, Caceres, Padoins, that are not quite LBs, but can be fielded there, in lack of better options.
Conte had to adapt by fielding a 18mil DM as a wingback, in a way coaches are forced to field DMs as CBs...at CB crisis.
Thats the best he can do atm, from the available options Marotta has limited him, Asa being by far the most solid defensive option and one that can also offer to the build up.

But of course the search continues, as we are always linked with new Coentraos...
Even now we have been trying to loan Kolarov, in which hole one must have been living to miss all that?


And you better dont get me start comparing our options on the front, with our options on the back to prove what we need the most...

 

[JuveJay]

I agree, if we are going to use a 4-3-3. If you want a good left back then you pay good money and obviously you expect him to play a fair amount of the time, tying the formation to a back four. Alternatively you use someone like Kolarov who can play two position and also suit 3-5-2, as Cronios mentioned earlier.

I just see nothing to suggest we have tried to sign an authentic left back. Has Marotta ever said anything about signing one, Conte? Who do we even get strongly linked to? All I see is paper talk mentioning Kolarov or Evra every season, that's bored journalists for you, pushing for a formation change. More recently there have been some rumbles about Gabriel Silva, Nicola Murru and Ricardo Rodriguez. Very attainable players for us, two of them extremely easy.

Can't sign them? Won't sign them.

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Conte has asked for new wingbacks, from the very first moment he took over.

I assume you mean fullbacks, rather than wingbacks.

Thats why we have bought Licht!

Conte came to Juve with the idea of using a 4-4-2, so quite clearly.

Thats why we have been trying to lure in a LB, in every single transfer window!

This is basically the only point I am arguing against, I think this is complete bs.

Thats why he has tried DC at the begining.

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Thats why we didnt settle with Giovinco.

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But Marotta has been failing, before Conte and he keeps failing even after Conte. From Zeglier to Peluso, he is a constant failure, the need remains, thats why we keep buying the Pelusos, or the Asamaoh, Caceres, Padoins, than are not quite, but can be fielded there, in lack of better options.

Ziegler and Peluso are back up players, Peluso came in to cover an injury/provide depth, and Ziegler was a free transfer who could cover DL and WBL. Conte didn't like him.

Conte had to adapt by fielding a 18mil DM as a wingback, in way coaches are forced to field DMs as CBs... thats the best he can do, from the available options, being by far the most solid defensive option and one that can also offer to the build up.

So are we still talking about a DL or a WBL? I think you're confusing the two, which may be why we are even having this discussion. In the end Asamoah is perfectly capable there, so no need for 'chasing a left back every window'.

But of course the search continues, as we are always linked with new Coentraos...
Even now we have been trying to loan Kolarov, in which hole one must have been living to miss all that?

Both players who suit a 3-5-2 more in our system than a real left back. Ok, this all makes sense now.

 

[Hydde]

We cant know for sure if Conte has demanded the player, or if Marotta has failed to bring one after being desperate for one..... but all ill say is that for this coming mercato...we will have 3 interesting forwards available for us to pick on a relatively small budget, with 2 of them being perfect for a formation switch to a 433.

Just for this reason, we need to find a LB to give conte a real option for formation switch.

And no, Peluso is not wht we need to be looking at.

 

[Cronios]

We cant! if we could, we wouldnt have signed serie B material, like Peluso...
Unless you prefer the other reason, that we only want Italians for that spot for nationalistic reasons, thats why have tried each and every available solution that has appeared in the NT, in that position and we are insta interesting to every new crappy Italian LB that makes a few NT caps...

 

[Hydde]

In the end Asamoah is perfectly capable there, so no need for 'chasing a left back every window'.

This is misleading.
First, i think we have never used him as a left back, maybe just for the away madrid game but i could be wrong.
second, even when he is a commendable wingback, that is not his natural position, and we do not have a back up for him. Right now, we are being forced to use Peluso, and this is terrible.

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We cant! if we could, we wouldnt have signed serie B material, like Peluso...
Unless you prefer the other reason, that we only want Italians for that spot for nationalistic reasons, thats why have tried each and every available solution that has appeared in the NT, in that position and we are insta interesting to every new crappy Italian LB...

Well something must be done. We should be able to find at least ONE player capable of playing there. Its ridiculous we need to be happy with the likes of peluso and DC.

 

[Hængebøffer]

Wait wat? Dr. Cronios in the army

 

[Cronios]

I agree, if we are going to use a 4-3-3. If you want a good left back then you pay good money and obviously you expect him to play a fair amount of the time, tying the formation to a back four. Alternatively you use someone like Kolarov who can play two position and also suit 3-5-2, as Cronios mentioned earlier.

I just see nothing to suggest we have tried to sign an authentic left back. Has Marotta ever said anything about signing one, Conte? Who do we even get strongly linked to? All I see is paper talk mentioning Kolarov or Evra every season, that's bored journalists for you, pushing for a formation change. More recently there have been some rumbles about Gabriel Silva, Nicola Murru and Ricardo Rodriguez. Very attainable players for us, two of them extremely easy.

Can't sign them? Won't sign them.

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I assume you mean fullbacks, rather than wingbacks.


Conte came to Juve with the idea of using a 4-4-2, so quite clearly.


This is basically the only point I am arguing against, I think this is complete bs.


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Ziegler and Peluso are back up players, Peluso came in to cover an injury/provide depth, and Ziegler was a free transfer who could cover DL and WBL. Conte didn't like him.


So are we still talking about a DL or a WBL? I think you're confusing the two, which may be why we are even having this discussion. In the end Asamoah is perfectly capable there, so no need for 'chasing a left back every window'.


Both players who suit a 3-5-2 more in our system than a real left back. Ok, this all makes sense now.

JJ, what would you call a player like Licht, a wingback, or a fullback?
Have you seen Licht been succesfully used as a fullback/RB? Arent you pleased with his current use as a wingback?

A fullback, is a wide defender. If he is capable enough up front, he can also play as a wingback in another formation.
Thats whatwe need. The option we have now, do not offer that.
Indeed Asamoah comes closer to that, but he is a midfielder, midfielders can play wide as wingbacks, but cannot play in the back four as RBs in a 4-4-2.
This is the tactical option we lack, a left footed Licht!

 

[JuveJay]

We cant know for sure if Conte has demanded the player, or if Marotta has failed to bring one after being desperate for one..... but all ill say is that for this coming mercato...we will have 3 interesting forwards available for us to pick on a relatively small budget, with 2 of them being perfect for a formation switch to a 433.

Just for this reason, we need to find a LB to give conte a real option for formation switch.

And no, Peluso is not wht we need to be looking at.

Yes, but there is no point in us spending good money on an authentic left back if we are not changing formation. I'd prefer someone who can play DL and WBL without being too inefficient at either side of the game. Difficult players to find.

I also rate Asamoah as a LWB, although he is a great MLC.

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This is misleading.
First, i think we have never used him as a left back, maybe just for the away madrid game but i could be wrong.
second, even when he is a commendable wingback, that is not his natural position, and we do not have a back up for him. Right now, we are being forced to use Peluso, and this is terrible.

Well something must be done. We should be able to find at least ONE player capable of playing there. Its ridiculous we need to be happy with the likes of peluso and DC.

I think you misunderstood me in regards to Asamoah, I mean he is capable in his current position (LWB). I am also dubious about him at DL, but he may surprise us if ever used there for a spell.

I am also not too focused on Peluso as a legitimate DL option, he was only ever going to be a back up player, I would be interested to see Ogbonna there.

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JJ, what would you call a player like Licht, a wingback, or a fullback?
Have you seen Licht been succesfully used as a fullback/RB? Arent you pleased with his current use as a wingback?

Naturally he's a fullback (rightback), probably world class. I also think he is a very good wingback, athough some people here disagree.

A fullback, is a wide defender. If he is capable enough up front, he can also play as a wingback in another formation.
Thats whatwe need. The option we have now, do not offer that.
Indeed Asamoah comes closer to that, but he is a midfielder, midfielders can play wide as wingbacks, but cannot play in the back four as RBs in a 4-4-2.
This is the tactical option we lack, a left footed Licht!

I see we are really talking about versatile LWBs, so really we agree in principal, but I still have issue with your original point, and the signing and shifting of Asamoah (and also Isla, a RWB) suggested us staying with 3-5-2 and lessened the requirement for an authentic LWB.

 

[Hydde]

I would not mind Ogbonna or Asamoah as LB. IN fact, i think asamoah is much more trustworthy than ogbonna... just for the fact he has gained so mush experience as a LWB and he can do it all when talking about covering, tracking back, and going forward. His real downside is that he is limited as an offensive player in the last third, but that would not matter if he plays as a LB. Ogbonna is a prospect who needs more testing. But asamoah would get my approval. He is very versatile, like Vidal is.
But yeh, IMO Asa would be rock solid as a LB.

Indeed Asamoah comes closer to that, but he is a midfielder, midfielders can play wide as wingbacks, but cannot play in the back four as RBs in a 4-4-2.
This is the tactical option we lack, a left footed Licht!

Come on, players are not robots, they for sure can adapt.
Of course, you cant make a player like Chiellini to adapt and play as a support striker or as a Creative midfielder, because he just doesnt have the natural traits for that.
But a player like Asamoah has shown to have all whats needed to be a left back. He just needs a switch on his gameplan and focus more on defensive duties. He is athletic , he is fast and is a good tackler. And with all the training he has done as a LWB, he for sure can support the attack if needed as a LB.

If we are working on a budget, i would not mind to have Asa and Licht as LB and RB respectively, with Ogbonna and Caceres being their back ups. It would be a band aid fix for our 433 troubles, a very good one.

Of course, all of this assuming that we will get one of Berardi or Gabbi at the end of the season, and asuming that Conte is indeed looking for a 433 variant.

 

[Vlad]

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If by DC he means De Ceglie then Cronios is perfectly right. Conte did try him at first, but didn't succeed. Besides DC's usual liability issues the problem was Chiellini as well, who at that time had terrible run of form as CB and was shifted to LB. I'd say that the idea of 3 men defense was conceived back then with that move.

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I would not mind Ogbonna or Asamoah as LB. IN fact, i think asamoah is much more trustworthy than ogbonna... just for the fact he has gained so mush experience as a LWB and he can do it all when talking about covering, tracking back, and going forward. His real downside is that he is limited as an offensive player in the last third, but that would not matter if he plays as a LB. Ogbonna is a prospect who needs more testing. But asamoah would get my approval. He is very versatile, like Vidal is.
But yeh, IMO Asa would be rock solid as a LB.

 

[JuveJay]

If by DC he means De Ceglie then Cronios is perfectly right. Conte did try him at first, but didn't succeed. Besides DC's usual liability issues the problem was Chiellini as well, who at that time had terrible run of form as CB and was shifted to LB. I'd say that the idea of 3 men defense was conceived back then with that move.

I know who he meant, but De Ceglie was never going to be good enough to be a first choice option.

 

[Klin]

We dont use a LB, because we dont have a LB

 

[Hydde]

Marotta: 'I visited Real Madrid'
By Football Italia staff

Juventus director Beppe Marotta admits he met with Real Madrid today, but wouldn’t say if it involved Paul Pogba or Arturo Vidal.
The Bianconeri general manager is in Madrid for tonight’s Spain-Italy friendly and was spotted at the Merengues headquarters.
“Today I did visit Real Madrid, but even if I had spoken about Pogba and Vidal I wouldn’t tell you,” Marotta said to Sky Sport Italia.
He was also asked about the row over the last few days between Antonio Conte and Italy boss Cesare Prandelli over the decision to call up Giorgio Chiellini when not 100 per cent fit.
“Conte said certain things because he loves Juve too much, but I will shake Prandelli’s hand.”

 

[zizinho]

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[Turk_Bianconero]

It's a relief to know that whatever comes from sale of Pogba will be used for players like Osvaldo and Cerci who are actually capable of taking us to next step.

 

[icemaη]

Of course. Because Moggi got us Pogba in the first place.

 

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[Cheesio]

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