[GER] Bundesliga 2015/2016 (13 Viewers)

[Zacheryah]

Oscar fits Juventus better

People who want Isco, are the same who have been saying for a while we must sacrifice alot of organisation and defence to create more chances

Cause apparently, the 10+ big chances we create each game, isnt enough, and the clean sheets, arent important

 

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[Osman]

Isco only played AM/fake winger in starting 1-2 months for Real in first season when he scored plenty of goals. Since then, 2 seasons, and Ancelotti defenitely prefered a 3 man midfield more and more, and Isco HAD to become a a hardworking CM and lose himself in this task, and he has done admirable job despite not playing in his proper role, and losing form at times. The fact he has been putting alot of hard work as CM for a whole season seems to escaped many of you, and only see him as some lazy flair player when he isnt. He is an absolutely amazingly talented AM tho when given the freedom to play it. A role he rarely plays, and I doubt he will get to play any time soon, unless Benitez goes completely for 4-2-3-1, and Isco might be the vice James, if it comes to that.


Isco is a simply undoubly better player then Oscar, nothing to do with playing styles or overall well roundedness, but give the ball to Isco and he will exceute and give you more creative quality then Oscar, despite being bit a ballhog and fairly young still. I like Oscar, but he is simply not a top player, and he has become worse and worse the more the coaches asks him to do more then just attack, not better.

 

[DAiDEViL]

i stick by my opinion.

oscar is more complete.
isco is just fancy.

 

[Osman]

There are alot of players who are more complete then players who are undoubtly superior to them, means little. Especially Oscar I actually like, but he is really not special in general, just a very good and effective player to have.

 

[DAiDEViL]

finally i agree

 

[Fred]

isco might be more talented - but you should know that talent isnt everything.
talent alone will get you nowhere.

oscar under mou is working twice as hard as isco does for real.
i am sure if oscar could jog around like isco, he would look better and more fancy
to the epl fans.

oscar is the more complete player imo.

i stick by my opinion.

oscar is more complete.
isco is just fancy.

Now I'm sure you dont watch Oscar play. I simply don't understand why he's so highly rated. Ok he does work hard but as Osman said he simply does not have the creativity or ability that Isco has. So whether or not he works harder than Isco is irrelevant (actually its highly debatable too, Isco has actually played a much deeper and more defensive role than Oscar this season) because he simply does not have the ability or potential to ever be a top player while Isco definitely does.

Again, i dont understand how someone can watch Oscar play for Chelsea and come out and say he's better than Isco. I won't be surprised if eventually Mourinho upgrades over him and sells him off, I'd be extremely surprised if the more trigger happy Real do the same with Isco, thats saying something.

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finally i agree

He's saying more complete doesn't always mean better. Gerrard was more complete than Xavi was but he wasn't half the player.

 

[Osman]

Exactly, Overall jack of trades abilities (in Oscars case highly overrated since its not really true for him, he just an AM, can run alot, but thats it) is not a final way to determine a players quality. Oscar will soon become absolete in Chelsea I'm guessing, wouldnt be suprised if full time Mourinho signs a tougher CM/DM to partner Matic, and Cesc becomes AM on permanent basis, instead of big games. Mainly because Chelsea's midfield was found wanting in CL and he needs to toughen it up.

 

[DAiDEViL]

@Fred

i don’t even rate oscar that high.
but neather do i believe that isco is the second coming of jesus christ.

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He's saying more complete doesn't always mean better. Gerrard was more complete than Xavi was but he wasn't half the player.

biased

gerrard in his prime was great.
but they were completely different players.

xavi = passing only. but absolute worldclass.
whilest gerrard was more like a box to box in his best games.
shooting, physics...it was all there.

 

[Cheesio]

Fred and Osman

 

[j0ker]

Isco over Oscar anyday.

 

[lgorTudor]

He's saying more complete doesn't always mean better. Gerrard was more complete than Xavi was but he wasn't half the passer.

ftfy

 

[Osman]

Now to Bundesliga topic, now that Dortmund sold Immobile to Sevilla, who will they buy for nr 9?

 

[piotrr]

Now to Bundesliga topic, now that Dortmund sold Immobile to Sevilla, who will they buy for nr 9?

We have a great striker that will fit them like a Immo.. glove available.

 

[lgorTudor]

Now to Bundesliga topic, now that Dortmund sold Immobile to Sevilla, who will they buy for nr 9?

nobody

 

[Osman]

Obamayang works out, but really, have no ambition to improve their attack further? Ramos is cack too, so suprising if he stays and no one comes.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Obamayang works out, but really, have no ambition to improve their attack further? Ramos is cack too, so suprising if he stays and no one comes.

i think they are simply not in the position to attract a striker better than aubameyang, who does a good job.

 

[Osman]

Thats a shame, need to go back to the good old scouting that got them to the position they been in past years.

 

[lgorTudor]

They believe in that kid named Ducksch

Most likely they'll use a system similar to 4-2-3-1 where 1 striker is required only. Obama, Ramos, Duksch

 

[DAiDEViL]

they are bored of being bayerns feeder club aswell i guess.
therefore they take some years of

 

[Fred]

@Fred

i don’t even rate oscar that high.
but neather do i believe that isco is the second coming of jesus christ.

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biased

gerrard in his prime was great.
but they were completely different players.

xavi = passing only. but absolute worldclass.
whilest gerrard was more like a box to box in his best games.
shooting, physics...it was all there.

You telling me, an avid EPL follower that Gerrard was great in his prime? Of course he was, I rate him, and I like him too. He's a Liverpool legend and one of the best midfielders in the EPL in the last decade.

As for Xavi passing only, that's a silly thing to say I'm sorry. That's like saying Tevez only runs, or Vidal only tackles. The guy was a key and defining player in a Barcelona side that won multiple CL's and a Spanish NT that dominated International football for six years. Xavi and Iniesta in their prime played teams off the park in a way nobody else has in the past decade. He is levels above Gerrard, even Gerrard would probably tell you that.