[GER] Bundesliga 06/07 (2 Viewers)

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I only saw the summary on German Free TV, but they showed NO important scene where the ref was wrong in favour of werder. In fact, Bayern had a huge chance from offside position. I don't know what Sagnol is talking about.

I always enjoy Werder. They play entertaining football and have solid personalities with guys like Frings or Borowski, not to much glamour-diva-behaviour.
 

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sateeh

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    Lucio's Lament

    Well, never let it be said that I don’t put my neck on the block. In an earlier column, I suggested that Werder Bremen would become German champions at the end of the season. After Saturday’s 3-1 defeat of Bayern Munich, that prediction is looking a lot healthier than it might have been given Bremen’s inconsistent start to the season.

    Of course, that result may yet go down as a case of winning the battle and losing the war, but the early season signs are ominous for Bayern. The champions are vulnerable – especially in defence – and the old fear that the red jerseys engendered in opposing hoardes now seems to have dissipated.

    Lukas Podolski has taken time to settle, Roy Makaay looks on borrowed time, Lucio is a liability, Valerien Ismael is crocked, and Michael Ballack is gone. There’s little to fear from Bayern at the moment, save the belligerent shoulder charge from an irate Oliver Kahn that Diego took moments before returning the favour by smashing a rocket in off the goalkeeper’s crossbar to give Bremen the lead.

    Strangely, Felix Magath’s side has prospered in Europe, winning three times out of three in a tricky Champions’ League group. Tellingly, Bayern’s three Bundesliga defeats have all followed European outings. But if they could use that excuse when falling in Wolfsburg and Bielefeld, they were lost for words last weekend when losing to a side that had also been in continental action the previous midweek.

    Bremen continue to score goals for fun, netting nine goals in their last two Bundesliga matches alone. Remarkably, Miroslav Klose is enduring a barren patch, but the fact that 11 players have scored the club’s Bundesliga goals this season speaks for itself. No side in Germany can call on so many different potential goal-getters.

    Thomas Schaaf’s men continue to be Europe’s great entertainers – as brilliant in attack as they are brittle in defence. In Diego, they have an embryonic superstar. His finish on Saturday was awesome in its execution, his conviction rattling the Bayern bar as well as the visitors’ self-belief.

    However many men Bremen could call on for a goal, they hardly needed Lucio to help them out when the game was poised at a delicate 2-1. The Brazilian was, in some ways, at fault for all three Bremen goals. That he knocked one past his own goalkeeper for the killer third was appropriate given the sheer incompetence of his display. He was turned with facile ease by Diego for the opener, and parted his own defensive wall for Pierre Wome’s drilled second. He capped off an atrocious afternoon by getting himself injured. One can only wonder if that’s going to be a blessing for a side already without Ismael.

    Torsten Frings continues to give effervescent, combative performances for Bremen since his return from that ill-fated sojourn in Munich. Klose remains selfless and keen. If the goals dry up, there’s always Ivan Klasnic to rouse from the bench. Given the likelihood of an early exit from the Champions’ League, Werder look set to capitalise on Bavarian weakness and preoccupation. Magath knows a quarter-final run in the European Cup is vital for his credibility. He may have to sacrifice domestic consistency to achieve that.

    Schalke look to be the other real threat to Bayern’s hegemony, and they joined Bremen on top of the pile after Saturday’s win over Hannover. Perhaps the most interesting result of the weekend was HSV’s success at Bayer Leverkusen. Thomas Doll’s team ended a barren run of 15 matches when Paolo Guerrero – formerly of Bayern – netted a late winner at the Bay Arena. That goal, the Peruvian’s second, should earn the striker a starting chance next weekend.

    The result took HSV out of the bottom three and to within five points of Bayern! That gap alone highlights the tightness of the Bundesliga this season. As bad a start as Hamburg have had, the return of Rafael van der Vaart – crucially back in action last Sunday – could yet see the Redshorts motor steadily into a position of contention. With the leaders all capable of dropping points, nothing has been decided. For once, it would seem as if the title race – and its concomitant European qualification issues – is set to run to the final weeks of what promises to be a most unpredictable season.
     

    Marc

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    Bayern really disappointed me.

    Although I like them the most in Germany, I have to congratulate Werder fans and players (you too, Altagsheld).

    Bayern performances in Champions League and in Bundesliga are completely different.

    I don´t see Bayern defending the Bundesliga title this year.
     
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    Jeeks said:
    How big are Juve's chances in signing Lucio?
    well there is the potential that they would sell him. Hes the most hated guy over there now, they really wanted to beat Bremen and get their revenge but that didnt happen.
     

    Alltagsheld

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    mark83 said:
    Bayern really disappointed me.
    Although I like them the most in Germany, I have to congratulate Werder fans and players (you too, Altagsheld).
    Thanks a lot. I guess we have a good team together this year with our defense stronger than ever and our attack, well, I wouldn't mind the attackers score again. Klasnic has always problems after the long breaks. After the winter he returned kinda plump and didn't play very well the first games but after a while, he was great again. But it feels good not to depend on Klasnic to have a great attack, since Aaron Hunt is playing his best season so far an will soon be a man for the German national team.

    I have become a fan of Hugo Almeida, our new attacker loaned from Porto

    He's a giant rock and scored in the first two games of the season. He plays for Portugal's U-21 and had his debut for Scolari's first team of Portugal a few weeks ago. I hope he'll make it at Werder.
     

    Alltagsheld

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    Anyone interested in the Bundesliga today? I'm not sure I am but want to mention a few things.

    Current table:


    G WD L Goals Diff Pts.
    1. SV Werder Bremen 9 6 1 2 27:11 +16 19

    2. Bayern München 9 5 1 3 14:10 +4 16

    3. FC Schalke 04 8 5 1 2 11:8 +3 16

    4. Energie Cottbus 9 4 2 3 13:12 +1 14

    5. 1. FC Nürnberg 9 2 7 0 11:7 +4 13

    6. Hertha BSC Berlin 9 3 4 2 14:11 +3 13

    7. Borussia Dortmund 9 3 4 2 12:11 +1 13

    8. TSV Alemannia Aachen 8 4 0 4 14:12 +2 12

    9. VfB Stuttgart 8 3 3 2 14:14 0 12

    10. Borussia Mönchengladbach 9 4 0 5 10:13 -3 12

    11. Arminia Bielefeld 8 3 2 3 11:10 +1 11

    12. Bayer Leverkusen 9 3 2 4 13:13 0 11

    13. Eintracht Frankfurt 9 1 7 1 11:11 0 10

    14. VfL Wolfsburg 9 2 4 3 6:9 -3 10

    15. Hamburger SV 9 1 6 2 10:11 -1 9

    16. Hannover 96 9 1 4 4 9:18 -9 7

    17. 1. FSV Mainz 05 9 1 4 4 8:17 -9 7

    18. VfL Bochum 9 1 2 6 7:17 -10 5



    Every Saturday (3.30 pm CET) you can listen to a conference in English :
    http://www.bundesliga.de/en/index.php


     

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    Werder had a fabulous game on Friday. 6-1 vs Mainz and.........the attackers scored again :) :) :) . Two goals by both Klose and Hunt, a lot of pressure now away from Klose. In some ways similar to Del Piero.


    The look of relieve...
     
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    how were the goals from hunt and klose ?

    Bayern r perfect at home, which is great cuz they have Inter there and i want a demolishen
     

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    I have to admit that Azouagh's freekick was beautiful. A mistake by Wiese they said on the TV. Doesn't matter anyway. The only thing that counts now is our game in Sofia.
     
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    As far as the Bundesliga is concerned, there is another crucial European week ahead. Both the Champions League and the UEFA Cup may currently be in their group stages, where even a resounding defeat won't get you eliminated, but that makes little difference for German football. We need every goal, every draw, every win we can get.

    That's because the Bundesliga is in grave danger of losing yet another place in Uefa's country rankings. There is even a distinct possibility that Germany will, in the not-too-distant future, send only one team directly to the Champions League and another to the qualifying rounds- and it could happen as early as 2008.

    If you don't believe the mighty Bundesliga could be overtaken by such comparatively weak leagues as the Portugese, the Dutch or, gasp, the Romanian, just have a look at past years.

    As we entered the 1980s, there was little doubt that the Bundesliga was the strongest of the European leagues. English clubs may have dominated the European Cup, but we are talking about general competitiveness here, and for that you only need to look at the 1979-80 season, when all four semi-finalists in the Uefa Cup came from Germany. There was also a fifth Bundesliga club in the quarter-finals, Kaiserslautern, who were eliminated by Bayern.

    But then the Serie A lifted its ban on foreigners, and since most Italian clubs are run by corporations or wealthy businessmen, money quickly began to talk. For the following decade, and a good part of the one after that, Italy led Germany in Uefa's country rankings, based on points accumulated over a five-year period.

    In the mid-1990s, Germany were suddenly out of the top three for the first time ever, behind Spain, Italy and France, thus losing a starting place in the Uefa Cup. Yet that seemed to be nothing more than a brief scare - the heroics of Bayern, Schalke and Dortmund in 1996 and 1997 quickly set matters straight again. Or so people thought- but it was a false new dawn.

    By 1998, Germany were in second place in Uefa's country rankings, behind Spain. But in 2000, the Bundesliga fell to third place, behind both Spain and Italy. In 2001, England - whose league had only been seventh-best as late as 1996 - overtook Germany too. And by 2005, the Bundesliga found itself in an embarrassing fifth place, now behind France as well.

    If you think this column is now heading into the general direction of cultural criticism - wrong. I have explained why there is less money in the German game time and time again. We have to accept that there is really no way for the Bundesliga to compete with Spain, Italy and England unless things are radically changed, either at our end or at theirs. However, that our clubs are having a hard time competing with teams from these countries is not the problem.

    Take last season. Mainz and then Schalke being eliminated from the Uefa Cup by Sevilla and Middlesbrough respectively, we can live with that. Because, as hard as it may be to believe this, even Boro's coffers are much deeper than those of their Swabian opponents. The £7.5 million Boro paid for Ayegbeni Yakubu would have broken Stuttgart's transfer record by more than £3 million!

    No, the problem is the other results. Leverkusen were knocked out in the first round by CSKA Sofia, then Rapid Bucharest stopped both Hertha and Hamburg even before the quarter finals. Such setbacks, it has to be stated, are by no means aberrations - they have become the norm.

    In the 2004-05 season, Belgian and Ukranian teams eliminated Bundesliga representatives from the Uefa Cup. A year earlier, the complete German contingent in this competition was wiped out by teams such as Sochaux (France), Teplice (Czech Republic), Brondby (Denmark), Dnipropetrovsk (Ukraine) and Grodzisk Wielkopolski (Poland).

    And all the signs are that this season's campaign will follow the same path. Hertha have already bitten the dust against Odense, while Schalke stumbled over Nancy. 'Half of the Bundesliga clubs are desperate to qualify for Europe - and then they don't play any role there,' says former German international Thomas Berthold. He also predicts that only Bayern and Bremen will still be active in one of the two Uefa club competitions once 2007 comes around. That, you have to admit grudgingly, isn't pessimism but realism.

    Of course the main question is why our clubs have taken up the nasty habit of repeatedly losing against teams they should, with all due repsect, be able to cope with. Don't expect an answer from me, as I'm just as unable to explain this as the players, their coaches or the fans are.

    Schalke's supporters came close to rioting after their side's pitiful performance in Nancy. And 'Kicker' magazine reported that one disillusioned fan told the club officials: 'You know how we all hate Bayern Munich. But we have to admit that s*** like this doesn't happen at Bayern!'

    Whatever the reasons, the repercussions could be painful. As we speak, Germany trails France, the fourth-placed country in the Uefa rankings, by 9.3 points. This is a gap we cannot bridge in the forseeable future, which becomes clear when you have a look at the pack chasing the Bundesliga: Portugal is just a shade over one point behind Germany, Romania 2.4 points and Holland 4.1 points.

    The only good thing is that we still have five teams in the competitions, as many as Holland but more than Portugal and Romania. However, strength in numbers isn't worth a nickel as long as those teams don't collect points for the Bundesliga. You hear that, Hamburg?

    The three Romanian starters, for instance, have already accumulated almost twice as many points for their country rankings as the five German sides have. And this is no one-season fluke. Over the past three years, Romania has climbed from 25th place to 7th. I guess we have to start rooting for Real Madrid, Besiktas Istanbul and Hapoel Tel Aviv, who play Steaua, Dinamo and Rapid Bucharest this week. It could be our last hope.
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    very important issue there. We know there is less money in Germany however there should be enough quality to at least do well in the Uefa cup.
     

    Marc

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    Interesting article, sateeh.

    I became aware of that a year or two ago.

    German club-football is sinking down.
     
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    mark83 said:
    Interesting article, sateeh.

    I became aware of that a year or two ago.

    German club-football is sinking down.
    very interesting....i knew there were problems but not that big.

    I think the main problem is that there isnt that much money from the tv rights(at least not as much as in the other top leagues).

    Even the little money most teams get is not invested properly, the smarter teams in bringing players improved over the years( Werder, even Herta and Hamburg) and others just went into the dark(Leverkusan)

    I dont know why German teams choke in europe, mybe due to the smaller teams that r entering European comeptitions, who do not aspire as much as the other teams with a big history in those competitions.

    Anyway its a shame if the spots do get decreased, however until they do well in those competitions then its for the better of the game that one spot gets rescinded
     

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    sateeh said:
    Schalke's supporters came close to rioting after their side's pitiful performance in Nancy. And 'Kicker' magazine reported that one disillusioned fan told the club officials: 'You know how we all hate Bayern Munich. But we have to admit that s*** like this doesn't happen at Bayern!'
    Nice article. But I actually think that there are enough good players at Schalke. Players like Ernst (great in Bremen, weak at Schalke), Kuranyi and Lincoln.
    But they don't play as good as they could. I think the Bundesliga is still very attractive to good players and there are some, like Juan and Lucio from the Brazilian national team. But many clubs seem not to be able to bring out their whole quality. I don't know why, believe me or not, but I think that's a big part of the problem.

    We don't have large amounts of money, but almost the whole German national team playing in Germany. It doesn't feel that good to praise my own club again, but the only teams who show that there is different way, a chance for German clubs in Europe, are Bayern (sometimes) and Werder.
     

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