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ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
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Just generally wondering what is so important with all these rituals all different religions have?

Do you guys really think that keeping to the rituals is so important in the belief in god? Like different rituals means different or false gods? To me it seems more of a social club thing, a community thing.

Funny thing is that bible gods and muslim one doesn't have a name - just god, so how can people claim that they are believing in wrong god if they get out of bed on a different foot then the next religion?
Just for info, The Muslim's God is Allah.
 

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Raz

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Nov 20, 2005
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What does Allah mean? The jewish as christians can call him "all mighty" "god" or "Yahweh" but that isn't a name really like shiva or whatever.
 

ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
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What does Allah mean? The jewish as christians can call him "all mighty" "god" or "Yahweh" but that isn't a name really like shiva or whatever.
ٍSo logically speaking when there is only one God, why should he call himself anything but God?
 

Raz

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Nov 20, 2005
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This is true in christian world too, you can call all those names god. All mighty, all knowing and etc. That isn't a name really is it?

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ٍSo logically speaking when there is only one God, why should he call himself anything but God?
Well it's a term not really a name to describe all those things that god is.
 

Raz

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What I'm wondering is that if god isn't a name but just a way to describe an all knowing all powerfull and etc being, and every religion believes in such an all knowing and all powerful being so why the devide. why is community and social rituals are so important that they would divide people from essentially believing in the same thing.
 
Jul 2, 2006
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This is true in christian world too, you can call all those names god. All mighty, all knowing and etc. That isn't a name really is it?
It's not a big mystery. Since the first man and Prophet, Adam, same message has been delivered. ''La ilahe illallah'' ''No God but Allah''
It's normal if same word is being used throughout history and by various different people.
 

Raz

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Nov 20, 2005
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Well, I do not really understand where you are trying to arrive here
The question arose when you said shia and whatever other group was divided because they chewed with a different side of their mouth. I can understand the closeminded people who would think like this about different religions, but to be divided even in the same religion by trivial things.

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It's not a big mystery. Since the first man and Prophet, Adam, same message has been delivered. ''La ilahe illallah'' ''No God but Allah''
It's normal if same word is being used throughout history and by various different people.
You do know that muslim religion is a baby one compared to others?
 
Jul 2, 2006
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The question arose when you said shia and whatever other group was divided because they chewed with a different side of their mouth. I can understand the closeminded people who would think like this about different religions, but to be divided even in the same religion by trivial things.

You do know that muslim religion is a baby one compared to others?
It's also only one which arrived to this day and last until the last of the days without being altered.
 

ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
22,871
What I'm wondering is that if god isn't a name but just a way to describe an all knowing all powerfull and etc being, and every religion believes in such an all knowing and all powerful being so why the devide. why is community and social rituals are so important that they would divide people from essentially believing in the same thing.
According to Islam, all the three religions had the same exact message by the prophets of Allah. But the difference is that after the prophets Moses and Jesus finished their work, Jews and Christians chose what they wanted of these rituals and followed them. They had no reference to use when later they had differences about the way of worshiping. That is why Quran was sent from Allah to Prophet Muhammad. Whenever somebody needs any reference about the ways of worshiping Allah, he/she can go back to Quran without any interfering by any intermediary...
 

Raz

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Nov 20, 2005
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Again with the rituals. What is so important with those rituals that is worth to divide people in different groups with incompatable beliefs. Do you think the god is ill from sort of OCD?

My straight question would be why are rituals so important if essentially the god is the same to everybody? Doesn't it seem to you that these rituals (in every religion) are just cultural and communal things?
 

ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
22,871
Again with the rituals. What is so important with those rituals that is worth to divide people in different groups with incompatable beliefs. Do you think the god is ill from sort of OCD?

My straight question would be why are rituals so important if essentially the god is the same to everybody? Doesn't it seem to you that these rituals (in every religion) are just cultural and communal things?
On what basis, you will be rated by Allah as a person that deserves to go to Heaven or to Hell, if not by committing to these rituals? Rituals in Islam are the same all over the world. it is definitely not a cultural or communal thing.
 
Jul 2, 2006
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Again with the rituals. What is so important with those rituals that is worth to divide people in different groups with incompatable beliefs. Do you think the god is ill from sort of OCD?

My straight question would be why are rituals so important if essentially the god is the same to everybody? Doesn't it seem to you that these rituals (in every religion) are just cultural and communal things?
There is no ''seem to you'' or ''seem to me'' in this case. If you call yourself a Muslim, it's very clear and simple how should you practice it. Only guide is Quran and Sunnah.
 

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