General Religion & Philosophy Discussion Thread (27 Viewers)

[swag]

One great coincidence is that the Sumerians invented Christianity and Islam centuries before their advocates even knew what they were.

 

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[IrishZebra]

There is no god, ya'll. Let NDT school ya.

Can't exactly be disproved Certainly can't be proven.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

So now you're in the phase of ''there is something but'' instead of ''there is nothing''. Atheist evolved into deist?

There probably is something. But it's not the thing we define as God. There's nothing to show that the concept of god is anything more than a figment of human imagination.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

One great coincidence is that the Sumerians invented Christianity and Islam centuries before their advocates even knew what they were.

There are similiarities between old faiths and Christianity and Islam! How could this be possible while Prophets since the beginning of time(first man was also first prophet) spreaded the same divine message? This is really a big mystery which should be solved.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

There are similiarities between old faiths and Christianity and Islam! How could this be possible while Prophets since the beginning of time(first man was also first prophet) spreaded the same divine message? This is really a big mystery which should be solved.

Yes, cos we all know Christianity and Islam are the only true religions.

 

[Lapa]

Yes, cos we all know Christianity and Islam are the only true religions.

Since they kill more people than all the other religions combined? Yes, those two are like Sylvester Stallone and Chuck Norris of all religions.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

Another bad argument. Dude, godless ideologies killed more than you think.

 

[Lapa]

Another bad argument. Dude, godless ideologies killed more than you think.

It was more of a joke for Sheik.

But if you want to argue with me about this: RELIGIONS KILL PEOPLE! More than atheism does. Your so called God is thirsty and wants more blood. But the truth is that it's not your God, it's people like you who kill people on the name of their so called Gods. Don't argue with me about this shit. You religious people are just maggots for me. And all I did was telling a joke.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Another bad argument. Dude, godless ideologies killed more than you think.

Why is killing the only criteria? What about false promises, untestable claims, fake claims, blasphemy, genital mutilation, misogyny, abuse of authority, intolerance, slavery, sexual abuse? I bet your godful ideologies contribute to much of this.

 

[Lapa]

Why is killing the only criteria? What about false promises, untestable claims, fake claims, blasphemy, genital mutilation, misogyny, abuse of authority, intolerance, slavery, sexual abuse? I bet your godful ideologies contribute to much of this.

Shhh...they are all right, even though they all believe in other Gods.

Even if there would be a "heaven", it would be full of pussies. Hell would be for heroes.

 

[Tommy]

There are similiarities between old faiths and Christianity and Islam! How could this be possible while Prophets since the beginning of time(first man was also first prophet) spreaded the same divine message? This is really a big mystery which should be solved.

you mean male homo sapien? don't think there was only one. evolution was continuous and the results were in groups.

 

[JuveJay]

If you and your friend go out shopping separately and both buy the same pair of shoes, it might be a coincidence or there might be a purpose in it which we are not aware of.

Most likely is because we would have similar tastes, similar ideas as to what is fashionable, being friends.

Least likely is that an immortal being has decided we should have the same shoes.

On the other hand this is not coincidence; ''If the laws of nature were just slightly different, the delicate balance would not exist between hydrogen, oxygen, and carbon. Without this balance thousands of critical molecular interactions would not happen. There are only a few elements that can sustain life through their unique properties. Any change would make life impossible.''

There is no shortage of examples. This is what the very same science which is worshipped by most of the atheists says. But their damn pride...

Perfectly located and balanced planet with many defence mechanisms to protect the life forms living in it. Yes, i think that is too much for coincidence.

Why is Earth the only planet we know of with this perfect balance required for life? It just so happens that we have ideal conditions for this, this is where our planet is situated. That's as big a coincidence as I can think of. Look at poor Venus or Mars, so close yet so far. God must be trolling them.

When the Suns grows larger and burns the planet into dust, or the Earth's core heat dies, then the balance is no longer there, it's not divine intervention or coincidence, just a chemical reaction happening on a galactic time scale. Human kind is a speck against this period of time. That's not to say we are irrelevant, because we can't possibly think to measure ourselves against that kind of time period. Look at dinosaurs, they were around for 170 million years compared to 0.2 million years for humans in our modern form. Who knows what we could look like over a couple of millions years, let alone think.

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There are similiarities between old faiths and Christianity and Islam! How could this be possible while Prophets since the beginning of time(first man was also first prophet) spreaded the same divine message? This is really a big mystery which should be solved.

It's not to say that a God doesn't exist, because humans seem to always have an innate idea of superior beings. Be it a god in the Sun, thunder, clouds, animals, whatever. Just that clever people have had thousands of years to come up with better stories.

 

[ALC]

Shhh...they are all right, even though they all believe in other Gods.

Even if there would be a "heaven", it would be full of pussies. Hell would be for heroes.

The devil is being the bigger man while God keeps talking shit about him.

 

[IrishZebra]

This thread used to be a hotbed of inflammatory rhetoric, it's just shit now.

 

[swag]

There are similiarities between old faiths and Christianity and Islam! How could this be possible while Prophets since the beginning of time(first man was also first prophet) spreaded the same divine message? This is really a big mystery which should be solved.

I don't know if it needs to be solved. This is where I admire the thinking of Vaclav Havel: he used to suggest that the similarity of these stories resonated among peoples all over the world like an antenna. People at the time that often had no contact with each other. And that they independently arose with similar metaphysical beliefs said something about the innate nature of being human.

Which is a fascinating discussion. But throwing "God" into the mix or not does not make that any more or less relevant.

This thread used to be a hotbed of inflammatory rhetoric, it's just shit now.

Just the way I like it.

 

[swag]

On the less shit note, here's some entertainment from AlterNet this week:

6 of the Nuttiest Right-Wing Statements Just from this Week Alone
http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-a...ht-wing-statements-just-week-alone?paging=off

5. Mike Huckabee: For your weekly dose of Islamophobia

The closing of U.S. embassies in the Middle East due to possibly trumped up terrorism threats gave Fox News host and former presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee the opportunity to unleash, or should we say “uncork” his Islamophobic views — which are voluminous.

“Can someone explain to me why it is that we tiptoe around a religion that promotes the most murderous mayhem on the planet in their so-called 'holiest days’?” he asked, rhetorically, of course, since it is his radio show. “You know, if you’ve kept up with the Middle East, you know that the most likely time to have an uprising of rock throwing and rioting comes on the day of prayer on Friday.”

“So the Muslims will go to the mosque, and they will have their day of prayer, and they come out of there like uncorked animals — throwing rocks and burning cars.”

Just to be clear that he is not prejudiced against all Muslims, Huckabee did say not all of them are violent, but he is a serious student of the Islamic faith and habits, and through this serious study and observation, he has learned “that the most likely times for them to erupt in some type of terrorist activity, violent storming of an embassy, is on their holy days.”

Christians, on the other hand, he points out, never riot on Christmas or Easter.

“Now, my point is — I mean do you ever say 'Oh boy, it’s Christmas! Oh my gosh, these Christians are going to come out of that Christmas Eve service and they are going to Walmart, and they are going to so rip that place apart, because you know what happens when they go in there and pray about Jesus. And they get out of there and they go straight to the mall, and they just, I mean they set fire to the place.’ I mean, when Christians get out of their Christmas services, about the worst thing they do is commit the sin of gluttony when they go to some Christmas dinner, be it at a restaurant or someone’s home.” Huckabee ranted.

Apparently, he has never seen the riotous, mob-like behavior of so-called Christians on Black Friday, the holiest day in American capitalist Christendom.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

The right wing

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

I don't know if it needs to be solved. This is where I admire the thinking of Vaclav Havel: he used to suggest that the similarity of these stories resonated among peoples all over the world like an antenna. People at the time that often had no contact with each other. And that they independently arose with similar metaphysical beliefs said something about the innate nature of being human.

You can also believe the story about aliens created mankind while you're at it. Innate nature, aliens, coincidence, all are reasonable as long as it is not religion. It's ironic, how you atheists love to call the religious as bigots while you too are so close-minded against religion and ready to believe every bullshit theory you read about beginning of life as long as it does not include a god to worship.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Turk, you mistake accepting the plausibility of those stories as belief. You're wrong.

And yes, religion is unreasonable as the concept of god is unreasonable.

 

[swag]

You can also believe the story about aliens created mankind while you're at it. Innate nature, aliens, coincidence, all are reasonable as long as it is not religion. It's ironic, how you atheists love to call the religious as bigots while you too are so close-minded against religion and ready to believe every bullshit theory you read about beginning of life as long as it does not include a god to worship.

Btw, I'm not an atheist. (Just as The Sheik how often I bust on atheists.)

I really can't reply, because you're not even talking English to me.