Geert Wilders (8 Viewers)

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Welcome, Mother Teresa :tup:
Mother Teresa was an atheist actually, she admitted in her letters that she couldn't bring herself to believe in god even if she wanted to :tup:

I did not want to win this. I wanted to see your objective evidences. It is so hard to find them. I feel you, mate :tup:
You're the one making the claim, therefore it is your responsibility to provide the evidence, not his. That's how an argumental discussion works.
 

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ReBeL

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    Mother Teresa was an atheist actually, she admitted in her letters that she couldn't bring herself to believe in god even if she wanted to :tup:
    So what?

    You're the one making the claim, therefore it is up to you to provide the evidence. That's how an argumental discussion works.
    Do you want me to prove that people were killed during the World War 2 regardless of their religion? Go and read how many Russians were killed during the war? Were they targeted because all of them were Jewish?
     
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    So what?



    Do you want me to prove that people were killed during the World War 2 regardless of their religion? Go and read how many Russians were killed during the war? Were they targeted because all of them were Jewish?
    No, you are claiming that the Holocaust is "exaggerated" by saying that some insist that only Jews were targeted.

    Provide some evidence of these exaggerations, preferably statements of the Israeli government.

    If it's just some random people saying this, well there are some delusional nut jobs everywhere you know...

    Oh and on the "this source can't be trusted because of Zionist puppet government" argument, I'd expect some good evidence to back that up too because if you don't it's a blanket statement unworthy of consideration.
     
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    ReBeL

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    No, you are claiming that the Holocaust is "exaggerated" by saying that some insist that only Jews were targeted.

    Provide some evidence of these exaggerations, preferably statements of the Israeli government.

    If it's just some random people saying this, well there are some delusional nut jobs everywhere you know...
    You are so brainwashed with that holocaust thing. It is hopeless to discuss you logically
     
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    Let's recapitulate.

    1. You claim that the holocaust is purposely exaggerated by "Zionists" to legitimize their actions.
    2. Buck states that there is plenty of evidence to suggest that the numbers of casualties are not amplified.
    3. You dismiss his statement by using the "vilifying the source" fallacy, by claiming that his sources are biased.
    4. You don't provide sources for your own claim, which is already fallacious. Therefore, you are using the blanket statement fallacy.
    5. I ask for your sources since you didn't support any claim with evidence, which is a very normal thing to do in an argument.
    6. You reject the validity of discussing with me on charges that I am brainwashed, which is yet another logical fallacy, the "ad hominem" fallacy.

    You have used three logical fallacies in five posts, you are really surpassing yourself.

    Please continue, this is getting amusing.
     
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    ReBeL

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    Let's recapitulate.

    1. You claim that the holocaust is purposely exaggerated by "Zionists" to legitimize their actions.
    2. Buck states that there is plenty of evidence to suggest that the numbers of casualties are not amplified.
    3. You dismiss his statement by using the "vilifying the source" fallacy, by claiming that his sources are biased.
    4. You don't provide sources for your own claim, which is already fallacious. Therefore, you are using the blanket statement fallacy.
    5. I ask for your sources since you didn't support any claim with evidence, which is a very normal thing to do in an argument.
    6. You reject the validity of discussing with me on charges that I am brainwashed, which is yet another logical fallacy, the "ad hominem" fallacy.

    You have used three logical fallacies in five posts, you are really surpassing yourself.

    Please continue, this is getting amusing.
    And now you can fly a kite. Can't you?
     

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    Does it really matter if the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust is 5 million or 10 million or if among the targeted groups were also the Poles, the Soviet POWs, the disabled, the Gypsies etc?

    The number of Jews killed/died in awful conditions in concentration or labor camps, ghettos etc is bigger than the number of any other group. Now, that number is definitely in millions. You have a number of Jewish population before the war and then you have a good number of many millions missing. They weren't where they were before the war and they weren't in Israel either.
    But does it really matter how many millions they were when we're still talking about of millions of people killed and targeted only because of their origin.
     
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    Does it really matter if the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust is 5 million or 10 million or if among the targeted groups were also the Poles, the Soviet POWs, the disabled, the Gypsies etc?

    The number of Jews killed/died in awful conditions in concentration or labor camps, ghettos etc is bigger than the number of any other group. Now, that number is definitely in millions. You have a number of Jewish population before the war and then you have a good number of many millions missing. They weren't where they were before the war and they weren't in Israel either.
    But does it really matter how many millions they were when we're still talking about of millions of people killed and targeted only because of their origin.
    Not really.

    Yet according to ReBeL, this process(genocide) should be repeated a second time.
     
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    Does it really matter if the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust is 5 million or 10 million or if among the targeted groups were also the Poles, the Soviet POWs, the disabled, the Gypsies etc?

    The number of Jews killed/died in awful conditions in concentration or labor camps, ghettos etc is bigger than the number of any other group. Now, that number is definitely in millions. You have a number of Jewish population before the war and then you have a good number of many millions missing. They weren't where they were before the war and they weren't in Israel either.
    But does it really matter how many millions they were when we're still talking about of millions of people killed and targeted only because of their origin.
    The number doesn't matter as civilian life should be respected always, but why focusing on the victims of jews while ignoring the Russians for example?
    And Why should other people pay for those crimes?
     

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    He is not a random idiot, Kyle. If he were a normal person, it would not attract anybody's attention, but he is one of the people that have followers in Holland. That means that his opinion is not just his own. For example, when he comes to his followers on Tv to say that "Palestine should be substituted by Jordan". Is that not stupid interferring in our own life?

    Why is Taliban attacked then for having opposing views to the West?
    Dude, nobody here who is advocating freedom of speech is saying that Muslims should just shut up and take it or that Jews should be somehow untouchable or unoffendable.

    I don't think you quite get how Freedom of speech works...
     
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    Not really.

    Yet according to ReBeL, this process(genocide) should be repeated a second time.
    I won't respond to your stupid posts as you are not worth talking with really. If I feel you deserve a second chance, I'll let you know. :tup:
     
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    I won't respond to your stupid posts as you are not worth talking with really. If I feel you deserve a second chance, I'll let you know. :tup:
    I merely restated an opinion of yours.

    I fail to see how it is a stupid post. I didn't put words into your mouth, you made the mistake of expressing it yourself.

    You can't expect to be taken seriously in a discussion if you make blanket statements without backing them up with evidence.
     
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    Dude, nobody here who is advocating freedom of speech is saying that Muslims should just shut up and take it or that Jews should be somehow untouchable or unoffendable.

    I don't think you quite get how Freedom of speech works...
    When Wilders makes that stupid movie which has no goal but teasing more than one billion people and he is considered a hero in Holland, is that freedom of speech?
     

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    When Wilders makes that stupid movie which has no goal but teasing more than one billion people and he is considered a hero in Holland, is that freedom of speech?
    He got only 15,4% of the votes in the 2010 elections (2 years after his movie), so it's clear that he's not the most popular among the majority :D
     

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