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Trezegol17

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Exactly...

Freedom of speech can be applied when you insult Islam but you can not say a word against jews and holocaust.

Pathetic really for those who claim they are for freedom of speech.




Either you are insulted day and night or go back to your country. And even in your country if you complain about those who are attacking your beliefs, just wait for the planes to bomb you.



He is not a random idiot, Kyle. If he were a normal person, it would not attract anybody's attention, but he is one of the people that have followers in Holland. That means that his opinion is not just his own. For example, when he comes to his followers on Tv to say that "Palestine should be substituted by Jordan". Is that not stupid interferring in our own life?

Why is Taliban attacked then for having opposing views to the West?
To be fair, he has alot of followers outside the Netherlands aswell.
 

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chester

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Reb,

If you would walk around in Brussels, Amsterdam and so on, and you see how many "other cultures" you have there, accompanied by the danger in those cities, the criminalty in those cities, the fact that you feel a foreigner in your own city, you'll know that there are people who are an easy target for smart people like Wilders with their rather radical statements.
Especially with everything that happened in the last 10 years in the world.
 
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ReBeL

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    Reb,

    If you would walk around in Brussels, Amsterdam and so on, and you see how many "other cultures" you have there, accompanied by the danger in those cities, the criminalty in those cities, the fact that you feel a foreigner in your own city, you'll know that there are people who are an easy target for smart people like Wilders with their rather radical statements.
    Especially with everything that happened in the last 10 years in the world.
    Do you think he is smart, Andy? Isn't insulting others an easy thing?
     

    Buck Fuddy

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    Exactly...

    Freedom of speech can be applied when you insult Islam but you can not say a word against jews and holocaust.

    Pathetic really for those who claim they are for freedom of speech.
    Jews get about as much criticism as Muslims. And, believe it or not, both "sides" get mostly the same types of criticism.


    Either you are insulted day and night or go back to your country. And even in your country if you complain about those who are attacking your beliefs, just wait for the planes to bomb you.
    Insulted day & night? That's a good one.

    That's like me saying I get insulted day & night as well.
    Which I actually am, if I set foot in certain parts of Belgium. Which I also am if I choose to listen to certain groups of people.


    He is not a random idiot, Kyle. If he were a normal person, it would not attract anybody's attention, but he is one of the people that have followers in Holland. That means that his opinion is not just his own. For example, when he comes to his followers on Tv to say that "Palestine should be substituted by Jordan". Is that not stupid interferring in our own life?
    He's definitely not a random idiot.

    And yes, a lot of people agree (in part) with him. Living here, I know why a lot of people agree with some of what he is saying.


    Why is Taliban attacked then for having opposing views to the West?
    Why are Western countries being attacked for having opposing views? Man's desire to conquer the world, I guess.
     
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    ReBeL

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    Jews get about as much criticism as Muslims. And, believe it or not, both "sides" get mostly the same types of criticism.

    Insulted day & night? That's a good one.

    That's like me saying I get insulted day & night as well.
    Which I actually am, if I set foot in certain parts of Belgium. Which I also am if I choose to listen to certain groups of people.
    I did not mean insults by normal people. I meant continuous attacks by such celebrities. Do you have any name for a celebrity in Netherlands that denied holocaust in the same way publicly without being punished?

    He's definitely not a random idiot.

    And yes, a lot of people agree (in part) with him. Living here, I know why a lot of people agree with some of what he is saying.
    If he is annoyed by the behavior of the immigrants there, he can focus on this behavior, but it is not right at all to make revenge from their behavior by attacking all the Muslims in the World.

    Why are Western countries being attacked for having opposing views? Man's desire to conquer the world, I guess.
    I don't get this. If you mean that you are asking why are the Western countries attacked by people in Muslim countries, just think about Iraq occupation. Wasn't it just because of Man's desire to conquer the world?

    Bf, what population is cuasing the most trouble in Belgium and i'm not talking about religion.
    You can answer that by saying "Muslim immigrants" and somebody else can say "Gays". Do you have a neutral party that can identify who is the right one?

    In addition, as I said above, if the extremists like Wilders have a problem with the immigrants, they can criticize their specific behaviors, not insulting all Muslims in the World.
     

    Buck Fuddy

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    Bf, what population is cuasing the most trouble in Belgium and i'm not talking about religion.
    If I answer this question, I'll be considered a racist :D

    In all honesty, the latest numbers I saw concerning crime pointed towards the Arab communities. Because of various socio- economic reasons obviously.
    A, potentially, much bigger problem however is situated in the Jewish community. In terms of disregarding the law, altering educational material, avoiding every type of contact (physical or otherwise) with non- Jews, ... I actually couldn't believe most of this stuff when I was first made aware of it.


    Bucks family are.

    The Buck-Shots :p
    That's it. You offended me. One death threat coming up.
     

    chester

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    Do you think he is smart, Andy? Isn't insulting others an easy thing?
    I think he is smart in such a way that he knows what to say and in such a way that his very radical views are accepted by others.
    Do I agree with them, no, definately not with everything he says.
    Do I think we have a problem in Belgium with how the Muslims, the Eastern Europes (Poland, Czech, Albanian, ...) are "immigrated", yes, with a minoritym definately there is a problem.
    Will this make me considering voting on someone like Wilders, no, because I know he wants more radical things then what I want.
     

    Buck Fuddy

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    I did not mean insults by normal people. I meant continuous attacks by such celebrities. Do you have any name for a celebrity in Netherlands that denied holocaust in the same way publicly without being punished?
    I don't really follow Dutch politics, so I can't say. I have heard plenty of retards denying the holocaust though. If you do, you probably get laughed at, but as far as I know, there are no punishments (anymore).
    I can give you the names of various "celebrities", both Jew & Muslim, who live here and still insult or threaten my Western way of life though.


    If he is annoyed by the behavior of the immigrants there, he can focus on this behavior, but it is not right at all to make revenge from their behavior by attacking all the Muslims in the World.
    Of course. But he is a politician after all. What better way to get extra attention than by exaggerating everything?


    I don't get this. If you mean that you are asking why are the Western countries attacked by people in Muslim countries, just think about Iraq occupation. Wasn't it just because of Man's desire to conquer the world?
    Well yeah, it's always action followed by reaction, isn't it? Regardless of who "started" it or who is right or wrong.
     

    chester

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    Of course. But he is a politician after all. What better way to get extra attention than by exaggerating everything?
    I think this is one sentence Muslims must read, he is a politician, and they are constantly in a popularity contest.
    In a country were there are many Muslims, several problems with Muslims and were only recently another politician was shot down by a Muslim, it is easy to get people to join the hype, especially if you know how to bring your story.
     
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    Either you are insulted day and night or go back to your country. And even in your country if you complain about those who are attacking your beliefs, just wait for the planes to bomb you.
    Look, Christians, Jews, Buddhists and followers of other religions get insulted and mocked all the time in Western countries and they don't go out to protest and threaten with death the people who offended them.

    As far as I am concerned, the only society worth living in is one in which your most sacred and prided ideas and thoughts can get criticized. In Europe, we thought for centuries to get freedom of speech and we should not make exceptions to one or two particular groups.

    Why is Taliban attacked then for having opposing views to the West?
    Firstly, it had something to do with being an international shelter and training grounds for terrorists and secondly, they hosted Osama Bin Laden and refused to hand him other.
     
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    ReBeL

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    I think he is smart in such a way that he knows what to say and in such a way that his very radical views are accepted by others.
    Do I agree with them, no, definately not with everything he says.
    Do I think we have a problem in Belgium with how the Muslims, the Eastern Europes (Poland, Czech, Albanian, ...) are "immigrated", yes, with a minoritym definately there is a problem.
    Will this make me considering voting on someone like Wilders, no, because I know he wants more radical things then what I want.
    I think this is one sentence Muslims must read, he is a politician, and they are constantly in a popularity contest.
    In a country were there are many Muslims, several problems with Muslims and were only recently another politician was shot down by a Muslim, it is easy to get people to join the hype, especially if you know how to bring your story.
    So, he is insulting others to get votes. Right?

    Look, Christians, Jews, Buddhists and followers of other religions get insulted and mocked all the time in Western countries and they don't go out to protest and threaten with death the people who offended them.

    As far as I am concerned, the only society worth living in is one in which your most sacred and prided ideas and thoughts can get criticized. In Europe, we thought for centuries to get freedom of speech and we should not make exceptions to one or two particular groups.
    Then, let your governments and judges treat everybody in the same way. Irving was not treated in the same way this guy is being treated. No?

    Firstly, it had something to do with being an international shelter and training grounds for terrorists and secondly, they hosted Osama Bin Laden and refused to hand him other.
    So debatable.
     
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    ReBeL

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    I don't really follow Dutch politics, so I can't say. I have heard plenty of retards denying the holocaust though. If you do, you probably get laughed at, but as far as I know, there are no punishments (anymore).
    I can give you the names of various "celebrities", both Jew & Muslim, who live here and still insult or threaten my Western way of life though.
    David Irving

    I don't deny holocaust but I think it was exaggerated thousands of times to justify evil wrongdoings by Zionists later.

    Well yeah, it's always action followed by reaction, isn't it? Regardless of who "started" it or who is right or wrong.
    So, what did Iraq do to USA before occupying it? Don't tell me about the funny weapons thing please.
     

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