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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
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It is my home country, Seven. I didn't live there, but my father did. All my uncles are still there. Now after more than 40 years here abroad, we are still considered Palestinians.
Not that easy I'm afraid. What about the place where you live right now? Isn't that home too?
 
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ReBeL

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Jan 14, 2005
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    What are you trying to prove here? Wilders hates the Muslims who don't pratice the Islam ,like they should. This guy makes him sounds like the new Hitler

    'This is why this man, and others of similar feather, should be treated as potential Hitlers'

    Stop posting opinions from others and spread your own view!
    I already told you my opinion. This guy comes from his country just to tease Muslims in his country and all over the World. He should have stayed in his country if he cares about his people, and if he does not want them to get into more troubles because of his stupid opinions.
     

    icemaη

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    Because i want to hear his view, he wants to argue with me and instead of discuss Wilders he post an article from some guy who is just spreading hate the same way as Wilders does.
    He summed up his opinion of the guy by calling him an idiot. Isn't that enough? :D

    Not that easy I'm afraid. What about the place where you live right now? Isn't that home too?
    It is easy actually. It might be difficult for most westerners to grasp that, but its quite common elsewhere.
     

    Trezegol17

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    I already told you my opinion. This guy comes from his country just to tease Muslims in his country and all over the World. He should have stayed in his country if he cares about his people, and if he does not want them to get into more troubles because of his stupid opinions.
    First let me say that i don't support all of his actions. Not by far!
    So i don't want bad blood between us.
    Why should he stay in my country when he gets invited to speak about his ideas in another country? What trouble? See that's the problem here, He and my people are getting in trouble for speaking his mind? We live in a free world, In a world where we can actually say things. I know for some it's not common but it actually excist, at least in my country. Then you have some idiots who can't stand that.

    Really i wanna see the problems we are having or we are getting because of them my country is growing hatred against those people.
     

    swag

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    If you want to mix it with the Palestinian thread, go ahead, but I was asking about the general opinion of this guy, not only regarding the Middle East.
    What I don't understand is this clown even worth talking about? When Ronald Reagan was president in the U.S., for example, there were people who were handing out fliers in my home town claiming that he was a puppet of the Pope and wanted to overturn the U.S. constitution in favor of a Catholic state.

    The point of me bringing this up here is to know your sources. If Wilders were a man of any consequence in the world, then this would be relevant. As is, he's a nobody.

    I agree that if people want to talk about the issue of settlements, then the Palestinian thread is prime for that. But little of any of the conversation here seems concerned with this one-off idiot.

    As such, this just seems to be splitting the same conversation into two different threads. Unless I see any talk about Wilders himself here, I'm shutting this down to merge with the Palestinian thread.
     

    swag

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    Wow, swag, it's scary how little you know of European politics :D.
    That's entirely possible. But my general assessment about him in recent years is that the guy is a showboater from the third leading party in a non-G-20 nation. He's a bit player with an opinion that earns him a disproportionate amount of press for any of the relevance he has. And opinions, as you know (and particularly from minor players), are like ass%$les. Everyone's got one.

    As they tell you in preschool: don't encourage him, just ignore him. Otherwise we give every nut job with a minor political role the public stage they don't deserve.
     
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    ReBeL

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    First let me say that i don't support all of his actions. Not by far!
    So i don't want bad blood between us.
    Why should he stay in my country when he gets invited to speak about his ideas in another country? What trouble? See that's the problem here, He and my people are getting in trouble for speaking his mind? We live in a free world, In a world where we can actually say things. I know for some it's not common but it actually excist, at least in my country. Then you have some idiots who can't stand that.

    Really i wanna see the problems we are having or we are getting because of them my country is growing hatred against those people.
    If he was invited by Iran to insult holocaust, would you reply in the same way?
     

    Seven

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    That's entirely possible. But my general assessment about him in recent years is that the guy is a showboater from the third leading party in a non-G-20 nation. He's a bit player with an opinion that earns him a disproportionate amount of press for any of the relevance he has. And opinions, as you know (and particularly from minor players), are like ass%$les. Everyone's got one.

    As they tell you in preschool: don't encourage him, just ignore him. Otherwise we give every nut job with a minor political role the public stage they don't deserve.
    The problem with Wilders and his growing popularity is that he does make several good points. It's what's so bloody dangerous about a guy like him, he isn't completely off the mark and says what a lot of people think. If you're ignoring him, you're not solving the issues he brings to the attention and by doing that you're actually making him even more popular. Add to that that a lot of European nations have their very own Geert Wilders at this point in time and you know that's he's far from irrelevant.

    Also in European politics the "third leading party" generally does mean something.
     

    Seven

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    If he was invited by Iran to insult holocaust, would you reply in the same way?
    You're only comparing your own conflict to the Holocaust because you know it'll strike an emotional nerve with many people and make your suffering "undeniable" in their eyes. Very poor form.
     

    JCK

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    The problem with Wilders and his growing popularity is that he does make several good points. It's what's so bloody dangerous about a guy like him, he isn't completely off the mark and says what a lot of people think. If you're ignoring him, you're not solving the issues he brings to the attention and by doing that you're actually making him even more popular. Add to that that a lot of European nations have their very own Geert Wilders at this point in time and you know that's he's far from irrelevant.

    Also in European politics the "third leading party" generally does mean something.
    I totally agree with that and they are gaining popularity extremely fast.
     
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    ReBeL

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    You're only comparing your own conflict to the Holocaust because you know it'll strike an emotional nerve with many people and make your suffering "undeniable" in their eyes. Very poor form.
    I'm showing the double standards used there. If a guy in Iran says that holocaust did not happen, the whole public Western opinion would say that he is stupid. But when an idiot from Netherlands ignores the whole Palestinian suffering, he is said to have his own opinion that should be respected by everybody.
     

    Seven

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    I'm showing the double standards used there. If a guy in Iran says that holocaust did not happen, the whole public Western opinion would say that he is stupid. But when an idiot from Netherlands ignores the whole Palestinian suffering, he is said to have his own opinion that should be respected by everybody.
    They're not double standards as both issues are not on the same level. You want to put them on the same level, because that way we are all forced to sympathise with the Palestinians. And whilst I do think we should sympathise, it's just not that easy. It's sort of different when millions of people are slaughtered in concentration camps. Sure, the living conditions of the Palestinians are abysmal, but they aren't gassed to death on a daily basis.

    I'm not saying that I agree with Wilders, I don't. But what you're trying to do here isn't fair.
     

    JuveJay

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    I totally agree with that and they are gaining popularity extremely fast.
    Yes, even morons like the BNP make some 'good points', but the reality is that they are fascists and racists who want second, third and beyond generations to return to their motherland.
     

    Seven

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    Yes, but it becomes tricky when you don't acknowledge that they do make some good points. If you dismiss them by saying they're morons and don't care about the real issues, these people will infect everyone.
     

    swag

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    I'm showing the double standards used there. If a guy in Iran says that holocaust did not happen, the whole public Western opinion would say that he is stupid. But when an idiot from Netherlands ignores the whole Palestinian suffering, he is said to have his own opinion that should be respected by everybody.
    Maybe not the same level, but I still think he's stupid -- but also a clever political opportunist. Worked for Strom Thurmond.
     
    Jul 2, 2006
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    They're not double standards as both issues are not on the same level. You want to put them on the same level, because that way we are all forced to sympathise with the Palestinians. And whilst I do think we should sympathise, it's just not that easy. It's sort of different when millions of people are slaughtered in concentration camps. Sure, the living conditions of the Palestinians are abysmal, but they aren't gassed to death on a daily basis.

    I'm not saying that I agree with Wilders, I don't. But what you're trying to do here isn't fair.
    If Israeli had opportunity to do it they would not hesitate. Should we only sympathise after everything happened?
     

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