Gay High School (23 Viewers)

[Bjerknes]

I don't think malnutrition can cause AIDS, Andy. As HIV is a virus I would be very surprised if it could. I'm also not quite sure on the forms of medication and TBH it sounds like a doctor trying to cover up his mistake.

It all has to do with various cells that are destroyed at certain time frames. I'm not an expert, but malnutrition may be one of the factors in causing HIV. Not sure, my dad is the molecular biologist not me.

 

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[Azzurri7]

many animals have gay sex, did they watch queer eye for straight guy? plus why are you smarter than majority of western medical doctors?

Western medical doctors are overrated.

 

[Osman]

I know it spreads... The use of words made no difference to the point I was making.

I know what you meant yes, but in this case its important to be pedantic (vital distinction). Because Fred might take your word for it and think its caused by sex. When its not, it just spread through sex, by someone who already had syphillis, and then the chain reaction goes from there.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

Western medical doctors are overrated.

yeah, only because they increased life spans by 2-3 time, who do they think they are

 

[rounder]

Yeah, but don't you think that the environment brainwashed them, both the ones who practiced pederasty in Athens and those homophobes in the middle ages who lived in a place where homosexuality was repressed by the church ?
The first ones thought it's normal while the second ones thought it's the act of the devil.

Because there are many examples where some Athenian aristocrat didn't want to have a sexual relation with a boy, just like there are many examples of homosexuality in the middle ages, even though it was outlawed by the church and it could get you masacred.

That's a very good point. The enviroment probably did brainwash them. It's of human nature to rebel against laws and practice what is forbidden. It is unsurprising that the people then were having homosexual sex in spite of the church. Perhaps had the church not been so strict in forbidding homosexuality, it wouldn't have spread so widely.

This brings us to my point that homosexuality is unnatural, it was caused by the enviroment by one way or another.

 

[.zero]

Western medical doctors are overrated.

just like western gays

 

[Osman]

Well, to define normal. Heterosexual intercourse results in the formation of babies. The male's penis was "normally" meant to enter the woman's vagina. This practice is one that makes sense. It is the very reason of our existence, if our ancestors were gay, we wouldn't be born. Homosexuality is not normal because it is pointless. It is a mere perverted and twisted practice invented by man to satisfy certain needs. Heterosexuality is purely natural, it is pure instict to mate with the opposite sex. It simply makes sense, it is "right".

I agree with the bold

But maybe you can help me out here, I just want to know the mad mad genius who managed to communicate with all animals, brought them into this elaborate conspiracy and persuaded them to engage in man invented practice

Can only be that clever fucker Rasputin, who brought him back from the dead!

Homosexual, as well as bisexual, behavior is widespread in the animal kingdom. Animal sexual behavior takes many different forms, even within the same species and the motivations for and implications of their behaviors have yet to be fully understood as most species have yet to be studied.[3] A 1999 review by researcher Bruce Bagemihl shows that homosexual behavior, not necessarily sex, has been observed in close to 1500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, and is well documented for 500 of them.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

i do feel sorry for the guy who documented it well

 

[Bjerknes]

This brings us to my point that homosexuality is unnatural, it was caused by the enviroment by one way or another.

No, you don't have a point. Animals are not "forced" to partake in homosexual acts. It just happens because it is natural.

 

[rounder]

yeah, only because they increased life spans by 2-3 time, who do they think they are

I'm sorry, I never knew animals have gay sex. I don't know why I should anyway. I'm obviously not as informed as professional western doctors on this matter, I'm just stating what I think is reasonable. It was clearly just an opinion, not a fact. I would rather believe my reasoning than that of a doctor because as Rab said before, western doctors are overrated!

 

[rounder]

No, you don't have a point. Animals are not "forced" to partake in homosexual acts. It just happens because it is natural.

Admittedly, I didn't know we have gay animals. I just learnt that 2 mins ago. In that case, these animals must have been influenced by the gay porn they see on t.v.

 

[rounder]

I agree with the bold

But maybe you can help me out here, I just want to know the mad mad genius who managed to communicate with all animals, brought them into this elaborate conspiracy and persuaded them to engage in man invented practice

Can only be that clever fucker Rasputin, who brought him back from the dead!

Dr,.Dolittle you fool.

 

[Alen]

Yeah, but don't you think that the environment brainwashed them, both the ones who practiced pederasty in Athens and those homophobes in the middle ages who lived in a place where homosexuality was repressed by the church ?
The first ones thought it's normal while the second ones thought it's the act of the devil.

Because there are many examples where some Athenian aristocrat didn't want to have a sexual relation with a boy, just like there are many examples of homosexuality in the middle ages, even though it was outlawed by the church and it could get you masacred.

Rev, just to add more why i disagree that it's mostly the environmental effect that makes people gay. (even though, it obviously did make people have sex with other men).

There are letters of monks from ~1000 years ago where they write about their love (not love as a friend) for other men and how they enjoyed the last time they slept with another man.
We're talking about the dark middle ages and about gay monks here !!

What made these people gay ? Certainly not the environment.
These guys were pressured to marry (they didn't want to marry...wonder why ? ) so they escaped from their villages/cities and they went to the monasteries where they met other homosexuals. The monasteries were the homosexual networks of the time.

This excludes the environmental effect and it tells us that even in a village where everyone else was hetero, there was a guy who didn't like women and had his mini-me hard on men.
He was taught since forever how he should marry a nice woman, have children etc but still there was something much stronger than the things he learned from his father and from the priest that made him run away and look for a male partner.
How do you cure this, Fred ?

 

[Dinsdale]

Well, to define normal. Heterosexual intercourse results in the formation of babies. The male's penis was "normally" meant to enter the woman's vagina. This practice is one that makes sense. It is the very reason of our existence, if our ancestors were gay, we wouldn't be born. Homosexuality is not normal because it is pointless. It is a mere perverted and twisted practice invented by man to satisfy certain needs. Heterosexuality is purely natural, it is pure instict to mate with the opposite sex. It simply makes sense, it is "right".

You didn't define what you think the words normal/abnormal and wright/wrong mean. You just repeated that you think homosexuality is wrong. If you really tried to define those words, you might come to the insight that your adversity towards homosexuality is merely emotionally based, and not rationally whatsoever.

I wrote my thesis on this and in this case, it really does matter which words you use.

I know what you meant yes, but in this case its important to be pedantic (vital distinction). Because Fred might take your word for it and think its caused by sex. When its not, it just spread through sex, by someone who already had syphillis, and then the chain reaction goes from there.

I never said sex causes AIDS, I said sex can cause AIDS. By 'can' I meant that certain conditions have to be fulfilled. This is just a linguistic misunderstanding, not a scientific one.

 

[rounder]

Rev, just to add more why i disagree that it's mostly the environmental effect that makes people gay. (even though, it obviously did make people have sex with other men).

There are letters of monks from ~1000 years ago where they write about their love (not love as a friend) for other men and how they enjoyed the last time they slept with another man.
We're talking about the dark middle ages and about gay monks here !!

What made these people gay ? Certainly not the environment.
These guys were pressured to marry (they didn't want to marry...wonder why ? ) so they escaped from their villages/cities and they went to the monasteries where they met other homosexuals. The monasteries were the homosexual networks of the time.

This excludes the environmental effect and it tells us that even in a village where everyone else was hetero, there was a guy who didn't like women and had his mini-me hard on men.
He was taught since forever how he should marry a nice woman, have children etc but still there was something much stronger than the things he learned from his father and from the priest that made him run away and look for a male partner.
How do you cure this, Fred ?

Interesting.

I still don't like gay people. :sick:

 

[Osman]

I'm sorry, I never knew animals have gay sex. I don't know why I should anyway. I'm obviously not as informed as professional western doctors on this matter, I'm just stating what I think is reasonable. It was clearly just an opinion, not a fact. I would rather believe my reasoning than that of a doctor because as Rab said before, western doctors are overrated!

Somehow what your little brain just reacted like when faced with substantiated biological facts reminds me of something Andy posted in the US politics thread:

Political scientists Brendan Nyhan and Jason Reifler provided two groups of volunteers with the Bush administration's prewar claims that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. One group was given a refutation -- the comprehensive 2004 Duelfer report that concluded that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction before the United States invaded in 2003. Thirty-four percent of conservatives told only about the Bush administration's claims thought Iraq had hidden or destroyed its weapons before the U.S. invasion, but 64 percent of conservatives who heard both claim and refutation thought that Iraq really did have the weapons. The refutation, in other words, made the misinformation worse.

A similar "backfire effect" also influenced conservatives told about Bush administration assertions that tax cuts increase federal revenue. One group was offered a refutation by prominent economists that included current and former Bush administration officials. About 35 percent of conservatives told about the Bush claim believed it; 67 percent of those provided with both assertion and refutation believed that tax cuts increase revenue.

Italics mine. Nyhan and Reifler found this "backfire" effect only among conservatives. Refutations had little effect on liberals, but it didn't cause them to actively believe the misleading information even more strongly.

You prolly think these people in this test are total retards because its a subject you dont care enough to be biased about, hence can see the retardation. But its amazing that your brain just functioned as loose wired as theirs when it came to this little topic

 

[Osman]

I never said sex causes AIDS, I said sex can cause AIDS. By 'can' I meant that certain conditions have to be fulfilled. This is just a linguistic misunderstanding, not a scientific one.

Indeed I know that, and know what you meant, just want to be clear because your use of words may give others the wrong idea.

 

[Bjerknes]

Ahh, I love that article, Osman.

 

[Martin]

Ah, for crying out loud what a bunch of pansies. Harassment is a part of growing up and sooner the gay folks make peace with that, the sooner they'll be accepted in society. They can't segragate themselves from everything just because someone shouts "you fag" at him in public. Boohoo.

Kids, especialy teens, will always find something to harass one another, it's part of the process. We, from the dreadful balkans, might come of as racist, homophobic or what not, to the western world, because of isolated incidents that are blown up out of proportion every time they happen, but fuck me if we're not actually more tolerant than western societies.

If someone is short, he's teased shorty, pigmee, dwarfy, whatever, if someone is darker tanned, he's called a gipsy, if someone has a Serb father, he's called a Serb or a chetnick if you're really not fond of him and if someone talks like a girl, he's called homo or fag. What's fucking wrong with that? You turn your head and look the other way, or if you can you throw something back. One things for sure, in time, you learn to live with it and so does everyone else. I had 2 Serbian kids(one was a good friend) back in my school, in my class, who were constantly picked on, slapped and harrassed, day after day. Did they wanna go to their own school and isolate themselves from the rest of the world? No, they lived with it and after one day a Serb kid kicked an ass of a much bigger Croat, the slapping stopped. Provocation is always gonna be there, no matter who or what you are, you don't go crying about it every time, you live with it.

But when it comes to the homosexual community, everything is a huge freaking deal and they gotta have their own football leauge, their own music bands, whatnot, now it's their own schools. Way to go, to be accepted in society. What do you think if that school is opened, that they're gonna be safe? Fuck no, they'll just put a huge target on their backs and make matters worse.

Now, I consider myself not to be a homophobe, which most probably won't believe after this, but who cares, but I'm really sick and tired of this constant drama. People harrass each other from childhood till they're adults, that's how it is.

End of rant.

You don't mind if I disagree with you yet again, do you? We'll hug it out later :wink:

Your rationale is that of a guy who says "heck, my father used to beat me up when I was out of line, and I turned out okay, so I don't see anything wrong with it". Well, there is. Being picked on in school is psychological abuse. And there is a difference between being called names a few times and consistent directed attacks that abuse victims get.

When people grow up to be adults do we consider name calling acceptable behavior? No. So why should it be acceptable for 10 year olds? Despite your claim that this is normal and everyone gets it, there are people who are scarred by this kind of abuse. And I don't mean scarred like a Hollywood movie about a Vietnam vet, but nevertheless they suffer the long term psychological consequences of growing up in an environment like this. Not to mention the fact that school we all seem to agree is a pretty damn critical phase of a person's life because it determines your future. So a kid being picked on in school and starts developing an anxiety about going to school is potentially detrimental.

Now it may be that in your Balkans everyone is so robust and used to taking abuse from everyone else that it's inconsequential. But I guarantee you that even there you have people who aren't as strong as others and they will suffer. What's more, it's the weakest that are bound to get the worst abuse as always.

Harassment in school is actually an interesting topic, cause it's so universal. It doesn't matter what the country, the social class, anything. And we don't have a clue what to do about it, the issue has been voiced a lot in Norway the past decade and they haven't accomplished anything cause noone knows how to fix it.

 

[JCK]

Ahh, I love that article, Osman.

Osman är en riktigt blatte