Gay Adoption (4 Viewers)

AndreaCristiano

Nato, Vive, e muore Italiano
Jun 9, 2011
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Naw. You answered me. The counterpoint is that a lot of cultural institutions mock gays. I know a lot of gays who feel a lot of anger and hurt by culturally accepted institutions that will claim they are their own personal undoing of sin and evil. Meanwhile, many gays feel that their attraction to men (or women to women) is no more their "choice" than the fact that they like chocolate instead of vanilla ice cream.

But understand that even I can't say "hello" to Andy these days without him wishing a thousand deaths upon my pathetic old man existence. :heart:

I will relay a story.
My gay friend Zane was walking the streets of New York and walked past a church group passing out bibles, he went to take one and the women snatched the bible back saying, "You do not need this your going to burn in Hell anyway queer" so he walked away hurt and saddened. When he saw me next he relayed the story to me, I in turn hugged him and told him Jesus not only loves him but that lady will be judged upon her death. I then proceeded to give him a bible which he has to this day.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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I will relay a story.
My gay friend Zane was walking the streets of New York and walked past a church group passing out bibles, he went to take one and the women snatched the bible back saying, "You do not need this your going to burn in Hell anyway queer" so he walked away hurt and saddened. When he saw me next he relayed the story to me, I in turn hugged him and told him Jesus not only loves him but that lady will be judged upon her death. I then proceeded to give him a bible which he has to this day.
Which is proof that there's more than one way to approach a person or situation. There are a lot of gays who want to take the Malcolm X approach, which is more in the "rub it in their faces" category of pushing for gay marriage legalization everywhere, making a huge stink about things like demonstrations and public displays of affection, etc. But there are others, and some of the same, who simply just want to be accepted for who they are and have everyone move on.
 

IrishZebra

Western Imperialist
Jun 18, 2006
23,327
I will relay a story.
My gay friend Zane was walking the streets of New York and walked past a church group passing out bibles, he went to take one and the women snatched the bible back saying, "You do not need this your going to burn in Hell anyway queer" so he walked away hurt and saddened. When he saw me next he relayed the story to me, I in turn hugged him and told him Jesus not only loves him but that lady will be judged upon her death. I then proceeded to give him a bible which he has to this day.
Is this your friend?

 

AndreaCristiano

Nato, Vive, e muore Italiano
Jun 9, 2011
19,463
Which is proof that there's more than one way to approach a person or situation. There are a lot of gays who want to take the Malcolm X approach, which is more in the "rub it in their faces" category of pushing for gay marriage legalization everywhere, making a huge stink about things like demonstrations and public displays of affection, etc. But there are others, and some of the same, who simply just want to be accepted for who they are and have everyone move on.
this i know, I believe incorrect zealotry ruins the discourse on either side
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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Duh.



It's not entirely in what he said, it's in how he phrased it that let it off the hook for me. Yeah, he's cluelessly trying to turn this thread into one about religion, which it is not really. And Andy gets childish a lot. But I let that post off the hook (not that I wasn't tempted) because it was phrased not as a statement nor as something he believed in, but more as an inflammatory point by example.

Andy's post makes the point that people who think it perfectly fine to condemn gays because it's approved by their belief systems would look very different if, say, said belief systems made equally outrageous claims about certain religions or believers. People who follow belief systems without acknowledging how hateful or hurtful those belief systems can sometimes be is a key point of his message. Because if you turn it around on, say, a religion like Islam or Christianity, suddenly those same people would feel bent out of shape.

I'm not happy with it at all, but I still felt it was relevant. You can argue that he could try to make the same points with less inflammatory counter-examples, like saying, "I believe Jesus was a con artist who used religion like David Koresh did," but IMO it would significantly dilute the inflammatory point of the post he was trying to make. Because, for example, a church-sponsored belief system to suggest that being gay was synonymous with evil and the devil can be just as offensive to a gay person as suggesting to a religious follower that a famous religious prophet had homosexual relations with men.
Well said. Plus, Andy's post not only made a point, it was also pretty damn funny.

I really don't see the basis for a ban/infraction for insulting religions anyways, and it's also different from racism and insulting faggots because they didn't have a choice. Religion, technically is one. It would be the same thing as insulting vegetarians.
 

AndreaCristiano

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Jun 9, 2011
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Well said. Plus, Andy's post not only made a point, it was also pretty damn funny.

I really don't see the basis for a ban/infraction for insulting religions anyways, and it's also different from racism and insulting faggots because they didn't have a choice. Religion, technically is one. It would be the same thing as insulting vegetarians.
thats pretty ignorant statement sir
 
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Sheik Yerbouti
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    Well said. Plus, Andy's post not only made a point, it was also pretty damn funny.

    I really don't see the basis for a ban/infraction for insulting religions anyways, and it's also different from racism and insulting faggots because they didn't have a choice. Religion, technically is one. It would be the same thing as insulting vegetarians.
    But you need to keep in mind that you always, ALWAYS target the religion and not the religious people.
     

    Fred

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    Oct 2, 2003
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    Duh.



    It's not entirely in what he said, it's in how he phrased it that let it off the hook for me. Yeah, he's cluelessly trying to turn this thread into one about religion, which it is not really. And Andy gets childish a lot. But I let that post off the hook (not that I wasn't tempted) because it was phrased not as a statement nor as something he believed in, but more as an inflammatory point by example.

    Andy's post makes the point that people who think it perfectly fine to condemn gays because it's approved by their belief systems would look very different if, say, said belief systems made equally outrageous claims about certain religions or believers. People who follow belief systems without acknowledging how hateful or hurtful those belief systems can sometimes be is a key point of his message. Because if you turn it around on, say, a religion like Islam or Christianity, suddenly those same people would feel bent out of shape.

    I'm not happy with it at all, but I still felt it was relevant. You can argue that he could try to make the same points with less inflammatory counter-examples, like saying, "I believe Jesus was a con artist who used religion like David Koresh did," but IMO it would significantly dilute the inflammatory point of the post he was trying to make. Because, for example, a church-sponsored belief system to suggest that being gay was synonymous with evil and the devil can be just as offensive to a gay person as suggesting to a religious follower that a famous religious prophet had homosexual relations with men.
    Bullshit. It was provocation and nothing else, don't try and convince us he's trying to make a point. Thats what Andy does, when someone opposes his opinion he hurls insults. But its all good, i'll surely bookmark this post for future reference, so that the next time i feel like making my point in an extremely offensive way, i can dig this up again to make sure it goes unpunished.
     

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