Gay Adoption (4 Viewers)
- Thread starter Sheik Yerbouti
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Duh.
It's not entirely in what he said, it's in how he phrased it that let it off the hook for me. Yeah, he's cluelessly trying to turn this thread into one about religion, which it is not really. And Andy gets childish a lot. But I let that post off the hook (not that I wasn't tempted) because it was phrased not as a statement nor as something he believed in, but more as an inflammatory point by example.
Andy's post makes the point that people who think it perfectly fine to condemn gays because it's approved by their belief systems would look very different if, say, said belief systems made equally outrageous claims about certain religions or believers. People who follow belief systems without acknowledging how hateful or hurtful those belief systems can sometimes be is a key point of his message. Because if you turn it around on, say, a religion like Islam or Christianity, suddenly those same people would feel bent out of shape.
I'm not happy with it at all, but I still felt it was relevant. You can argue that he could try to make the same points with less inflammatory counter-examples, like saying, "I believe Jesus was a con artist who used religion like David Koresh did," but IMO it would significantly dilute the inflammatory point of the post he was trying to make. Because, for example, a church-sponsored belief system to suggest that being gay was synonymous with evil and the devil can be just as offensive to a gay person as suggesting to a religious follower that a famous religious prophet had homosexual relations with men.
It's not entirely in what he said, it's in how he phrased it that let it off the hook for me. Yeah, he's cluelessly trying to turn this thread into one about religion, which it is not really. And Andy gets childish a lot. But I let that post off the hook (not that I wasn't tempted) because it was phrased not as a statement nor as something he believed in, but more as an inflammatory point by example.
Andy's post makes the point that people who think it perfectly fine to condemn gays because it's approved by their belief systems would look very different if, say, said belief systems made equally outrageous claims about certain religions or believers. People who follow belief systems without acknowledging how hateful or hurtful those belief systems can sometimes be is a key point of his message. Because if you turn it around on, say, a religion like Islam or Christianity, suddenly those same people would feel bent out of shape.
I'm not happy with it at all, but I still felt it was relevant. You can argue that he could try to make the same points with less inflammatory counter-examples, like saying, "I believe Jesus was a con artist who used religion like David Koresh did," but IMO it would significantly dilute the inflammatory point of the post he was trying to make. Because, for example, a church-sponsored belief system to suggest that being gay was synonymous with evil and the devil can be just as offensive to a gay person as suggesting to a religious follower that a famous religious prophet had homosexual relations with men.
