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Compared to straight men, gay men are more likely to be left-handed, to be the younger siblings of older brothers, and to have hair that whorls in a counterclockwise direction. (These are assumptions and not facts. Are more likely to be this and that)
That article introduction is to highlight that these assumptions are proven wrong
US researchers are finding (This line itself can't be bought. US researchers? Seriously? What next, Group of Barcelona scouters finding Messi to be the real Jesus? No names, no info's nothing) common biological traits among gay men, feeding a growing consensus that sexual orientation is an inborn combination of genetic and environmental factors (So now it's a combination that also includes environmental factors?
I'm not sure the writer of this article knows what he's writing or knows his real source). that largely decide a person's sexual attractions before they are born.
Some of the names of the researchers are quoted later on in the article and if you ask for the sources you would get them. As for the combination, if you understood properly what I was saying I wasn't opposing that idea.
Christian groups such as Exodus International argue "that homosexuals who desire to change can do so". One prominent psychiatrist, Dr Robert Spitzer of Columbia University, found controversial evidence that therapy can cause some gay people to change to a heterosexual orientation, although the study concluded that a "complete change" was uncommon. No comment. Controversial at it's best.
What is controversial in that statement is the evidence of therapy that changes homosexuals to heterosexuals.
While sexual behaviour may be chosen, the preponderance of researchers say attraction is dictated by biology, with no demonstrated contribution from social factors such as parenting or other factors after birth.
A host of studies since the mid-1990s have found common biological traits between gay men, including left-handedness and the direction of hair whorls. The likelihood that if one identical twin is gay, the other will be also be gay is much higher than the "concordance" of homosexuality between fraternal twins, indicating that genes play a role in sexual orientation, but are not the entire cause.
"In the past decade, I think the pendulum has swung more toward biological theory and biological causes," said Richard Lippa, a psychology professor at California State University-Fullerton, who has studied hair patterns and other biological traits in gay men.
Sven Bocklandt, a geneticist at the David Geffen school of medicine at UCLA, is bewildered by the argument that people choose their sexual attraction. He said that virtually every animal species that has been studied - from sheep to fruit flies - has a small minority of individuals who demonstrate homosexual activity.
"I really believe the reason most humans are straight is the same reason that most crocodiles are straight, and the same reason most whales are straight," Bocklandt said. "Nature would not leave something so important for reproduction, for the survival of the species, to coincidence." Here it says that most are straight not that all must be straight, I don't see any controversy
Long discredited are theories that parenting - one mid-20th century theory held that boys raised by a domineering mother with a distant father were more likely to be gay - has anything to do with sexual orientation. Thank you for highlighting this statement
Evidence of that, said Michael Bailey, a professor of psychology at Northwestern University in Illinois, comes from studies of genetically male infants born with malformed or ambiguous genitals. In many such cases, surgeons would construct a vagina, and instruct parents to raise the child as a girl, with no knowledge of his medical history.
As adults, those prenatally male/postnatally female people were virtually all attracted to women, Bailey said.
"If you can't make a male attracted to other males by cutting off his penis, castrating him and rearing him as a girl, then how likely is any social explanation of male homosexuality?" he said.
Researchers are eagerly awaiting a DNA study of male siblings with at least one gay brother by Bailey and other scientists at Northwestern University due in early 2009, because it may shed light on the role genetics plays in sexual attraction. Nothing in concrete, it's all under study and nothing is proved.
By researching 800 sets of brothers, by far the largest study of its type, the Northwestern study is searching for the specific genes that influence some brothers to be gay and others to be heterosexual.
Women may have more fluidity of sexual expression than men, but that doesn't mean they don't have a specific sexual orientation, said Lisa Diamond, a professor of psychology and gender studies at the University of Utah who studies female sexual orientation.
One explanation is that women's sexual behaviour is driven more by relationships. Here again it is not definite
For some women, "your sexual orientation does not provide the last word on the sorts of behaviours and identities you might experience in your lifetime," Diamond said.
"Some lesbian women are predominantly attracted to women, but some of them have found themselves becoming incredibly close to their best male friends, sometimes having sex with them. It does not make them straight. It's not, since you had a one-night stand with your male friend, that you can choose to become straight."
Here's the article of your link
Compared to straight men, gay men are more likely to be left-handed, to be the younger siblings of older brothers, and to have hair that whorls in a counterclockwise direction. (These are assumptions and not facts. Are more likely to be this and that)
That article introduction is to highlight that these assumptions are proven wrong
US researchers are finding (This line itself can't be bought. US researchers? Seriously? What next, Group of Barcelona scouters finding Messi to be the real Jesus? No names, no info's nothing) common biological traits among gay men, feeding a growing consensus that sexual orientation is an inborn combination of genetic and environmental factors (So now it's a combination that also includes environmental factors?
I'm not sure the writer of this article knows what he's writing or knows his real source). that largely decide a person's sexual attractions before they are born.Some of the names of the researchers are quoted later on in the article and if you ask for the sources you would get them. As for the combination, if you understood properly what I was saying I wasn't opposing that idea.
Christian groups such as Exodus International argue "that homosexuals who desire to change can do so". One prominent psychiatrist, Dr Robert Spitzer of Columbia University, found controversial evidence that therapy can cause some gay people to change to a heterosexual orientation, although the study concluded that a "complete change" was uncommon. No comment. Controversial at it's best.
What is controversial in that statement is the evidence of therapy that changes homosexuals to heterosexuals.
While sexual behaviour may be chosen, the preponderance of researchers say attraction is dictated by biology, with no demonstrated contribution from social factors such as parenting or other factors after birth.
A host of studies since the mid-1990s have found common biological traits between gay men, including left-handedness and the direction of hair whorls. The likelihood that if one identical twin is gay, the other will be also be gay is much higher than the "concordance" of homosexuality between fraternal twins, indicating that genes play a role in sexual orientation, but are not the entire cause.
"In the past decade, I think the pendulum has swung more toward biological theory and biological causes," said Richard Lippa, a psychology professor at California State University-Fullerton, who has studied hair patterns and other biological traits in gay men.
Sven Bocklandt, a geneticist at the David Geffen school of medicine at UCLA, is bewildered by the argument that people choose their sexual attraction. He said that virtually every animal species that has been studied - from sheep to fruit flies - has a small minority of individuals who demonstrate homosexual activity.
"I really believe the reason most humans are straight is the same reason that most crocodiles are straight, and the same reason most whales are straight," Bocklandt said. "Nature would not leave something so important for reproduction, for the survival of the species, to coincidence." Here it says that most are straight not that all must be straight, I don't see any controversy
Long discredited are theories that parenting - one mid-20th century theory held that boys raised by a domineering mother with a distant father were more likely to be gay - has anything to do with sexual orientation. Thank you for highlighting this statement
Evidence of that, said Michael Bailey, a professor of psychology at Northwestern University in Illinois, comes from studies of genetically male infants born with malformed or ambiguous genitals. In many such cases, surgeons would construct a vagina, and instruct parents to raise the child as a girl, with no knowledge of his medical history.
As adults, those prenatally male/postnatally female people were virtually all attracted to women, Bailey said.
"If you can't make a male attracted to other males by cutting off his penis, castrating him and rearing him as a girl, then how likely is any social explanation of male homosexuality?" he said.
Researchers are eagerly awaiting a DNA study of male siblings with at least one gay brother by Bailey and other scientists at Northwestern University due in early 2009, because it may shed light on the role genetics plays in sexual attraction. Nothing in concrete, it's all under study and nothing is proved.
By researching 800 sets of brothers, by far the largest study of its type, the Northwestern study is searching for the specific genes that influence some brothers to be gay and others to be heterosexual.
Women may have more fluidity of sexual expression than men, but that doesn't mean they don't have a specific sexual orientation, said Lisa Diamond, a professor of psychology and gender studies at the University of Utah who studies female sexual orientation.
One explanation is that women's sexual behaviour is driven more by relationships. Here again it is not definite
For some women, "your sexual orientation does not provide the last word on the sorts of behaviours and identities you might experience in your lifetime," Diamond said.
"Some lesbian women are predominantly attracted to women, but some of them have found themselves becoming incredibly close to their best male friends, sometimes having sex with them. It does not make them straight. It's not, since you had a one-night stand with your male friend, that you can choose to become straight."
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I find it hilarious TBH.
No problem, I can give you 10 other links if you want not on free republic's roads.
Very intelligent way to run away, Z.
Your source which is your belief and the way you see and analyze things are more accurate than the Times or the likes I assume.
Thank you. Facts are there's no proof yet of babies having homosexuals genes.
No problem, I can give you 10 other links if you want not on free republic's roads.
Very intelligent way to run away, Z.
Your source which is your belief and the way you see and analyze things are more accurate than the Times or the likes I assume.
Thank you. Facts are there's no proof yet of babies having homosexuals genes.
But we still don't have facts Jack. Therefore, one cannot say babies are born homosexuals genetically until it is proven. It is what you want to believe that they are genetically homosexuals but no facts.
Example: X needs an evidence of God's existence to believe in him. Y believes God exists without the need of any proof or evidence. It's a belief. You and others believe babies are genetically homosexuals but yet we have no evidence.
Example: X needs an evidence of God's existence to believe in him. Y believes God exists without the need of any proof or evidence. It's a belief. You and others believe babies are genetically homosexuals but yet we have no evidence.
You do realise sexuality is not black and white? I am not sure what this proves? That someone says they are a lesbian but enjoy the company of a man sometimes? Where as someone else may be repulsed by the opposite sex?
I am yet to to see an argument that specifies what sort of environment turns people gay, at least an up to date one.
Secondly how does this prove that same sex couples should not adopt?
You do realise sexuality is not black and white? I am not sure what this proves? That someone says they are a lesbian but enjoy the company of a man sometimes? Where as someone else may be repulsed by the opposite sex?
I am yet to to see an argument that specifies what sort of environment turns people gay, at least an up to date one.
Secondly how does this prove that same sex couples should not adopt?